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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On April 28 2014 03:20 absinthfee wrote: Ursa is really strong in low level pubs, not so much in competitive games. You clearly haven't seen Mushi's Ursa at TI3. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
I saw mushi pick ursa at mlg and dk had to make a press release saying "no really, we super weren't trying to throw the game." And no one belived them. | ||
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linkhimura
Argentina231 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
Lich frost armor on building could be a game changer IMO | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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ScarPe
Germany392 Posts
On April 28 2014 04:47 Yurie wrote: Mask of Madness. Movement and attack speed, better than Vladimir (for Ursa) for the same price. I at least think that will be a common item since it allows faster jungling/ancient/rosh while giving you limited chase ability. MoM?? cant you guys think out of the box? i say you stay with vladmirs and then transition into desolator. the amout of dmg will be insane. mom makes him too squishy. you cant take MoM as a sole item anyways, as you have to pair it with bkb in a serious game. so its theoretically no 2k item, its 5,6k. On April 28 2014 15:48 Aelfric wrote: I see offlane lich becoming really viable after this. Deny xp and staying in the lane is not extremely hard with spams. Maybe can even rush aghs. so you are blind. lich offlane has a very big flaw in this current meta. this also comes from his creepdenying. if there is a lich solo offlane. he might get exp via creep denyal, but this is also his downfall, because the enemys will just push. he cant do shit against prople that just push his tower, which is even easier because he helps you to push with sacrifice. also: have you ever seen lich ulti bounce more that 2 times in a competetive game? no you didnt. thats why is dosent matter how many bounced this ultimate can have at maximum. just to make sure this is also mentioned: +8/9 amor on the tower will not do anything against this fact. it will only slow them down by 1 creepwave. maxbe 2. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On April 28 2014 16:29 ScarPe wrote: MoM?? cant you guys think out of the box? i say you stay with vladmirs and then transition into desolator. the amout of dmg will be insane. mom makes him too squishy. you cant take MoM as a sole item anyways, as you have to pair it with bkb in a serious game. so its theoretically no 2k item, its 5,6k. so you are blind. lich offlane has a very big flaw in this current meta. this also comes from his creepdenying. if there is a lich solo offlane. he might get exp via creep denyal, but this is also his downfall, because the enemys will just push. he cant do shit against prople that just push his tower, which is even easier because he helps you to push with sacrifice. also: have you ever seen lich ulti bounce more that 2 times in a competetive game? no you didnt. thats why is dosent matter how many bounced this ultimate can have at maximum. Why would you have to call him blind just because of that? Lich already IS a fine offlaner and will continue to be post patch too. And while its true he might be weak against pushes, that goes for lots of popular offlaners. His problem is rather that he doesnt have enough impact to be worth a #3 position slot. Sacrifice doesnt do anything past laning (which also complicates his skill build since you want sacrifice for lane dominance but past laning you want all pts to be spent into Q/W). Frost armor is nice and all but doesnt win fights. Rest is just damage, with the ult being quite unreliable. But no stun and no other team utility. All in all theres a lot better #3 positions for your team, but if you solely look at what he can accomplish in the offlane first say 10min of a game hes better than a lot of curent offlaners. But thats also when his strength falls off. Hes a lane winner and not much beyond that. I do agree the aghs buff is a bit silly though. That wont change anything. If you could make it bounce 10 times it already was an amazing ulti. But yea, it will very rarely bounce 10 times on important targets, let alone >10. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10697 Posts
Lich + Treant… Lich + Faceless Void… Lich + Tide... Lich + Warlock… On its own it is a pretty weak ultimate but when comboed with some big ae-stun/slow it becomes really scary. As soon as these other heroes come back in fashion, Lich will look more viable too. It is a bit like Witchdocs stun… In many situations you would trade it for any other stun, but in the right situation it is the best stun in the game ^^. I doubt that the Aghs buff will do much for Lich, getting the full amount of bounces is like getting a perfect 5 man blackhole or RP… If it happens you probably just won the game right there (and your opponents screwed up big time) ^^. | ||
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
On April 28 2014 16:29 ScarPe wrote: MoM?? cant you guys think out of the box? i say you stay with vladmirs and then transition into desolator. the amout of dmg will be insane. mom makes him too squishy. you cant take MoM as a sole item anyways, as you have to pair it with bkb in a serious game. so its theoretically no 2k item, its 5,6k. so you are blind. lich offlane has a very big flaw in this current meta. this also comes from his creepdenying. if there is a lich solo offlane. he might get exp via creep denyal, but this is also his downfall, because the enemys will just push. he cant do shit against prople that just push his tower, which is even easier because he helps you to push with sacrifice. also: have you ever seen lich ulti bounce more that 2 times in a competetive game? no you didnt. thats why is dosent matter how many bounced this ultimate can have at maximum. just to make sure this is also mentioned: +8/9 amor on the tower will not do anything against this fact. it will only slow them down by 1 creepwave. maxbe 2. You can always spam your first skill thanks to sacrifice. And you don't have to have a late game farmer carry every single game. You might get a mid game fighter team and get lich offlane and pull creeps to tier 2 when the push comes. Yes his ulti is unreliable but pros do combinations really well so combining his ulti with something like rp or chrono or maybe even vacuum isn't impossible either. | ||
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ScarPe
Germany392 Posts
pushing strats just wont care about an iceamor being on the tower, as they usually work with some minions that tank the tower while you just dive them. thats how it is now too, you just die under the tower if you stay and the whole oppenets team comes for your tower with lycan howl and maybe an ember or whatever.... they just wont care about that increased amor of the tower, because the defending team cant hope to stand its ground because of your damage anyways. --- gyro-changes will make him a very viable trilane carry again! <3 especially this Fixed overhead indicator for Gyrocopter's Homing Missile showing for enemy players | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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parkin
1080 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On April 28 2014 17:06 Aelfric wrote: You can always spam your first skill thanks to sacrifice. And you don't have to have a late game farmer carry every single game. You might get a mid game fighter team and get lich offlane and pull creeps to tier 2 when the push comes. Yes his ulti is unreliable but pros do combinations really well so combining his ulti with something like rp or chrono or maybe even vacuum isn't impossible either. Lich could grab some xp with boots first on offlane but so does all offlaners, once the ennemies have boots too it's the easiest tower dive. Besides getting ulti on lich is nice but no way near as useful than on clock, timber, centaur, BH who are all harder to kill except for BH. Tbh sacrifice is already fucking op in pubs, I wish they would not buff a boring hero as much when they barely improve melee strength carries outside of tiny who is already the most picked out of this pool... I really don't see much benefit of orb effect on ursa except you won't have to buy the full vlad to sustain and orb of venom in lane. Hex and abyssal will remain the superior choices late game and midgame you'll usually want other stuff like dagger and BKB. Sure it will improve his lategame but you will still want to end before I guess, or maybe in combinations with those boring mid farmer. My wishlist would be agha on jugg allowing him to right click during bladefury but maybe he would be op though I doubt it as it's still a 24 sec cd. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10697 Posts
How many Str-HARD-Carries are there even in the game? Tiny and... Just about all others feel more like midgame/semi-carries (as would Tiny if not for Aghs)? In other news: 6.90 will have Craggy Exterior stunning for 5 seconds when facing towards Tiny and Lina will have 1100 Range :D. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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goody153
44118 Posts
On April 28 2014 19:39 nojok wrote: Lich could grab some xp with boots first on offlane but so does all offlaners, once the ennemies have boots too it's the easiest tower dive. Besides getting ulti on lich is nice but no way near as useful than on clock, timber, centaur, BH who are all harder to kill except for BH. Tbh sacrifice is already fucking op in pubs, I wish they would not buff a boring hero as much when they barely improve melee strength carries outside of tiny who is already the most picked out of this pool... I really don't see much benefit of orb effect on ursa except you won't have to buy the full vlad to sustain and orb of venom in lane. Hex and abyssal will remain the superior choices late game and midgame you'll usually want other stuff like dagger and BKB. Sure it will improve his lategame but you will still want to end before I guess, or maybe in combinations with those boring mid farmer. My wishlist would be agha on jugg allowing him to right click during bladefury but maybe he would be op though I doubt it as it's still a 24 sec cd. Please just make the omnislash better than sleight of fist. It's just too stupid that a non-ultimate with the same function does a better job than the ultimate that does the same shit. Pretty shit icefrog i hope that amphibian realizes that. Decrease more cd with aghs or something. There is almost no area that omnislash is better than sleight of fist in the lategame. | ||
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goody153
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