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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2012 16:01 GMT
#521
You can just do bears on him and sit in the back where you never get him by fire
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 04 2012 16:09 GMT
#522
On June 05 2012 00:21 udgnim wrote:
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On June 04 2012 22:46 Heh_ wrote:
Okay, some help required. I've hit a plateau where I cannot gear up at a reasonable cost. My dps is 37.5k and I can't find anything good that's priced at a decent rate. I can do Warden/Butcher runs in ~30 mins, Maghda runs in ~40 minutes. Is there a better place to farm? I get 1-shot on a regular basis in A3.


my WD is in A3 and has transitioned from trying to obtain a balance of resist, HP, and DPS for A2 to all out glass cannon and is currently at 61K+ DPS.

I highly suggest sacrificing survivability (you already don't have much in A3) and just looking for gear that will up your DPS and attack speed, but keep the gear you completely A2 with because its a lot more convenient to be able to play and tank hits and A2 DPS doesn't need to be as high as A3 to make decent headway

one thing you should definitely get though is 12% move speed boots + gear that ups movement speed like Lacuni Prowlers because the run speed definitely becomes useful since Inferno WD for most people is a ton of kiting

get a weapon with attack speed though (preferably as close to 25% IAS as possible). it will up your attack speed significantly assuming you have other gear with IAS

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This is what I don't understand: what's the point of having 2.8+ attacks per second if each attack does next to nothing? Isn't the 22% increased attack speed already factored in to the weapon dps? If I can find a weapon on the AH with the same dps but higher attack speed, doesn't it simply mean that it attacks faster but less hard?


your timing window for DPSing is wider. you have more chances to attack with higer attack speed whereas a lower attack speed might have needed more space to attack. this is especially important to me when dealing with elites/bosses

61K DPS @ 2.92 attack speed does plenty of Splinter damage albeit single target damage which is one the biggest issues with WDs in comparison to what Wizard/DH has imo since WD damage is 90%+ splinters (at least mine)

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Disadvantages are lower damage from zombie bear spam and greater mana drain. So what's the idea compromise between these factors?


you can keep Zombie Bears if you want, but if your main DPS skill is Splinters, imo I'd give up Zombie Bears

I've already sacrificed a lot of vitality. When I started Inferno I had 45k hp, all from items that I picked up. I'm going to drop it further if I find items that have more intelligence/other damage boosting stats.

With my current 1.9 attacks/second, I can kite pretty efficiently. Getting hit is mainly due to slow reaction time and being greedy, I don't find my current attack speed to be a big hindrance. I plan to boost this further with an amulet or a couple of legendaries.

If you think about it, a WD standing still has much higher dps than what is written, due to splinters. My effective dps is 67.5k, yours is a mind boggling 110k.
=Þ
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 16:44:24
June 04 2012 16:22 GMT
#523
i saw some weird build called the rain man build that uses plague of toads with rain of toads rune

being
LC-plague toads rune-rain of toads
RC-i forget this, i just use acid rain with spread rune
1-spirit walk- rune- 15% max mana back on use
2-soul harvest rune-souls to waste or siphon
3-fetish army rune-fetish ambush or head hunters
4-big bad voodoo rune rain dance

and the passives are more what your gear is

i am running
jungle fort
spiritual attunement
vision quest

if had better mana regen would most definetly go for peirce the veil. edit: I just use a variation
we all hope to be like whitera one day
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2012 16:33 GMT
#524
Waht difficulty are you?
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MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
June 04 2012 16:37 GMT
#525
On June 05 2012 01:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Waht difficulty are you?


i am about done with with nightmare soo i am worthless to the discussion as everyone in here is already farming on inferno. But was interested if anyone has really tried playing with rain of toads.

but the guy I saw using it was on inferno.
we all hope to be like whitera one day
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
June 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#526
On June 05 2012 01:37 MugenXBanksy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 01:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Waht difficulty are you?


i am about done with with nightmare soo i am worthless to the discussion as everyone in here is already farming on inferno. But was interested if anyone has really tried playing with rain of toads.

but the guy I saw using it was on inferno.


Are you talking about the video on the previous page?
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 16:45:02
June 04 2012 16:43 GMT
#527
On June 05 2012 01:38 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 01:37 MugenXBanksy wrote:
On June 05 2012 01:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Waht difficulty are you?


i am about done with with nightmare soo i am worthless to the discussion as everyone in here is already farming on inferno. But was interested if anyone has really tried playing with rain of toads.

but the guy I saw using it was on inferno.


Are you talking about the video on the previous page?



no I mean this video

+ Show Spoiler +


edit: this guy drones on forever sorry in advance
we all hope to be like whitera one day
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 04 2012 16:46 GMT
#528
On June 05 2012 01:09 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 00:21 udgnim wrote:
On June 04 2012 22:46 Heh_ wrote:
Okay, some help required. I've hit a plateau where I cannot gear up at a reasonable cost. My dps is 37.5k and I can't find anything good that's priced at a decent rate. I can do Warden/Butcher runs in ~30 mins, Maghda runs in ~40 minutes. Is there a better place to farm? I get 1-shot on a regular basis in A3.


my WD is in A3 and has transitioned from trying to obtain a balance of resist, HP, and DPS for A2 to all out glass cannon and is currently at 61K+ DPS.

I highly suggest sacrificing survivability (you already don't have much in A3) and just looking for gear that will up your DPS and attack speed, but keep the gear you completely A2 with because its a lot more convenient to be able to play and tank hits and A2 DPS doesn't need to be as high as A3 to make decent headway

one thing you should definitely get though is 12% move speed boots + gear that ups movement speed like Lacuni Prowlers because the run speed definitely becomes useful since Inferno WD for most people is a ton of kiting

get a weapon with attack speed though (preferably as close to 25% IAS as possible). it will up your attack speed significantly assuming you have other gear with IAS

This is what I don't understand: what's the point of having 2.8+ attacks per second if each attack does next to nothing? Isn't the 22% increased attack speed already factored in to the weapon dps? If I can find a weapon on the AH with the same dps but higher attack speed, doesn't it simply mean that it attacks faster but less hard?


your timing window for DPSing is wider. you have more chances to attack with higer attack speed whereas a lower attack speed might have needed more space to attack. this is especially important to me when dealing with elites/bosses

61K DPS @ 2.92 attack speed does plenty of Splinter damage albeit single target damage which is one the biggest issues with WDs in comparison to what Wizard/DH has imo since WD damage is 90%+ splinters (at least mine)

Disadvantages are lower damage from zombie bear spam and greater mana drain. So what's the idea compromise between these factors?


you can keep Zombie Bears if you want, but if your main DPS skill is Splinters, imo I'd give up Zombie Bears

I've already sacrificed a lot of vitality. When I started Inferno I had 45k hp, all from items that I picked up. I'm going to drop it further if I find items that have more intelligence/other damage boosting stats.

With my current 1.9 attacks/second, I can kite pretty efficiently. Getting hit is mainly due to slow reaction time and being greedy, I don't find my current attack speed to be a big hindrance. I plan to boost this further with an amulet or a couple of legendaries.

If you think about it, a WD standing still has much higher dps than what is written, due to splinters. My effective dps is 67.5k, yours is a mind boggling 110k.


131.7K DPS with PtV, but it only matters if I can actually attack instead of run which is why I like attack speed
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2012 16:50 GMT
#529
You don't need absurf DPS against Diablo Inferno.

[image loading]

Did it with a buddy of mine just now. All my armor broke so he had to solo him at the end, but the concept is basically just outlasting Diablo so your Spirit Walk and your Confuse escape are up. then it's just outranging him.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 04 2012 17:26 GMT
#530
So demon hunters can solo two man inferno diablo...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 04 2012 17:27 GMT
#531
Wizard's and WD's can solo Diablo.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 18:53:56
June 04 2012 18:53 GMT
#532
Sorry, I haven't really gotten a response from the item worth thread, so I decided to post this here. I recently found a knife with high loh and attack speed, but I don't really know how much it's worth since I'm pretty clueless on witch doctor mechanics. I might end up giving this to a friend if it's not very sellable (on US server). I threw it up for 10m in the auction house for kicks, but that seems waaay overpriced.
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 04 2012 19:03 GMT
#533
On June 05 2012 03:53 Daozzt wrote:
Sorry, I haven't really gotten a response from the item worth thread, so I decided to post this here. I recently found a knife with high loh and attack speed, but I don't really know how much it's worth since I'm pretty clueless on witch doctor mechanics. I might end up giving this to a friend if it's not very sellable (on US server). I threw it up for 10m in the auction house for kicks, but that seems waaay overpriced.
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WDs don't care about LoH. 1 hit and we're dead anyway. Intel boost is nice but there's many items out there with better stats. You can buy better weapons for 10k. Have fun waiting for 36 hours.
=Þ
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 04 2012 19:06 GMT
#534
On June 05 2012 04:03 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 03:53 Daozzt wrote:
Sorry, I haven't really gotten a response from the item worth thread, so I decided to post this here. I recently found a knife with high loh and attack speed, but I don't really know how much it's worth since I'm pretty clueless on witch doctor mechanics. I might end up giving this to a friend if it's not very sellable (on US server). I threw it up for 10m in the auction house for kicks, but that seems waaay overpriced.
[image loading]

WDs don't care about LoH. 1 hit and we're dead anyway. Intel boost is nice but there's many items out there with better stats. You can buy better weapons for 10k. Have fun waiting for 36 hours.


You are underestimating the near perfect aspd. It isn't worth eight figures, but it is worth a hell of a lot more than 10k.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 04 2012 19:12 GMT
#535
On June 05 2012 04:03 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 03:53 Daozzt wrote:
Sorry, I haven't really gotten a response from the item worth thread, so I decided to post this here. I recently found a knife with high loh and attack speed, but I don't really know how much it's worth since I'm pretty clueless on witch doctor mechanics. I might end up giving this to a friend if it's not very sellable (on US server). I threw it up for 10m in the auction house for kicks, but that seems waaay overpriced.
[image loading]

WDs don't care about LoH. 1 hit and we're dead anyway. Intel boost is nice but there's many items out there with better stats. You can buy better weapons for 10k. Have fun waiting for 36 hours.

People that sell that kind of weapon for 10k are stupid, you can get a decent amount more than that for much worse things.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
June 04 2012 19:16 GMT
#536
The stats are really good but the problem is that i think people search weapons from best dps and that's quite low so not sure it'll be found so to speak.
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
June 04 2012 19:18 GMT
#537
actually wds do care about life on hit. how else are you supposed to kill spell reflect champions when your spirit walk is on cooldown? swap in life on hit weapon against spell reflects, easy game.
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
June 04 2012 19:19 GMT
#538
Ah, so any rough estimates? I'd honestly be happy with anything more than 1m.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
June 04 2012 19:21 GMT
#539
I got 4 mil to upgrade and I know I need to because late Act 2+ inferno is f'in ridiculous. I just don't know WHAT to upgrade. I use a splinters build, let me know what you think should be my top priorities.

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It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 19:55:51
June 04 2012 19:51 GMT
#540
Your offhand should be easy to upgrade with a bit of effort on the auction house. Currently you don't even have one with maximum damage. Some intellect on it would be nice as well. That is the weakest item that I can see, but you don't want to spend more than 500k-1m on an offhand as people often underprice them (or just make them all cheaper with their prices). You can often find insanely good off hands for <100k if you want to delve through fifty pages of auctions.

It's hard to say what the best items to upgrade are. If you see something good on the auction house; buy it is really the best way to go about it. Some of the legendaries (andariels, lacuni bracer) might be worthwhile.


On June 05 2012 04:19 Daozzt wrote:
Ah, so any rough estimates? I'd honestly be happy with anything more than 1m.


One million sounds about right. Maybe 1.5m buyout and start it at 500-750k and hope somebody stumbles across it. There are a couple similar pieces on the auction house right now at 2.2 and 2.5 million buyout, but they aren't WD daggers so it's hard to say how close to that it'd be. You might be able to get 2-2.5m if you find the right buyer.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
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