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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:08 DMTsyncope wrote: Isnt the whole pointing of stacking MF to find items with better stats instead of finding more items? No, MF does not affect item quality, only chance to drop a magic item. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:08 DMTsyncope wrote: Isnt the whole pointing of stacking MF to find items with better stats instead of finding more items? -edit: i rather get 1 item with perfect stats then 10 items with crappy stats. my 2 cents In D2 every magic item could be yellow/unique so when you get more magic items you get more chance for yellow/unique AFAIR at least. There were instances were white items almost stopped dropping if you gone +400 mf . Im not sure how it works in D3. There is possibility it works on "item quality" and "item quantity" both. | ||
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DMTsyncope
Netherlands46 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:09 TheMango wrote: No, MF does not affect item quality, only chance to drop a magic item. Are you sure? I found this on the diablo 3 wiki: Magic Find in Diablo III Magic Find increases the odds for found items (from monsters or objects) to be "higher quality". Higher quality items are more likely to be magical, rare, set, or legendary, with different odds for each type of item depending on the Monster Level dropping the item and the player's Magic Find percentage. Magic Find doesn't make items with higher item level to drop since monsters have a set of items they're capable of dropping (eg. the highest tier of items will only drop from monsters with Monster Level 63) nor does it increase the quantity of items dropped. Source | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Well it really depends you how word it, magic item (blue) is upgraded white/gray (non-magic) item. So it replaces white item with a magic item (upgrades them). well anyway im probably wrong im off not my area of expertise  | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
I was going to say the same thing but I believe he is referring to the stats themselves. While better MF might make that blue a yellow it wont mean that the 2 hander you find has 1000 instead of 900 dmg. Ninja'd | ||
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DMTsyncope
Netherlands46 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 30 2012 23:55 Heh_ wrote: Because we're arguing about an imaginary number (1%) that Blizzard came up with to simplify explanations. Let's ignore all drop percentages, and talk about total drop numbers. If you found 1000 items with 0% MF gear, it could have been 2000 items with 100% MF gear. Sounds like a good deal to me. The NV buff complicates things. AFAIK, it gives 15% increased MF per stack against non-bosses (elites included). It gives additional drops (3 magic, 2 rares for a 5-stack) against bosses. I'm pretty sure having 100% magic find does not double the amount of magic items you find, the difference is far smaller than that. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
Champion drops 1 magic item and 3 white item. Your MF rolls on magic item to potentially change it into rare+ and it rolls on white items to potentially change it into magic+ (but much lower chance to rare+ because its wider gap of quality). ?? | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:26 bgx wrote: Wait a second forgot about 1 thing, but if we recall that champion packs always drop 1-2 default magic items than MF works like that: Champion drops 1 magic item and 3 white item. Your MF rolls on magic item to potentially change it into rare+ and it rolls on white items to potentially change it into magic+ (but much lower chance to rare+ because its wider gap of quality). ?? This is my understanding as well. Similarly, NV causes bosses to drop 2 rares. You can't count those items toward your calculation of your % chance of finding magic items because those are fixed. When you're calculating the # of magic drops from champion packs and estimating your % chance of getting a magic item, you have to subtract that 1 magic item from each champion pack that's getting auto-converted from a white. Magic find won't increase that number, which is why 100% magic find doesn't mean you double the number of magic items you get. If you're guaranteed to see 1 magic item on every champion pack, and then 1% of the time you see a second magic item, 100% magic find means that you're guaranteed to see 1 magic item, and then 2% of the time you'll see a second magic item. | ||
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Psyqo
United States401 Posts
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
(I used to do this to swap up to 200% MF before bosses and chests but then I stopped doing it to maximize the speed of my farming runs and also maintain sanity.) | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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ArhK
France287 Posts
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Nephalem_Valor TL;DR : Nephalem Valor guarantees that you will drop extra reward when killing bosses, on top of the extra MF it already gives. You will find on reddit the exact numbers, I don't remember them. I also read somewhere (but didn't see any proof so far) that the MF is checked upon seeing the mob/boss/elite, and not actually killing it, in order to prevent the "I switch gears at the last moment after having the mob down do 5 % of health in order to get the MF bonus". Edit : Found the relevant thread on reddit : http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/u6e2p/nephalem_valor_some_data_on_boss_drop_rates/ | ||
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:11 andrewlt wrote: Who are the bosses in this game? I thought it was only 3 (SK, Spider, Butcher) in Act 1. The Warden is somehow considered a boss, although he doesn't have his personal dungeon. The easiest way to know if a certain enemy is a boss is using a new character. On the very first kill, bosses will drop 2-3 rare items along with a ton of other loot, but don't drop this much loot for subsequent kills unless you have the NV buff. Or you could check achievements. | ||
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Mammel
Finland189 Posts
Also, with mf chances i'm getting rare out of elites in a3 is easily above 50%. Now, if you'd want to compare drop rates, you should do it with 0 stacks. Much easier to see the difference when base is something like 0.5 rares/kill and MF affecting it all instead of having the 2 quaranteed rares screwing up the results. | ||
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