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Hello Everyone. Some people had the great idea of polling what people think of the AH closing down permanently on March 18, 2014 (see http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10974978/). Please cast your vote to determine the approval of Team Liquideers!
Poll: Do you approve of the Diablo 3 Auction House closing permanently?Yes! (253) 74% No! (51) 15% Mixed feelings (please post with more details). (37) 11% 341 total votes Your vote: Do you approve of the Diablo 3 Auction House closing permanently? (Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Mixed feelings (please post with more details).
Personally, I am glad it is going away even though I occasionally enjoyed it. I definitely loathed it more since I felt like I was forced to use it to remain competitive.
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I voted yes but I find it amusing that there are 2 people who voted "Mixed Feelings (please post with more details)." yet I'm the first reply XD.
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Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough.
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Im torn on this one 
On one hand its good for the game, along with ladder resets this should fix most of the stuff that was hurting the game.
On the other hand i made 2.5k € on rmah and that was really awesome too  I doubt i could that much money or maybe any money at all if only way to cash out was thru illegal means. I guess we will find out.
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Mixed feelings. There are times I want to trade. I hate manual trading with people since online communities have proven time and again that they are full of unethical people. But the AH just causes so many troubles that Blizzard can't fix.
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I understand their decision but I think it is demagogy before anything else. Loot 2.0 will solve most of the issues, and at that point the AH isn't nearly as mandatory as it is now, so it's just not worth the resulting effort and nuisances. Blizzard is just seizing the opportunity for the huge positive feedback.
Once the official AH fall, many unofficial ones will rise... so I guess the game it's gonna be better for self-found play and worse for BiS-hunters.
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On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough.
yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time.
the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH....
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On September 19 2013 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough. yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time. the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH....
Since you seem to be the most vocal against this change, here's a question for you. Blizzard has basically said that the existence of the AH does not allow for a good loot drop system, which is why they're scrapping it entirely. So, knowing that good itemization and AH are mutually exclusive, which would you prefer?
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On September 19 2013 08:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough. yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time. the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH.... Since you seem to be the most vocal against this change, here's a question for you. Blizzard has basically said that the existence of the AH does not allow for a good loot drop system, which is why they're scrapping it entirely. So, knowing that good itemization and AH are mutually exclusive, which would you prefer?
i don't agree its mutually exclusive. they should do the loot 2.0 and keep AH (I don't care about RMAH). people can choose how they want to play. you want to be ironborn, go for it. you want to get BiS on every single item, use the AH. blizzard can also add things like "ironborn ladder" or something similar.
if i find a good item, but its for a char i dont want to play with, i dont want to think "i guess i have to salvage this amazing item because i don't want to play trade chat, forum, etc. to get something for my own char."
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On September 19 2013 08:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 08:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 19 2013 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough. yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time. the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH.... Since you seem to be the most vocal against this change, here's a question for you. Blizzard has basically said that the existence of the AH does not allow for a good loot drop system, which is why they're scrapping it entirely. So, knowing that good itemization and AH are mutually exclusive, which would you prefer? i don't agree its mutually exclusive. they should do the loot 2.0 and keep AH (I don't care about RMAH). people can choose how they want to play. you want to be ironborn, go for it. you want to get BiS on every single item, use the AH. blizzard can also add things like "ironborn ladder" or something similar. if i find a good item, but its for a char i dont want to play with, i dont want to think "i guess i have to salvage this amazing item because i don't want to play trade chat, forum, etc. to get something for my own char."
Good points. In Diablo 2 we would create stash characters for great loot we would find that would be useful on a different character. Hoarding like this would also motivate us to try builds we had some good items for. A new feature we must consider in the expansion will be the guild hall which will hopefully have a guild stash. It would be great for hardcore (keeping some global 1-60 training gear handy for everyone) but would also be good for allowing small, trusted, groups of individuals to share great loot they find. I'm just wondering how they will allow people to trade in the game without game names like in Diablo 2. I hope it won't be constant trade spam. Sorry to digress so much but this got me thinking.
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On September 19 2013 08:12 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 08:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 19 2013 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough. yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time. the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH.... Since you seem to be the most vocal against this change, here's a question for you. Blizzard has basically said that the existence of the AH does not allow for a good loot drop system, which is why they're scrapping it entirely. So, knowing that good itemization and AH are mutually exclusive, which would you prefer? i don't agree its mutually exclusive. they should do the loot 2.0 and keep AH (I don't care about RMAH). people can choose how they want to play. you want to be ironborn, go for it. you want to get BiS on every single item, use the AH. blizzard can also add things like "ironborn ladder" or something similar. if i find a good item, but its for a char i dont want to play with, i dont want to think "i guess i have to salvage this amazing item because i don't want to play trade chat, forum, etc. to get something for my own char."
I agree that an AH that's basically a BiS vending machine is certainly possible. However, Blizzard's current stance is one or the other, not both.
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Not exactly pleased about the lack of the real money house - i don't think it hurts the game at all. The gold house had to go though.
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got a lot of good items from the AH, which i wouldnt have otherwise. my dps is wicked high because of it.. compared to my 65k from before i went throught it.
but im glad its gone.
loot 2.0 gone be goot
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On September 19 2013 09:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 08:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 19 2013 08:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 19 2013 07:43 dAPhREAk wrote:On September 19 2013 07:00 CruelZeratul wrote:
Trade will be shitty, so I can't really say that I like the decision. Removing the RMAH would have perhaps been enough. yep. once i get to a certain point with my char there are not likely to be any upgrades dropping, and i consider using shitty trade chat, forums and third party websites a huge waste of time. the funny thing is the people who are asking for blizzard to create resources to make trading easier.... its like they want a dumbed down version of the AH.... Since you seem to be the most vocal against this change, here's a question for you. Blizzard has basically said that the existence of the AH does not allow for a good loot drop system, which is why they're scrapping it entirely. So, knowing that good itemization and AH are mutually exclusive, which would you prefer? i don't agree its mutually exclusive. they should do the loot 2.0 and keep AH (I don't care about RMAH). people can choose how they want to play. you want to be ironborn, go for it. you want to get BiS on every single item, use the AH. blizzard can also add things like "ironborn ladder" or something similar. if i find a good item, but its for a char i dont want to play with, i dont want to think "i guess i have to salvage this amazing item because i don't want to play trade chat, forum, etc. to get something for my own char." I agree that an AH that's basically a BiS vending machine is certainly possible. However, Blizzard's current stance is one or the other, not both.
seems lazy by them, but whatever. i rarely used the AH since i couldn't afford anything and rarely got good drops, but when i did find that one or two items, i loved the ability to be able to sell them and upgrade one of my slots. i consider losing the AH a bad thing overall. i would prefer they work around it, not completely eliminate it. i am not looking forward to using d2sjp, forums or trade chat. oh wells.
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I voted no.
The only way how can Loot 2.0 (or current version whatever) work without trading is if there is no itemization. The better itemization gets, the higher necessity of trading is.
Increasing itemization means same thing as decreasing chance that drop will be useful for character/build you want to play.
Since I can remember I considered itemization the best part of D2 - thats why I was so much disappointed about D3 - so this step towards either further decreasing itemization AND/OR making itemization so frustrating I dont like.
Removing RMAH I support 100% though. That shit should never come live. And about AH removal - I must say I mind mostly because it simply make game designers look so incompentent... At the same time promising better itemization, yet removing tool to use itemization... Doesnt really look logical to me.
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On September 19 2013 10:52 Sek-Kuar wrote:
I voted no.
The only way how can Loot 2.0 (or current version whatever) work without trading is if there is no itemization. The better itemization gets, the higher necessity of trading is.
Increasing itemization means same thing as decreasing chance that drop will be useful for character/build you want to play.
Since I can remember I considered itemization the best part of D2 - thats why I was so much disappointed about D3 - so this step towards either further decreasing itemization AND/OR making itemization so frustrating I dont like.
Removing RMAH I support 100% though. That shit should never come live. And about AH removal - I must say I mind mostly because it simply make game designers look so incompentent... At the same time promising better itemization, yet removing tool to use itemization... Doesnt really look logical to me.
I'm severely confused by your post. When you say "Itemization", what exactly are you referring to? Because you seem to be using the word completely wrong...
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On September 19 2013 11:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 10:52 Sek-Kuar wrote:
I voted no.
The only way how can Loot 2.0 (or current version whatever) work without trading is if there is no itemization. The better itemization gets, the higher necessity of trading is.
Increasing itemization means same thing as decreasing chance that drop will be useful for character/build you want to play.
Since I can remember I considered itemization the best part of D2 - thats why I was so much disappointed about D3 - so this step towards either further decreasing itemization AND/OR making itemization so frustrating I dont like.
Removing RMAH I support 100% though. That shit should never come live. And about AH removal - I must say I mind mostly because it simply make game designers look so incompentent... At the same time promising better itemization, yet removing tool to use itemization... Doesnt really look logical to me. I'm severely confused by your post. When you say "Itemization", what exactly are you referring to? Because you seem to be using the word completely wrong...
In general I refer to itemization as attribute of game that makes items and their stats build specific. Item diversity. Importance of items in game. So that "choosing items and their stats" is part of choosing build.
In current version of D3 its hardly ever possible to look at someone gear and predict his/her build, which means that the only purpose of items is to get DPS. BiS items are same among most builds often even chars, leaving no room for items to be a part of builds.
That state sure doesnt need trading so much. But if they are going to increase item diversity (=itemization), necessity of trading will increase as well.
If - at some point - I failed to understand what people mean when they say itemization, then this is what I truly meant.
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On September 19 2013 11:55 Sek-Kuar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 11:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:On September 19 2013 10:52 Sek-Kuar wrote:
I voted no.
The only way how can Loot 2.0 (or current version whatever) work without trading is if there is no itemization. The better itemization gets, the higher necessity of trading is.
Increasing itemization means same thing as decreasing chance that drop will be useful for character/build you want to play.
Since I can remember I considered itemization the best part of D2 - thats why I was so much disappointed about D3 - so this step towards either further decreasing itemization AND/OR making itemization so frustrating I dont like.
Removing RMAH I support 100% though. That shit should never come live. And about AH removal - I must say I mind mostly because it simply make game designers look so incompentent... At the same time promising better itemization, yet removing tool to use itemization... Doesnt really look logical to me. I'm severely confused by your post. When you say "Itemization", what exactly are you referring to? Because you seem to be using the word completely wrong... In general I refer to itemization as attribute of game that makes items and their stats build specific. Item diversity. Importance of items in game. So that "choosing items and their stats" is part of choosing build. In current version of D3 its hardly ever possible to look at someone gear and predict his/her build, which means that the only purpose of items is to get DPS. BiS items are same among most builds often even chars, leaving no room for items to be a part of builds. That state sure doesnt need trading so much. But if they are going to increase item diversity (=itemization), necessity of trading will increase as well. If - at some point - I failed to understand what people mean when they say itemization, then this is what I truly meant.
"Itemization" generally implies a lot more things than just diversity. There's also the relevance to the character that found it, general appeal in comparison to what else you can find, general usefulness, etc.
Done properly, the improvements in Loot 2.0 should make most Legendaries you find "useful". It may not be an upgrade, but hopefully a parallel option...your stats may not increase, but at the very least you should be able to look at it and say "I could have a use for this".
That's assuming it's done right.
If you're looking for extremely specific gear for a very specific build, then yes, losing the AH is an issue. But hopefully Loot 2.0 doesn't force you to hunt through trade spam for general play.
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voted no
if people doesnt like AH, they can choose to ignore it and stop being jealous about other ppl's gears. Blizz can buff the drop rate and actually ignore the existence of AH, the purpose of AH is to help people to get gears instantly w/o investing half ur life farming. Even i play d3 release till now, i dislike farming long hours, i have better things to do if i were force to sit here long hours.
for RMAH, well d3 vanilla indeed can make a living for hardcore farmers but it didnt affect the game at all. Like i said, the removal of AH is simply ppl bitching about their jealousy non stop cos they dont get good items like others.
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Its too little too late. The effect of this will be rather disappointing for people who tend to blame their poor D3 experience on the AH. I quit playing D3 a long time ago not because of the AH, I actually liked trading and that may be the best part of the game, but because they stopped patching and implementing new features about 4 months into the game. D3 is not the game that can survive without new content constantly being updated, bugs and balance fixed, and, most importantly, the ladder system and competitive PvP. It started feeling like the game was maintained by a "team" of a couple of underpaid part time employees of Blizzard. That is not something I'm used to by playing Blizzard games like SC2 and WoW. So, yeah, good luck to all of you hopeful people, but my forecast is extremely pessimistic.
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