On May 30 2012 00:50 XenOmega wrote: K, I need some help.
I've been in Infero for some time already.
ACT1 was impossible at first. Now, with some skill changes, items, I've been able to clear them pretty easily (with 1/2 ally). I still can't tank (depending on my equipment, I have between 32k-40k HP)
ACT2 is impossible. Everything kills me
I just spent 1 millon for the Hell cow staff. Well, I guess the ponies are also too !@#!@ strong (wish I didn't spend that millon)
Right now, I'm using : Right : Arcane orb (lower mana cost) LEFT : Blizzard (lower mana cost) 1 : Hydra (Arcane) 2 : Arcane shield (Power - reduces damage to 35% if they are over 35%) 3 : Magic weapon (15% dmg and 2% knockback) 4 : Diamond skin (increased damage absorb)
It works really good in Inferno Act1. With Hydra + Blizzard, I can kite and don't need to switch skills to keep my Nephalem buff against the bosses.
It doesn't work in Pony level (not enough room to kite) and friends can't tank. It doesn't seem to work in Act2 neither. Friends can't tank the exploding bodies, the mosquitos. And the viper seems to find a way through them to kill me
My DPS is around 20k - 26k depending items and skills. Almost 30k if I use the familiar + all my damage items.
Passives are : *Glass cannon : Should I keep this??? *The one that improves Arcane shield (120 seconds and 310 health regen) -- I have a feeling this passive could be changed. Thoughts? *Arcane spells slow enemy
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TLDR : Skill setup for inferno? Tips for being able to clear Ponies? General tips for equipments? Should I go full DPS? Should I go full vita? Should I try to find a balance? Any graphics showing how to balance the amount of vitality VS resistance? (Right now, I have about 4500-4900 armor (so 60% dmg reduction), and about 35-40% in resistance (around 180-250). With the current gears, I have 32k hp.
I used to have 40k life, but butcher would 1 shot me. I improved armor + resistance, and now can take 2-3 hits, even though I lost some life.
thank you
Blizzard + AO makes no sense. They're both slows that take up a bunch of AP. Choose one or the other. If you have 32-40k HP and almost no +resist/armor you need to switch some vita for that. Also I don't think there's such a thing as "tanking" in inferno... if you can take 2-3 hits as a wizard that's pretty good.
On May 30 2012 01:20 worldsnap wrote: Are hell/inferno ponies worth farming at all? Can Hell ponies be farmed easier (And for somewhat equivalent loot) than act1 of inferno?
My farm is inferno ponies. I think it's probably the ideal end-game farm since you can quickly five stack nephalem and then plow through 5-6 champs + chests in half an hour. I've managed to kit myself up quite a bit over the weekend in inferno whimsyshire as well. Some examples:
I also got a 2h with 900 dps and 255 int that's comparable to the one-hander above.
Whimsyshire is allegedly act 4/act 4.5 of the current difficulty. However, I think Act 1 is probably the better loot farm for gear over hell whimsyshire if you can hit butcher in an efficient manner with full nephalem since he tends to guarantee drop 2-3 rares and 5-7 blues.
Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
On May 30 2012 01:28 FILM wrote: I don't know how aware of this people are but the "Life on Kill" effect found on weapons actually triggers every time you spawn a Hydra. Food for thought.
as in spamming hydra heals you?
Yes that's how people who got close to world's first inferno diablo kill got it... 0vita/regen build and spamming hydra as an instant heal.
On May 30 2012 01:48 Dbars wrote: act II inferno is loling all over me. The snakes are such BS with their invis. Would love a solid act II inferno build. I got about 37k dps and 24k hps. Actually would just like a act III waypoint. so sick of mashing my face into act II.
Drop the DPS and pick up some resist all / HP. Your DPS is probably inflated with a fast attack speed weapon/rings/etc... which means you aren't actually doing THAT Much damage when kiting, especially if you are using blizzard. You are better off with a slow weapon that hits really hard, and ignore the DPS stat. Then just get a few pieces of gear with +30 or more resist all elements (which is also physical....), and then vit and int.
On May 30 2012 00:50 XenOmega wrote: K, I need some help.
I've been in Infero for some time already.
ACT1 was impossible at first. Now, with some skill changes, items, I've been able to clear them pretty easily (with 1/2 ally). I still can't tank (depending on my equipment, I have between 32k-40k HP)
ACT2 is impossible. Everything kills me
I just spent 1 millon for the Hell cow staff. Well, I guess the ponies are also too !@#!@ strong (wish I didn't spend that millon)
Right now, I'm using : Right : Arcane orb (lower mana cost) LEFT : Blizzard (lower mana cost) 1 : Hydra (Arcane) 2 : Arcane shield (Power - reduces damage to 35% if they are over 35%) 3 : Magic weapon (15% dmg and 2% knockback) 4 : Diamond skin (increased damage absorb)
It works really good in Inferno Act1. With Hydra + Blizzard, I can kite and don't need to switch skills to keep my Nephalem buff against the bosses.
It doesn't work in Pony level (not enough room to kite) and friends can't tank. It doesn't seem to work in Act2 neither. Friends can't tank the exploding bodies, the mosquitos. And the viper seems to find a way through them to kill me
My DPS is around 20k - 26k depending items and skills. Almost 30k if I use the familiar + all my damage items.
Passives are : *Glass cannon : Should I keep this??? *The one that improves Arcane shield (120 seconds and 310 health regen) -- I have a feeling this passive could be changed. Thoughts? *Arcane spells slow enemy
....
TLDR : Skill setup for inferno? Tips for being able to clear Ponies? General tips for equipments? Should I go full DPS? Should I go full vita? Should I try to find a balance? Any graphics showing how to balance the amount of vitality VS resistance? (Right now, I have about 4500-4900 armor (so 60% dmg reduction), and about 35-40% in resistance (around 180-250). With the current gears, I have 32k hp.
I used to have 40k life, but butcher would 1 shot me. I improved armor + resistance, and now can take 2-3 hits, even though I lost some life.
thank you
Blizzard + AO makes no sense. They're both slows that take up a bunch of AP. Choose one or the other. If you have 32-40k HP and almost no +resist/armor you need to switch some vita for that. Also I don't think there's such a thing as "tanking" in inferno... if you can take 2-3 hits as a wizard that's pretty good.
On May 30 2012 01:20 worldsnap wrote: Are hell/inferno ponies worth farming at all? Can Hell ponies be farmed easier (And for somewhat equivalent loot) than act1 of inferno?
My farm is inferno ponies. I think it's probably the ideal end-game farm since you can quickly five stack nephalem and then plow through 5-6 champs + chests in half an hour. I've managed to kit myself up quite a bit over the weekend in inferno whimsyshire as well. Some examples:
I also got a 2h with 900 dps and 255 int that's comparable to the one-hander above.
Whimsyshire is allegedly act 4/act 4.5 of the current difficulty. However, I think Act 1 is probably the better loot farm for gear over hell whimsyshire if you can hit butcher in an efficient manner with full nephalem since he tends to guarantee drop 2-3 rares and 5-7 blues.
Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
Whimsyshire needs 1.5 million? Forget it lol. I don't know if that's worth it for me right now.
On May 30 2012 00:50 XenOmega wrote: K, I need some help.
I've been in Infero for some time already.
ACT1 was impossible at first. Now, with some skill changes, items, I've been able to clear them pretty easily (with 1/2 ally). I still can't tank (depending on my equipment, I have between 32k-40k HP)
ACT2 is impossible. Everything kills me
I just spent 1 millon for the Hell cow staff. Well, I guess the ponies are also too !@#!@ strong (wish I didn't spend that millon)
Right now, I'm using : Right : Arcane orb (lower mana cost) LEFT : Blizzard (lower mana cost) 1 : Hydra (Arcane) 2 : Arcane shield (Power - reduces damage to 35% if they are over 35%) 3 : Magic weapon (15% dmg and 2% knockback) 4 : Diamond skin (increased damage absorb)
It works really good in Inferno Act1. With Hydra + Blizzard, I can kite and don't need to switch skills to keep my Nephalem buff against the bosses.
It doesn't work in Pony level (not enough room to kite) and friends can't tank. It doesn't seem to work in Act2 neither. Friends can't tank the exploding bodies, the mosquitos. And the viper seems to find a way through them to kill me
My DPS is around 20k - 26k depending items and skills. Almost 30k if I use the familiar + all my damage items.
Passives are : *Glass cannon : Should I keep this??? *The one that improves Arcane shield (120 seconds and 310 health regen) -- I have a feeling this passive could be changed. Thoughts? *Arcane spells slow enemy
....
TLDR : Skill setup for inferno? Tips for being able to clear Ponies? General tips for equipments? Should I go full DPS? Should I go full vita? Should I try to find a balance? Any graphics showing how to balance the amount of vitality VS resistance? (Right now, I have about 4500-4900 armor (so 60% dmg reduction), and about 35-40% in resistance (around 180-250). With the current gears, I have 32k hp.
I used to have 40k life, but butcher would 1 shot me. I improved armor + resistance, and now can take 2-3 hits, even though I lost some life.
thank you
Blizzard + AO makes no sense. They're both slows that take up a bunch of AP. Choose one or the other. If you have 32-40k HP and almost no +resist/armor you need to switch some vita for that. Also I don't think there's such a thing as "tanking" in inferno... if you can take 2-3 hits as a wizard that's pretty good.
On May 30 2012 01:34 Kambing wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:20 worldsnap wrote: Are hell/inferno ponies worth farming at all? Can Hell ponies be farmed easier (And for somewhat equivalent loot) than act1 of inferno?
My farm is inferno ponies. I think it's probably the ideal end-game farm since you can quickly five stack nephalem and then plow through 5-6 champs + chests in half an hour. I've managed to kit myself up quite a bit over the weekend in inferno whimsyshire as well. Some examples:
I also got a 2h with 900 dps and 255 int that's comparable to the one-hander above.
Whimsyshire is allegedly act 4/act 4.5 of the current difficulty. However, I think Act 1 is probably the better loot farm for gear over hell whimsyshire if you can hit butcher in an efficient manner with full nephalem since he tends to guarantee drop 2-3 rares and 5-7 blues.
Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
Whimsyshire needs 1.5 million? Forget it lol. I don't know if that's worth it for me right now.
You have to upgrade for each difficulty. Normal is 150k, nightmare 200k, hell 500k, inferno 1 mill.
On May 30 2012 00:50 XenOmega wrote: K, I need some help.
I've been in Infero for some time already.
ACT1 was impossible at first. Now, with some skill changes, items, I've been able to clear them pretty easily (with 1/2 ally). I still can't tank (depending on my equipment, I have between 32k-40k HP)
ACT2 is impossible. Everything kills me
I just spent 1 millon for the Hell cow staff. Well, I guess the ponies are also too !@#!@ strong (wish I didn't spend that millon)
Right now, I'm using : Right : Arcane orb (lower mana cost) LEFT : Blizzard (lower mana cost) 1 : Hydra (Arcane) 2 : Arcane shield (Power - reduces damage to 35% if they are over 35%) 3 : Magic weapon (15% dmg and 2% knockback) 4 : Diamond skin (increased damage absorb)
It works really good in Inferno Act1. With Hydra + Blizzard, I can kite and don't need to switch skills to keep my Nephalem buff against the bosses.
It doesn't work in Pony level (not enough room to kite) and friends can't tank. It doesn't seem to work in Act2 neither. Friends can't tank the exploding bodies, the mosquitos. And the viper seems to find a way through them to kill me
My DPS is around 20k - 26k depending items and skills. Almost 30k if I use the familiar + all my damage items.
Passives are : *Glass cannon : Should I keep this??? *The one that improves Arcane shield (120 seconds and 310 health regen) -- I have a feeling this passive could be changed. Thoughts? *Arcane spells slow enemy
....
TLDR : Skill setup for inferno? Tips for being able to clear Ponies? General tips for equipments? Should I go full DPS? Should I go full vita? Should I try to find a balance? Any graphics showing how to balance the amount of vitality VS resistance? (Right now, I have about 4500-4900 armor (so 60% dmg reduction), and about 35-40% in resistance (around 180-250). With the current gears, I have 32k hp.
I used to have 40k life, but butcher would 1 shot me. I improved armor + resistance, and now can take 2-3 hits, even though I lost some life.
thank you
Blizzard + AO makes no sense. They're both slows that take up a bunch of AP. Choose one or the other. If you have 32-40k HP and almost no +resist/armor you need to switch some vita for that. Also I don't think there's such a thing as "tanking" in inferno... if you can take 2-3 hits as a wizard that's pretty good.
On May 30 2012 01:34 Kambing wrote:
On May 30 2012 01:20 worldsnap wrote: Are hell/inferno ponies worth farming at all? Can Hell ponies be farmed easier (And for somewhat equivalent loot) than act1 of inferno?
My farm is inferno ponies. I think it's probably the ideal end-game farm since you can quickly five stack nephalem and then plow through 5-6 champs + chests in half an hour. I've managed to kit myself up quite a bit over the weekend in inferno whimsyshire as well. Some examples:
I also got a 2h with 900 dps and 255 int that's comparable to the one-hander above.
Whimsyshire is allegedly act 4/act 4.5 of the current difficulty. However, I think Act 1 is probably the better loot farm for gear over hell whimsyshire if you can hit butcher in an efficient manner with full nephalem since he tends to guarantee drop 2-3 rares and 5-7 blues.
Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
Whimsyshire needs 1.5 million? Forget it lol. I don't know if that's worth it for me right now.
You have to upgrade for each difficulty. Normal is 150k, nightmare 200k, hell 500k, inferno 1 mill.
I'm in Inferno and only have the bone and the mushroom... I'm not sure if it's worth getting access to that level. Is it better for farming in general? Easier too?
On May 30 2012 02:08 diophan wrote: Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
Hard for me to say tbh. When I went through act 4, I was doing it off the back of the crit/stun build. So up until recently I've been very under-geared which made running act 4 cold infeasible. With Whimsyshire, I could at least butcher run to get some money before I attempted whatever I could kill in there (which initially was only 1-2 champion packs on average). As I geared up, I dropped the butcher runs since my clear times were getting pretty quick.
Act 4 still scares me but only because of the layout and the mobs. The bears, flowers, and ponies are all relatively easy to clear compared to the teleporting demons and such. And then once they're clear, you have one giant map to kite with which, depending on your location, may not be true in act 4.
My big question is if the Whimsyshire champions have the same, better, or a worse drop table than their act 4 counterparts. Based off what I've seen and heard from others, the loot is of the same tier, but until they patch in ilvls on items, we won't be able to say for certain without more empirical evidence via farming.
So that all being said, assuming Whimsyshire has the same level of drops as act 4 (which is generally regarded as true), I think it's a much easier, more productive farm and worth the money as you'll likely be using it as your primary farm zone until something better gets added to the game.
On May 30 2012 02:08 diophan wrote: Do you feel that inferno Whimsyshire is comparable to act4, act4+? I'm clearing my way through act3 atm and have been wondering if it's worth it to invest the extra 1.5mil to do inferno Whimsyshire but that's a lot of money to invest without having a sense for when it'll be farmable for me. I have 40k hp/350 resists/5000 armor/37k dps.
Hard for me to say tbh. When I went through act 4, I was doing it off the back of the crit/stun build. So up until recently I've been very under-geared which made running act 4 cold infeasible. With Whimsyshire, I could at least butcher run to get some money before I attempted whatever I could kill in there (which initially was only 1-2 champion packs on average). As I geared up, I dropped the butcher runs since my clear times were getting pretty quick.
Act 4 still scares me but only because of the layout and the mobs. The bears, flowers, and ponies are all relatively easy to clear compared to the teleporting demons and such. And then once they're clear, you have one giant map to kite with which, depending on your location, may not be true in act 4.
My big question is if the Whimsyshire champions have the same, better, or a worse drop table than their act 4 counterparts. Based off what I've seen and heard from others, the loot is of the same tier, but until they patch in ilvls on items, we won't be able to say for certain without more empirical evidence via farming.
So that all being said, assuming Whimsyshire has the same level of drops as act 4 (which is generally regarded as true), I think it's a much easier, more productive farm and worth the money as you'll likely be using it as your primary farm zone until something better gets added to the game.
Great thanks. One last question--how much money would you say a mostly full clear nets? The reason I thought of doing it in the first place is the money is decent even on normal/nightmare, so if it's good money/drops I might grind out that 1.5 mil.
On May 30 2012 03:25 HaXXspetten wrote: Do you have to beat Diablo Inferno to enable access to Wimsyshire Inferno btw, even if you have all the items?
You can use the trick of entering a public game on inferno "Prime Evil" and getting the recipe from the vendor in the keep. It's random if he has it so just use "resume game" however many times it takes to get the recipe. I have all the recipes atm and I'm only on act3 inferno. Since I haven't spend the extra 1.5mil to upgrade from nightmare to inferno I can't say for certaint that there's not an additional block but I see no reason why there should be one.
i am currently soloing act 2, inferno. anyone have a build that they used and can share? i have been doing hydra/blizzard, but keep getting 2-3 shotted by things that jump on me. they are too fast so although the blizzard will rape them if they sit still, they never sit still. thanks.
i am thinking of switching to the MM, hydra, AO build since i have IAS on my boots, rings and ammy.
On May 30 2012 03:25 HaXXspetten wrote: Do you have to beat Diablo Inferno to enable access to Wimsyshire Inferno btw, even if you have all the items?
You can use the trick of entering a public game on inferno "Prime Evil" and getting the recipe from the vendor in the keep. It's random if he has it so just use "resume game" however many times it takes to get the recipe. I have all the recipes atm and I'm only on act3 inferno. Since I haven't spend the extra 1.5mil to upgrade from nightmare to inferno I can't say for certaint that there's not an additional block but I see no reason why there should be one.
It's not random. The vendor always has the recipe on the Prime Evil quest line. There's no additional block, either; you just pay the 1 million gold to upgrade your hell staff.
On May 30 2012 03:41 dAPhREAk wrote: i am currently soloing act 2, inferno. anyone have a build that they used and can share? i have been doing hydra/blizzard, but keep getting 2-3 shotted by things that jump on me. they are too fast so although the blizzard will rape them if they sit still, they never sit still. thanks.
i am thinking of switching to the MM, hydra, AO build since i have IAS on my boots, rings and ammy.
Some inspiration, but not really because my builds are pretty standard.
i have 1.5mil gold to spend on a weapon. i want max damage out of my wiz. (spec: orb, venom hydra, dia. skin, force weapon).
should i go for 1h/offhand or 2hand? should i buy a clean high dps weapon or 1k dps weapon with intelligence and vit? please helpe me out there, i want to spend that money wisely.
On May 30 2012 03:41 dAPhREAk wrote: i am currently soloing act 2, inferno. anyone have a build that they used and can share? i have been doing hydra/blizzard, but keep getting 2-3 shotted by things that jump on me. they are too fast so although the blizzard will rape them if they sit still, they never sit still. thanks.
i am thinking of switching to the MM, hydra, AO build since i have IAS on my boots, rings and ammy.
Some inspiration, but not really because my builds are pretty standard.
thats actually pretty similar to what i was thinking for the AO build. instead of magic weapon-venom, i was thinking magic weapon-blood magic because i dont have any life steal and i will be switching out galvanizing ward for temporal flux. anyone have any thoughts on magic weapon-blood magic?
On May 30 2012 03:56 toemn wrote: i have 1.5mil gold to spend on a weapon. i want max damage out of my wiz. (spec: orb, venom hydra, dia. skin, force weapon).
should i go for 1h/offhand or 2hand? should i buy a clean high dps weapon or 1k dps weapon with intelligence and vit? please helpe me out there, i want to spend that money wisely.
IMO use a cheap .9 attacks/second 2 hander and see if you're okay with shooting orbs while kiting. I have this set up with 30% combined +attack speed on gloves/ring and I like it but I can imagine some people don't. This is the best set up for AO if you can handle kiting with it. It's silly to spend 1.5mil on a weapon if you're not sure you can play with it though.
To answer the second part I imagine the answer is a straight up dps weapon but you need to do the math for your particular int and see which is better. This should especially be true because unless you're paying a boatload for a good rare (like 4 mill) to get int or vit you need to sacrificate damage modifiers.
On May 30 2012 03:56 toemn wrote: i have 1.5mil gold to spend on a weapon. i want max damage out of my wiz. (spec: orb, venom hydra, dia. skin, force weapon).
should i go for 1h/offhand or 2hand? should i buy a clean high dps weapon or 1k dps weapon with intelligence and vit? please helpe me out there, i want to spend that money wisely.
IMO use a cheap .9 attacks/second 2 hander and see if you're okay with shooting orbs while kiting. I have this set up with 30% combined +attack speed on gloves/ring and I like it but I can imagine some people don't. This is the best set up for AO if you can handle kiting with it. It's silly to spend 1.5mil on a weapon if you're not sure you can play with it though.
To answer the second part I imagine the answer is a straight up dps weapon but you need to do the math for your particular int and see which is better. This should especially be true because unless you're paying a boatload for a good rare (like 4 mill) to get int or vit you need to sacrificate damage modifiers.
can i have another opinion on this? i really like playing with AO kiting. so your advice would be to buy a clean blue high 1k+ dps with slow speed? i have no +IAS items so that won't work :/
On May 30 2012 03:56 toemn wrote: i have 1.5mil gold to spend on a weapon. i want max damage out of my wiz. (spec: orb, venom hydra, dia. skin, force weapon).
should i go for 1h/offhand or 2hand? should i buy a clean high dps weapon or 1k dps weapon with intelligence and vit? please helpe me out there, i want to spend that money wisely.
IMO use a cheap .9 attacks/second 2 hander and see if you're okay with shooting orbs while kiting. I have this set up with 30% combined +attack speed on gloves/ring and I like it but I can imagine some people don't. This is the best set up for AO if you can handle kiting with it. It's silly to spend 1.5mil on a weapon if you're not sure you can play with it though.
To answer the second part I imagine the answer is a straight up dps weapon but you need to do the math for your particular int and see which is better. This should especially be true because unless you're paying a boatload for a good rare (like 4 mill) to get int or vit you need to sacrificate damage modifiers.
can i have another opinion on this? i really like playing with AO kiting. so your advice would be to buy a clean blue high 1k+ dps with slow speed? i have no +IAS items so that won't work :/
Personally, I like to shop for int and/or vit and see if there's something cheap. I recently went from an int/vit 2h staff to a vastly higher dps axe without either, and the loss of vit made an impact on my survivability. So yeah, I'd recommend getting something with your purchase, vit, critical damage bonus, etc.
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I'm not sure if it's worth getting access to that level. Is it better for farming in general? Easier too?
