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Article:How Diablo 3′s AH Makes It Feel Pointless - Page 2

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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
July 20 2012 13:16 GMT
#21
I feel the article is wrote for a casual player that plays diablo 2 hours a week, is still level 39 and don't know what a NV stack is. It keeps telling us not to use the AH wtf? People complaining that inferno is a endless grind wants d3 to be an MMO or simply another game. It's not. That is what D3 is about, endless farming with minuscule chance of drops. Diablo 2 was the same, ppl forget fast. If you wanted a self found enigma you had to do thousands of council run. Put the same amount of time farming act3 and you will find an equivalent item in terms of power.

About the AH it's the best thing that could happen to diablo series. It has improvement to make like the rest of the game but it is still the on the right track. AH/RMAH has been half the fun for me.
Brood War is forever
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 13:24:33
July 20 2012 13:24 GMT
#22
Long-winded rehash of what is already a well-known issue.

Don't use the AH if you dont like it. It's not a drug. D3 allows you to play the game any way you like to. And it's largely a solo experience anyways, so you're getting left behind whom exactly?

Hardcore neatly solves most of the current problems with D3. And it's a hallmark Blizzard product, so you know they'll be improving it over the coming few months.

Too many whiners reflecting back on D2 with rose-colored glasses...
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
July 20 2012 13:30 GMT
#23
On July 20 2012 22:24 bruteMax wrote:
Long-winded rehash of what is already a well-known issue.

Don't use the AH if you dont like it. It's not a drug. D3 allows you to play the game any way you like to. And it's largely a solo experience anyways, so you're getting left behind whom exactly?

Hardcore neatly solves most of the current problems with D3. And it's a hallmark Blizzard product, so you know they'll be improving it over the coming few months.

Too many whiners reflecting back on D2 with rose-colored glasses...


curious, when was uber trist and the whole keys organs torches and annis added into D2?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
MrASAP
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom63 Posts
July 20 2012 13:37 GMT
#24
This exact thing happened to me the other day, i never looked at the AH before, i just assumed it would eveything would be insanely expensive. The other day i randomly took a look for the first time, i thought to my self what sort of legendary items there were, i wasnt intending to buy i just wanted to look. And then it hits me, an awsome spear way better than mine for 150k or something stupid like that, i bought it and then thought i wonder what else is dirt cheap. The answer is pretty much eveything. I played for an hour or two after spending nearly all my gold on better gear and just got bored. As it says the drops become worthless. I cant be bothered to play anymore it seems pointless.
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
July 20 2012 13:56 GMT
#25
Can only second the notion that the inability to remove items from the system (Softcore, which I assume the vast majority of users is playing) completely breaks the game. After only a few weeks the economy is already at a point where only the very best items are interesting to the player. Every time D3s RNG generates a top lvl item the bar for "loot that you can be happy about finding" is raised.
Every day millions of players "work" on raising that bar even further.
It boggles my mind how Blizzard could not see this coming.
11 years and counting- TL #680
pirouni
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece31 Posts
July 20 2012 15:35 GMT
#26
Everything is working as intended. AH is a nice tool when you get stuck while progressing. Sometimes you get crap loot, sometimes you get good loot for another class.

I am interested in the pvp balance coming in the next patch.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
July 20 2012 17:37 GMT
#27
How would not having the AH fix anything though, without it, people would still try and use the most efficient form of trading, so people would just use something like d2jsp again wouldnt they?
Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-20 19:10:15
July 20 2012 19:10 GMT
#28
I'm one of those supernerds in the minority where having the AH fascinates me, and has pulled me into D3 much deeper than D2 ever did. I suppose that's because I work with investments/economics every day.

The way I see it, every single gold I make, whether from a level 1 monster or what, adds up to a new weapon, or to real dollars in the future. It's a win/win in my book.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
July 20 2012 21:24 GMT
#29
On July 20 2012 21:02 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 19:31 Silidons wrote:
IMO AH is fine. It's the lack of a server list that makes you feel alone.


Why post without reading OP? It has nothing to do with feeling alone in the game. Maybe trough a hell of a paraphrasing but not really.

OT: I didnt like the article. I tought it was really pretentious with all the "Marxonian economics" stuff and while pretending to have substance, it actually didnt. Just a simple tought dragged out over a wall of text hoping that way it would sound more convincing and a made up punchline that i felt the autor really just tagged at the end for the sake of giving the article some artificial meaning in fear it would end up being just a well tought out whine post. The punchline is " dont use the AH if you want to enjoy the game". Its weak and far too stretched.

I do however believe there is some, if not all, truth in there. However I wouldnt overanalyze anything about this game as I dont see the point. No need to break our heads with this one; its a bad game, as simple as that.

I read most of it. In D2, I always used d2jsp to get any item I needed, I didn't only MF for it or ask in-game for it. The AH brought jsp to the masses (well, then put the RMAH on top of it). I sincerely think the AH is GOOD for the game, it would have been amazing to have a AH in D2. It's the actual GAME that is shit, combined with the lack of a social atmosphere.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
July 20 2012 21:31 GMT
#30
Man up and play hardcore, problem solved
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
July 20 2012 21:54 GMT
#31
impossible to progress in the game without AH so not an option.

i was struggling in NIGHTMARE difficulty on my barb and was wondering wtf why am i sucking so badly, because i roflstomped NM in d2. then i just started buying AR gear on the auction, and then from that point i was a god. until i hit inferno. at that point if you dont use AH you might as well just uninstall.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
July 20 2012 23:15 GMT
#32
What a joke, I am farming act 3 with a witch doctor in mostly self-found gear and has been doing this pretty much the entire time. The auction house can only HELP people who need the hand-me-downs to outgear the content in order to progress. I'd argue that if Blizzard didn't include an auction house there'd be far greater masses complaining about how such a feature could be missing from a mass online game at this day and age.
DongLongJohnson
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany143 Posts
July 20 2012 23:27 GMT
#33
The AH is one of the reasons Diablo 3 is such a terrible game and why all intelligent players already quit this shit.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 20 2012 23:32 GMT
#34
On July 21 2012 06:31 unkkz wrote:
Man up and play hardcore, problem solved

What do you think happens when you get to Inferno?

You'll spend 2x as much time on the AH because you want to overgear before doing anything.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
July 20 2012 23:44 GMT
#35
On July 20 2012 22:24 bruteMax wrote:
Long-winded rehash of what is already a well-known issue.

Don't use the AH if you dont like it. It's not a drug. D3 allows you to play the game any way you like to. And it's largely a solo experience anyways, so you're getting left behind whom exactly?

Hardcore neatly solves most of the current problems with D3. And it's a hallmark Blizzard product, so you know they'll be improving it over the coming few months.

Too many whiners reflecting back on D2 with rose-colored glasses...

Why would anyone play HC on those horrific servers? I can't even play a pub game without hitting a lag spike every 10 minutes.

Anyway, Blizzard done fucked up by making the game about gold rather than loot. It shifted the focus away from what you can find to what you can buy. It's boring.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
July 21 2012 00:11 GMT
#36
On July 21 2012 08:32 Dfgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:31 unkkz wrote:
Man up and play hardcore, problem solved

What do you think happens when you get to Inferno?

You'll spend 2x as much time on the AH because you want to overgear before doing anything.


If you farm for the next 80 years you might be able to beat it before you die. Hopefully they can prevent aging by then so I can beat Act 4 without using the RMAH in hardcore mode
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
YODA_
Profile Joined June 2012
593 Posts
July 21 2012 00:32 GMT
#37
I do disagree on a few points. In a way, the AH DID make farming more exciting. In D2, if you played mostly solo, and didn't buy or trade much, finding a godly trapsin item as a WW barb was not exciting at all, i barely knew what a godly trapsin item was. In D3, I still get little nerd chills when a legendary sacred shield drops, or the lvl 63 axe. Even though I know I don't need that item, I know that they could potentially be worth millions of gold to me if they roll right, and i find that is my source of satisfaction. What annoys the everloving crap out of me is:

1. "Mid-tier" items are getting more and more worthless every day. I used to be excited about finding gloves with 160 dex, 80 vit, 52 lightning res and 65 AR. Now that is a dirt cheap item that i would probably have trouble selling at any price. With items never leaving the economy, items that were worth millions a short month ago are now worth 100k. What this means is that my pleasure gets less and less as I play, because I find fewer and fewer items that are even worth selling on the AH.
2. Legendaries are crap. In D2, seeing that color pop up.... ahhh so many good memories. There were just so many interesting legendary items, and many of them were very, very OP. In D3, the only things that even raise my pulse a tiny bit any more are legendary rings and occasionally a helm or shield. See a brown weapon? I don't even want to pick it up. That is 100% wrong right there.
3. Crafting is pure crap and retardedly expensive. I have hundreds of essence saved up, but will in all likelihood just end up selling it......because crafting is just a pointless exercise in randomness. This means high level items are even more crap much of the time, because the essence isn't even that useful.
4. Gems......DO NOTHING. Well, not nothing, but high level gems do not even come close to justifying the cost of making them, and since they can't drop.....you never get excited about finding one. Oh yay, another flawless square, another 800 of them, and I can finish my perfect star or w/e. Stupid, stupid design. It literally takes 15 minutes to even make a perfect star from scratch, and it's just clicking a button a hundred times or so.

Don't get me wrong, i enjoy the game, possibly because i don't have enough time to play hours at a time, and stuff like having an andys with 125 dex drop for me as a monk literally made my week. And I still find good AH deals, and the occasional item from actually playing. I recently got a couple mf items and started playing the swap game, and that has given me a decent increase in ok items, but 99% are still crap, and I can do multiple act 1 runs without finding a single item worth over 100k gold.
freetgy
Profile Joined November 2010
1720 Posts
July 21 2012 00:48 GMT
#38
was all the same in d2, though people don't want to realise this
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 01:51:00
July 21 2012 01:49 GMT
#39
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InFkHand
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada46 Posts
July 21 2012 02:01 GMT
#40
the auction house removes any sort of social aspect from the game. it makes the game so bad it hurts my brain
hard work beats talent until talent starts working hard
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