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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:19 Shikyo wrote: Well I'm barb too and I kill butcher himself in less than 10 seconds and haven't died to a rare in ages over there, I don't think the problem is with barbarian I really want to try Seismic Slam DPS builds because I wish I could kill things that fast, but I don't have the money to maintain gear for both builds.  Right now, I have to just take respite in the fact that I can start Butcher, tape my left-mouse button down, and come back in 2 minutes, and Butcher will be dead. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:11 Legion710 wrote: I don't have much time to play lately (if at all), so forgive me if this issue is only related to time, but how do you guys make your money? At the end of my week off I made it to act II inferno and it was basically a giant wall, so I figured I had to hang around act 1 to farm or something. I've been doing a few warden butcher runs, but that's not going to get me millions anytime soon, and 99.9% of loot is trash. It seems like the only way to progress here is to have a ton of money, but to get it, I need it (gear)... How do you guys progress? Enlighten me. I'm sitting around 40-45k HP with 10-11k dps and 70% armor without shout (don't remember brute value). I have about 30k after spending hundreds of K on some "decent" gear, if not bad. I don't understand how I'm supposed to have 10 million gold sitting around. I was doing Inferno A1 Butcher runs. Usually if you start from the last quest, you can get 5-7 elite mobs on your way to the butcher for 5 NV stacks. I actually made an excel spreadsheet for my runs, so I averaged about 25 minutes per run and I mostly sold all the useless junk instead of salvaging, so I made an average profit of about 40k per run (bonus if you find good rares for AH). I was lucky enough to have a friend get to Inferno A4 so I've been doing Iskatu runs. But because I'm kind of under-geared for A4 it's quite inconsistent. I succeed about 1/4 of my runs on Iskatu, but each run is about 30 seconds. He always give a few thousand gold and 2 rares. Hopefully with better gear, I will be able to kill him consistently and add on more MF gear. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Still you really don't need a ton of gear for act1, my suggestion is to buy gear that has all resist 40-50 and then around 150 of either VIT or STR. The reason for this kind is that a 150 STR or 150 VIT item is generally far cheaper than one that has 75 of both, even though the end result is going to be the same. You can also buy a 750 watk weapon for maybe 100k which is more than good enough. You can buy a cheap, poorly rolled Kymbo for like 100k, those are great amulets even if they are terribly rolled for beginning Act 1 and I think a great investment with resale value as well. Get one with nearly 300 life on hit for a far easier time. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:25 TheYango wrote: The problem with Iskatu runs for me is that the mass shadow things kills my FPS, so I die because my Revenges don't come out as fast as I'm pressing the key. I've heard rumours it's been nerfed into the ground (as far as drop possibility) so you may not be missing much anymore. | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:27 Legion710 wrote: Right now I have about 200 resist average and a 760 dps 1h. Firechains elite usually destroy the fuck out of me. I know I need more resist. Oof yeah all resist should be your #1 priority, I have AR on every piece of gear I have other than weapon. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:37 Shikyo wrote: Theorycraft time. What do you guys say about an even more DPS-centric build that centralizes itself in singletarget DPS to kill one elite mob at a time, with a build including both Leap Strike and Ignore Pain for a Leap -> Ignore -> Leap combination and a ton of lifesteal? You basically have 12 seconds or so per monster, and then you wait 2min to kill the others and so on. I think you could even farm act 3-4 rares with that with enough DPS(over 100k probably with wrath) The problem is that melee damage is rarely the issue and that leap only gives armor, not resistance. You'd be okay during your IP but get owned otherwise. The two cooldowns don't work together so there needs to be something in between, maybe ground stomp, but then you would have to drop Wotb, unless you want to drop revenge... which, no. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:37 Shikyo wrote: Theorycraft time. What do you guys say about an even more DPS-centric build that centralizes itself in singletarget DPS to kill one elite mob at a time, with a build including both Leap Strike and Ignore Pain for a Leap -> Ignore -> Leap combination and a ton of lifesteal? You basically have 12 seconds or so per monster, and then you wait 2min to kill the others and so on. I think you could even farm act 3-4 rares with that with enough DPS(over 100k probably with wrath) From the limited time I played, I'd say that you need the avatar for this (wrath of the berserker?). Reason being that apart from the obvious bonuses, you also become invulnerable to freeze/jail/etc. I played with it a little bit and I found that I can use it in solo to kill really tough mobs using the strat you mentioned above. Pushing more towards dps I fear would make you slightly more vulnerable to lesser-mobs, which you would have to wait for the cool-downs anyway. Using my build, I just take out one guy and the others will most likely fall anyway. Very rarely do I need to wait for another cooldown to kill the same mob. Edit: short version: I found that wotb works with a tank build (revenge + stomp + shout + ignore), but losing any of these 4 would probably make you run around an awful lot while wotb is on cd. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:48 CubEdIn wrote: From the limited time I played, I'd say that you need the avatar for this (wrath of the berserker?). Reason being that apart from the obvious bonuses, you also become invulnerable to freeze/jail/etc. I played with it a little bit and I found that I can use it in solo to kill really tough mobs using the strat you mentioned above. Pushing more towards dps I fear would make you slightly more vulnerable to lesser-mobs, which you would have to wait for the cool-downs anyway. Using my build, I just take out one guy and the others will most likely fall anyway. Very rarely do I need to wait for another cooldown to kill the same mob. Of course, I haven't been able to play without Wrath since hell On May 31 2012 03:48 CubEdIn wrote: From the limited time I played, I'd say that you need the avatar for this (wrath of the berserker?). Reason being that apart from the obvious bonuses, you also become invulnerable to freeze/jail/etc. I played with it a little bit and I found that I can use it in solo to kill really tough mobs using the strat you mentioned above. Pushing more towards dps I fear would make you slightly more vulnerable to lesser-mobs, which you would have to wait for the cool-downs anyway. Using my build, I just take out one guy and the others will most likely fall anyway. Very rarely do I need to wait for another cooldown to kill the same mob. Edit: short version: I found that wotb works with a tank build (revenge + stomp + shout + ignore), but losing any of these 4 would probably make you run around an awful lot while wotb is on cd. How many mobs would you be facing though so that the 4 sec from leap wouldn't be enough? You definitely want to wait for Ignore Pain to be off cooldown when exploring new areas anyway, right? So you still got the ~12s | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:44 Legion710 wrote: The problem is that melee damage is rarely the issue and that leap only gives armor, not resistance. You'd be okay during your IP but get owned otherwise. The two cooldowns don't work together so there needs to be something in between, maybe ground stomp, but then you would have to drop Wotb, unless you want to drop revenge... which, no. I would look into getting more All Res, Life on Hit, and Vit. | ||
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
I've never seen that in any RPG and I just assumed That should give me a few ideas... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:44 Legion710 wrote: The problem is that melee damage is rarely the issue and that leap only gives armor, not resistance. You'd be okay during your IP but get owned otherwise. The two cooldowns don't work together so there needs to be something in between, maybe ground stomp, but then you would have to drop Wotb, unless you want to drop revenge... which, no. I'm in act 3 inferno without using Revenge even once in Inferno so why is it a "no"? | ||
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Legion710
Canada423 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:53 Shikyo wrote: I'm in act 3 inferno without using Revenge even once in Inferno so why is it a "no"? Sorry, I meant for a tank build anyway. I don't know, but it doesn't seem like I could ever survive without revenge, lol. Granted I have 0 life on hit and no other form of healing. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:56 crms wrote: Shikyo, I'm sure something like that could work through act 2, but I really don't see how a pure dps barb would survive act3/4 to champion farm. Even general white mobs will 1-2 shot you in these acts unless you have beyond godlike gear. I think pure dps will be viable in the future but I think right now the only reliable, consistent path to 5NV+Boss outside of act2 is mitigation. I don't see how it would be possible even in Act II. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:49 Shikyo wrote: How many mobs would you be facing though so that the 4 sec from leap wouldn't be enough? You definitely want to wait for Ignore Pain to be off cooldown when exploring new areas anyway, right? So you still got the ~12s Well, I can't tell unless I've tried it, but I know that I'm not really having an easy time as it is, so I'm not sure how trading more survival skills for dps skills would help out. Last week I was toying with a dps build but it just didn't work as I wanted it to. Now I have more LpH and more res, so I could try again I guess. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:56 crms wrote: Shikyo, I'm sure something like that could work through act 2, but I really don't see how a pure dps barb would survive act3/4 to champion farm. Even general white mobs will 1-2 shot you in these acts unless you have beyond godlike gear. I think pure dps will be viable in the future but I think right now the only reliable, consistent path to 5NV+Boss outside of act2 is mitigation. The idea is in using the leap -> ignore pain -> leap and to kill them during that time with 2x dmg wrath, a single monster at a time | ||
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