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Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 21 2012 00:57 GMT
#3101
Run with the wind rune is almost dead after 1.05

Hmm.....
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 21 2012 01:15 GMT
#3102
Except it's easier to maintain Whirlwind now.

Still doable, just needs slightly better crit rate than before.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 21 2012 01:22 GMT
#3103
But how? After reaching 45-50 crit chance it became extremely hard to increasing Crit chance. Also
Proc coefficient reduced from 0.2 to 0.08 its more then %50. Also maintaining WW was never a problem for this build.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 21 2012 01:24 GMT
#3104
On September 21 2012 10:22 Aceace wrote:
But how? After reaching 45-50 crit chance it became extremely hard to increasing Crit chance. Also
Proc coefficient reduced from 0.2 to 0.08 its more then %50. Also maintaining WW was never a problem for this build.

The proc chance is irrelevant against large mobs, which is what you used to use WW for. The reduced cost for WW means you can actually use it against smaller mobs, and use that to supplement your LoH and fury generation.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 21 2012 01:31 GMT
#3105
Ok. we need a new build hahaha
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 01:59:42
September 21 2012 01:37 GMT
#3106
Hmm maybe you're right wolf. But i think after we reach %50 crit chance attackspeed will became more important for more ticks and more stabilized fury generation. Am I right?

Hmm. I'm thinking.... Maybe switching Axe to Mighty weapon would help..
Unforgiving
Fury regeneration has been quadrupled, increased to 2 Fury every 1 second (up from 1 Fury every 2 seconds) (But i love Boon of Bulkathos

Also Ench armor gets a nerf. Changing Ench to Scoundrel may help.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 21 2012 01:59 GMT
#3107
Battle Rage
Duration increased from 30 seconds to 120 seconds


Whirlwind
Fury cost from 16 to 9

Unforgiving
Fury regeneration has been quadrupled, increased to 2 Fury every 1 second (up from 1 Fury every 2 seconds)


it needs some tests, but I think that ww will be viable in 1.5 afterall
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
September 21 2012 02:03 GMT
#3108

Yeah I just saw that about the enchantress... +15% down to +5% armour.

And War Cry Impunity... +50% down to +20%
Bairemuth
Profile Joined June 2010
United States404 Posts
September 21 2012 02:07 GMT
#3109
sprint/ww might still be viable, but it's not going to be anywhere close to as good as it is right now. It's kind of annoying simply because I've been spoiled for so long now it seems.
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 21 2012 02:16 GMT
#3110
2 Pieces of bul kathos.... Maybe this will help. (EU is sleeping. I have to buy something before morning.)
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
September 21 2012 02:25 GMT
#3111
I'm lost and don't really know what to do hahaha
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
September 21 2012 02:47 GMT
#3112
Just as I got bored with WD and in the progress of rolling a WW barb, this patch hits

Since I haven't geared my barb yet, how should I prepare for this patch? Should I go out and buy a mighty weapon or something before the price goes up or just give up on a WW barb? Help would be appreciated.
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
September 21 2012 03:26 GMT
#3113
I'm quitting this game, came back because barb looked fun. Just wasted 350m on a now neutered class, sprint and perma WOB are now dead wonderous, after so many people got to take advantage of it all the way into high paragon levels
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 21 2012 03:50 GMT
#3114
Seriously, what is with all this doom and gloom?

If you really spent 350mil for your gear, this patch does nothing to your WW barb. Except now you can WW against fewer enemies.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Trang
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 04:41:51
September 21 2012 04:27 GMT
#3115
While there is less fury expenditure WolfintheSheep, less fury generation means it's harder to keep up WotB. This is no doubt a nerf to the way WW/Sprint is currently played --- since the thing that makes it so good is the combination of Sprint and perma-WotB for movement speed and CC immunity.

edit: actually I just want to confirm, since there are so many contrary views out there on the forums ...

Proc coefficients affect, amongst other things: (1) LoH; (2) Life Steal; (3) Into the Fray; (4) Mighty Weapon + Weapons Master.

Is this correct?
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 21 2012 04:47 GMT
#3116
Life steal doesn't affected from Proc coefficients.

But i don't know about Weapon Master. BTW its extremely important :D
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
Trang
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 05:07:59
September 21 2012 05:04 GMT
#3117
Okay I found the answer.

Proc coefficients do NOT affect Life Steal, which suffers only from the 80% inferno nerf.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5168867746?page=1

However, proc coefficients DO affect: (1) LoH; (2) Into the Fray; (3) Mighty Weapons Master.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4902400739

Barbs that rely solely on LoH may have to re-gear for some Life Steal. But again, as I said in my previous post, this is not an insignificant nerf to fury generating potential for the purposes of keeping up WotB. Sure, you don't need as much fury to use WW, but generating fury was always in my mind about keeping WotB up rather than WW. You don't really care much about WW since it scales off your weak Off-Hand Weapon Damage --- WW is only there for mobility and the ability to drop tornadoes directly on top of mobs.

Also, I don't imagine the buffs to the two fury generation passives are enough to mitigate the loss to the build's ability to keep up WotB.

Basically this patch makes the barrier to entry higher now for WW/Sprint barbs. You will need higher CC, higher IAS and either some Life Steal with LoH or a lot of Life Steal (and decent Life Steal belts are very expensive too).
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-21 06:02:23
September 21 2012 05:32 GMT
#3118
I want to add some points.

-I just bought a decent 810dps socket and +%25dmg Sever and a really nice Lamentation. Severs unique ability kill enemies with redicilous high killing blows means every kill gives huge life bonus (7-12k each kill.) Also Lamentation gives both crit chance and Lifesteal which helps gearing barb a lot. These 2 slots helps with +2crit chance. Not too much but every bit is important right now. 810 dps will help for WW.
-As I mentioned before I have +9.8k Health globe bonus. This also help a lot. Probably cheapest way to increase survival
-After learning Weapon masters effected from Proc coefficients i will wait till patch comes. Now %30-35 crit chance seems enough for maintaining fury with Mighty weapon but after %60 nerf comes I don't think my crit will enough.

But finding a cheap way for IAS still hard for me.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
September 21 2012 06:54 GMT
#3119
If the WW build still works with less WOTB uptime I think thats great, it's a bit bullshit with 100% uptime.
I cant even read the item names that drop while running.

I want to pick up a lifesteal belt but im not sure whether to go for lamentation or an IK belt to start filling out my set.
I currently have the IK boots and helm.
Should I go for the set or are mix match pieces too good?
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 21 2012 07:30 GMT
#3120
You have 2 pieces of IK.

The answer is obvious.
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