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On September 19 2013 12:37 justiceknight wrote:
voted no
if people doesnt like AH, they can choose to ignore it and stop being jealous about other ppl's gears. Blizz can buff the drop rate and actually ignore the existence of AH, the purpose of AH is to help people to get gears instantly w/o investing half ur life farming. Even i play d3 release till now, i dislike farming long hours, i have better things to do if i were force to sit here long hours.
for RMAH, well d3 vanilla indeed can make a living for hardcore farmers but it didnt affect the game at all. Like i said, the removal of AH is simply ppl bitching about their jealousy non stop cos they dont get good items like others.
You dont get it at all do you? Your arguing FOR removal of AH.
Having the AH is why your farming long hours.
Without the AH they can now change drop rates & itemise your drops without that constraint as there is no AH to worry about.
Look at console. Have you seen people play on console? Their using Loot 2.0, they can get items they require without needing a AH as the drops are dropping high enough quantity and quality.
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Now that I think about it, my levels of fun dropped off a cliff as soon as I started having to use the AH to buy upgrades, rather than relying on drops. Not only was I not getting upgrades from monster kills anymore, but now I had to research item values and worry about selling all the semi-good items that did drop, in order to be able to afford upgrades.
So a big thumbs up for AH removal for me.
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I think its retarded how hyped people are that they are removing a feature people could've ignored anyway.
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On September 19 2013 16:27 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think its retarded how hyped people are that they are removing a feature people could've ignored anyway.
Could not ignore since its influences are engraved in the items development. People are hyped because the Auction House represents what is wrong with Diablo III and seeing its removal is to be celebrated. It illustrates that Blizzard is finally moving toward the correct direction of the game being focused on loot "finding" and not mere buying.
The system failed; players were aware of it long ago and Blizzard has acknowledged its flaws (and damage).
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The effect of the AH and RMAH was all over the game since release. You can not say it is a feature that is completely exclusive from everything about the game, it isn't. You can "ignore it", but you can not ignore the fact that the game was designed with the AH firmly in its mind. D2 farming was fun, D3 farming was the absolute worst thing ever. That is the difference, and it looks like Blizzard is addressing it directly: Proper drop rates, no AH.
It isn't a surprise that those two things are completely connected, and are being simultaneously patched.
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Mixed feelings.
Why removal of the AH is good: improves the RPG feel of the game
Why removal of the AH is bad: makes gameplay worse. Even though I think it might be a good move overall - the improvement of the RPG feel hits the essence of Diablo and trumps anything else - it is undeniable that it will make gameplay more clunky and less streamlined in terms of the trade aspect. Barter economies are overrated - anyone can just easily look up the "market price" for an item from a forum and feel happy/unhappy about the deal they got; the AH merely removes that inconvenience.
So I guess Blizz has managed to improve the game by making gameplay worse, which isn't a direction which is optimal imo.
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On September 19 2013 16:27 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think its retarded how hyped people are that they are removing a feature people could've ignored anyway.
I think its retarded how stupid people can be for ignoring that the entire game is built around the AH.
How can you ignore the AH when the game is built around it in the first place.Even if we do not use the AH, we're gimped because the game has reduced drop rates and various other things built into the game itself, because it's accounting for the existence of the AH.
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On September 19 2013 17:24 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 16:27 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think its retarded how hyped people are that they are removing a feature people could've ignored anyway. I think its retarded how stupid people can be for ignoring that the entire game is built around the AH. How can you ignore the AH when the game is built around it in the first place.Even if we do not use the AH, we're gimped because the game has reduced drop rates and various other things built into the game itself, because it's accounting for the existence of the AH.
It's mostly that D3 lacks teleport to Mephisto (or any other boss), kill, repeat. This of course inflates drop rates.
The guys thought that repeating that game mechanic would be shit.
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I'm in a state of shock lol. I really like the direction the new team is taking the game from what I am hearing.
My take on it is that, if you can just buy the BiS items for your character... what is the point of playing? For me, much of the fun in arpg's was using sub-optimal gear (self found) and embracing the challenge. Having a feeling of progression. I still think itemization is too generic (have to see what the expansion brings though), and I miss the progression of skills and spells themselves from D2...
If you can just buy everything, why not just ship the game that way- characters pre-built as some sort of Uber Collector's Edition (for those so inclined)? I really can't see how that would be any fun personally.
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On September 19 2013 17:24 Mithhaike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 16:27 MoonfireSpam wrote:
I think its retarded how hyped people are that they are removing a feature people could've ignored anyway. I think its retarded how stupid people can be for ignoring that the entire game is built around the AH. How can you ignore the AH when the game is built around it in the first place.Even if we do not use the AH, we're gimped because the game has reduced drop rates and various other things built into the game itself, because it's accounting for the existence of the AH.
they can simply make it loot2.0 buff drop rates/quality and have AH open, the purpose of AH is to get stuff quicker and with gems/tomes gonna be extremely difficult in ROS to get, i can predict people screaming wanting AH back since the quantity required is extreme ridiculous and not efficient as the runewords in D2
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Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result.
This has happend couple months ago... Remember rare items being superior to everything? People calling for buff to legendaries? And Blizzard did so - and we had our Echoing Fury, Witching Hour etc.
As a result of that, people got bored and Blizzard had to increse difficulty and add new chalange to game. Increasing quality of items can not even theoretically lead to anything else. At first right after buff you might be getting many many upgrades... But if you are getting several hundreds of rare/legendary items every day, eventually only one or none can be upgrade and with no doubt rest is useless for you.
The only effect of increasing item quality is that treshold of what you call "bad item" is moved up, but eventualy your game is going to stabilize at that point where most drops are useless once again.
The only way how to make drops useful overall while not upgrade for yourself is in increasing item diversity among builds and characters. THE ONLY WAY. And again - assuming that you dont want to play 15+ different builds at same time, the more item diversity gets, the higher necessity of trading is.
Bottom line is: If they are going to make right changes with Loot 2.0 (and not just improve few stats on legendaries) trading will become much more important than it ever was. I doubt they can push build diversity anywhere near close where D2 was, but every improvement in this are only increases necessity of trading.
And if they are only going to increase some stats, then this should be called Loot 3.0 while keeping in mind that current version (that would be 2.0) that simply changed BiS from rare to legendary couple months ago failed miserably.
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I voted mixed feelings.
I never even used it that much tbh, but sometimes I would look at some builds and be like hey that looks kinda cool, and would want to try it out.I'd just go to the ah, buy some gear and check it out. Now doing something like that is going to be a lot harder.
But then of course, without the auction house the drop rate is going to increase and your going to find better items, but if your looking for something specific and your not getting if after farming for a month, your going to have to spam chat channels/scouring forums, that is not really fun (although for some it seems it is..).
Plus the ah also gives a lot of people a grounding as to what their items is worth, and without it it would become harder to gauge. And the anonymity of the ah is quite nice too, it's like here is my price, if you dont like it dont buy it.
Even if some third party sites do come up, like dota 2 lounge, that make it a lot easier to trade, it would solve some of the problems above(giving your self a rough idea of the value of your item, and searching for items) but you'd still have to put up with angsty teens, and just random people who offer one thing and then haggle and bargain for more at the time of trade.
So while I did like the convenience of having the ah, if it was going to gimp gameplay (specifically drop rates, and making farming gold a priority......without even playing the game, but by just flipping) you might aswell remove it. I think I will still miss it to a certain extent, especially given the alternatives.
I agree with the people who mention that the ah was not really the core issue with the itemization, but it's the character system itself.
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Without knowledge about the details of loot 2.0 I dont really think much can be said. How selfsustaining will the loot be? With the new BoA gear in RoS, will there ever be a need to trade?
I do feel like they scraped the AH rather then tinkering with the games flaws. It's almost like a symbolic sacrifice, similarly with Jay Wilson.
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No, because I have no confidence Blizzard can replace its end functionality with a system that doesn't devolve into item hording, trade forums, interaction with "WHY NO SELL ???" folks, and the simple fact that you can no longer "cash out" of a game you invested so much time into.
Personal blog/thoughts of the AH: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=429578
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I like it 
Hilarious how that when this finally happens, noone seems to be happy about it?
I guess everyone who loathed the AH already left.
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I believe the trade system they will input needs to be really solid in order to make diablo 3 survive.
I also believe that since from the begining stages of development, they should have made a "common area" where people can join and talk, and show their sets, items to sell, all that community stuff.
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Mixed feelings, wrote this before:
On September 18 2013 13:34 Necosarius wrote:
They should only remove it from ladder IMO, I liked the AH because I don't have the time or patience anymore to grind for hours a day and still not find an upgrade. The people that do have the time and patience will most likely be playing on ladder anyway because they are the ones that are most vocal about how awful the AH is.
Also, I like to be able to trade items for gold and not just items for items. Thinking back at D2, a lot of my time was spent waiting in trading games. It's just less of a hassle to have an auction house to go to when you find a good item that you won't be using because it's for the wrong class/not really an upgrade.
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I think please no, no until I can reimburse my copy of D3 and Ros LOL
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On September 19 2013 21:18 Grend wrote:I like it Hilarious how that when this finally happens, noone seems to be happy about it? I guess everyone who loathed the AH already left.
Nah it was just a few very vocal people (same as any forum). Personally I hope to all things holy and unholy that this does not see the return of Trade Games, Trade Chat or forum trading. That was a fucking waste of time.
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On September 19 2013 22:48 MoonfireSpam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 21:18 Grend wrote:I like it Hilarious how that when this finally happens, noone seems to be happy about it? I guess everyone who loathed the AH already left. Nah it was just a few very vocal people (same as any forum). Personally I hope to all things holy and unholy that this does not see the return of Trade Games, Trade Chat or forum trading. That was a fucking waste of time.
From the descriptions of Loot 2.0 and how the console version of D3 currently works you probably won't be spamming trade for something, you'll be killing monsters (in a hack and slash game! omg) unless it's absolute top tier that you're looking for.
Auction House Tycoon can RIP
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