EPTOn July 22 2012 00:08 Phenny wrote:
Yeh but better than black market dodgy ripoff scam sites doing it (imo).
Yeh but better than black market dodgy ripoff scam sites doing it (imo).
Make loot account bound.
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
Make loot account bound. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
I still think the game is fun to play, I can get the same "I'll play a few games"-urge competitive Starcraft players feel but its more "I'll run act 2 a little bit". This is the kind of game you have to be creative and willing to accept challenges in order to be fun in the long run. Most obvious choice is playing hardcore though on bnet lag that mostly seems like masochism. Second most obvious is achievement-whoring. Otherwise you could try a "no rares" playthrough, restricting powerful skills and so on. I've seen a ton of people complain and say things like "I bought on release, played 50 hours straight and got bored. fucking failure blizzard sucks". I don't understand that logic. People ground Diablo 2 for YEARS and when Blizzard releases an HD remake (which is EXACTLY what D3 is) people are surprised they won't get a few more years out of it? Stop putting impossible expectations on a game that just rehashes old stuff. | ||
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lcms
Netherlands27 Posts
Might be interesting if only uniques and sets were sellable and magic and rare wasn't. Much fewer item overflow in AH and people have to use the legendaries if they can't find better rares. Also makes it actually enjoyable to find uniques/legendaries. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:08 Serpico wrote: And now you're just misrepresenting the game. You needed none of that. Maybe you mean ubers. Diablo 3 has too much grinding and too little gratification in the end, the items are also boring and the affixes are as well. They screwed up the items and finding them which were two of the most important parts of the game. I think you missed the entire point of my post. Those questions were entirely rhetorical, as the second paragraph should obviously show. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
My only suggestion if buffing the character limit from 4 to 8 or whatever it was in D2, more people in a game is more fun. Edit: Example: Nice HoZ, how much was it? 5 HR's. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:19 WolfintheSheep wrote: I think you missed the entire point of my post. Those questions were entirely rhetorical, as the second paragraph should obviously show. Indeed. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On July 21 2012 08:32 Dfgj wrote: What do you think happens when you get to Inferno? You'll spend 2x as much time on the AH because you want to overgear before doing anything. Uhm no, i've been in inferno forever and you check the slots you need every few hours or so, takes 5 minutes tops. HC AH doesn't have 150 70 all res, 100+ dex 60+ vit shoulders etc since the economy is somewhat in check due to people dying. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
In D2 you find an item and you build a character around it "Omg I found TGod let me build a spear amazon!" In D3 you... well... use Auction house "God damn let me salvage more mats to sell to find what I need" | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12816 Posts
In D3 we are not so different from everyday woman looking at glamour magazines and realizing how really incredibly ugly we really are because ... well, frankly I'm wearing shit items so | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
Now my experience from D2 is playing it a shit ton completely offline (that is no patches, only the expansion) when I was a kid so if you think I'm wrong then fine.I was a real kid when playing it because I didn't understand anything really about it. I judged the power of skills in how fast they killed enemies when I got them; for example I thought Paladin was crap because of the auras and I still don't know what Attack Rating does in the game. I reached lvl ~45 with a Sorceress whom I'd spent every skill point in Lightning Nova and when that skill couldn't carry me I got stuck. | ||
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Iranon
United States983 Posts
On July 23 2012 09:55 Roachu wrote: I can tell from the old D2 players here that you didn't play that game because the game itself was fun. You played the game because the loot system was better and items felt more precious. "I found X, let me play Y" doesn't make playing Y fun, it makes playing Y meaningful. D3 simply lacks meaning and motivation beyond beating inferno, or even just reaching lvl 60. When you reach lvl 60 you get a feeling of completion and that just shows how unpolished the game is. Now my experience from D2 is playing it a shit ton completely offline (that is no patches, only the expansion) when I was a kid so if you think I'm wrong then fine.I was a real kid when playing it because I didn't understand anything really about it. I judged the power of skills in how fast they killed enemies when I got them; for example I thought Paladin was crap because of the auras and I still don't know what Attack Rating does in the game. I reached lvl ~45 with a Sorceress whom I'd spent every skill point in Lightning Nova and when that skill couldn't carry me I got stuck. I agree with your first paragraph, most of the fun of D2 was in the items. It was always "picked up a phoenix and a dream in trades because items with auras are awesome, time to make an auradin", not "auradins are awesome, time to go trade for items with auras on them". | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
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TheToaster
United States280 Posts
In my opinion, it's not really the Auction House that ruins the game, but moreso how Blizzard decided to handle drop rates and the difficulty of Inferno mode. I think they should have originally made the difficulty curve of Inferno less severe between different acts, so basically Act 2 doesn't shit in your face even though you have Act 1 completely on farm mode. Under those circumstances, they could reduce the drop rates on level 62 or 63 items so they actually have some sort of value in the player trading economy. I guess one possibility for ignoring the AH is to buy crafting material and such on the Auction House, and just not gear upgrades. But then you are basically just trading items in a different kind of sense. Crafting material = crafted items, so whatever you crafted can essentially be considered as bought from the Auction House. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On July 23 2012 16:52 TheToaster wrote: I honestly can't see playing the game without using the Auction House. What's the point of gold if I'm not going to spend it on trading? Wouldn't it just accumulate indefinitely and serve no purpose? In my opinion, it's not really the Auction House that ruins the game, but moreso how Blizzard decided to handle drop rates and the difficulty of Inferno mode. I think they should have originally made the difficulty curve of Inferno less severe between different acts, so basically Act 2 doesn't shit in your face even though you have Act 1 completely on farm mode. Under those circumstances, they could reduce the drop rates on level 62 or 63 items so they actually have some sort of value in the player trading economy. I guess one possibility for ignoring the AH is to buy crafting material and such on the Auction House, and just not gear upgrades. But then you are basically just trading items in a different kind of sense. Crafting material = crafted items, so whatever you crafted can essentially be considered as bought from the Auction House. Act 2 doesnt completely shit in your face anymore if you have act 1 on faceroll status, just need to gear properly so you can actually take a hit or two. It takes quite a bit of act 1 farming however which requires u to simply get lucky. To me AH only helps, i hated trade chat spam really or sitting in a game with my SS waiting for someone with a shako, and then idiots show up with no shako and try to haggle me for a deal. The problem with softcore is that there are no ladder resets. There is no way to get items out of the economy. Just look at the HC AH and compare it to SC, it's working very well since it has an item dump in people dying. Other then this the biggest fail to me, since im an item whore, is the low droprate of legendaries and set items coupled with the fact that getting a decent roll on one in D3 is like getting a perfect roll in D2. And to top it of like half of them are terrible items. Like there's a legendary 1hand crossbow(Izzycob something) that can have at its maximum dps, half the dps of a decent rare at its level. How did they think there? Why would anyone ever want that weapon? The legendaries and sets are boring, random and bad. This makes farming way less fun then it was in D2 because there were so many good items you could hope for on top of getting a decent rare. Now there's only a few good legendaries, and even if you beat the astronomical odds of getting one they can still roll strenght dex or dex int or some crap for their stats. | ||
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
Diablo 2 was all about levelling, partly due to limited options to respec, mostly due to ladder reset. Where you spend time having fun developing a character. I would like to point to this thread http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?683461-Sept-Sept-Finished-amp-Summary The basic idea was to create 7 hardcore characters of each class each with a different build. that is 49 character each with a different build. So it is possible of doing something similar, perhaps only using what you can find or craft. Though of course just one of each class, and there are a lack of interesting items to base a build around and a general lack of information to try and maximise a character beyond seeing a higher number and assuming that it is better. Trying to not use the auction house is similar to pretending softcore is hardcore by saying that you will delete the character if you die and there is always that nagging feeling of just buying much better gear easily. | ||
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Monkeyballs25
531 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
All I ever do in D3 is trade items for money. I dont understand the complaints. its literally the exact same experience -.- If I never visited the AH. I wouldn't have my dual 7970's or my 120hz monitor >.> | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On July 24 2012 04:52 Medrea wrote: All I ever did in D2 was trade items for money. All I ever do in D3 is trade items for money. I dont understand the complaints. its literally the exact same experience -.- Only in D2 you had to sit in a trade window for hours. :p I can sympathize somewhat with people who don't want to use the AH but are basically forced to but really you need to get over the fact that the AH is there. People would still be trading/buying/selling items via in game chat or 3rd party sites just like D2. It was still a giant crapshoot trying to farm items for your lvl/char that were upgrades in D2. All the AH does is ease the process of trading in Diablo, something it was severely lacking. | ||
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