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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-27 14:03:32
April 27 2014 12:30 GMT
#5121
you probably would also have other gear upgrades in the future, so it'll be around 50 crit chance vs 300 CD without the socket.

to have 9% flat dmg beat out 120% crit damage at 50% crit chance, you'd need 120*0.5/0.09-120 = 547 crit dmg without the gem
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-27 15:44:06
April 27 2014 15:43 GMT
#5122
Even worse, the +9% damage is bugged...

That was essentially a perfect Sun Keeper



Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 27 2014 15:44 GMT
#5123
You're making me sad now Still appreciate all the learning, tho.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
April 27 2014 17:18 GMT
#5124
Even if you find another weapon keep that Sun Keeper for a while. Blizzard has hinted in the past that they are thinking about having an option to reset your enchants on items to their original state, which would mean you could reroll it for a socket. It's not confirmed by any means, and wouldn't happen for at least a few months, but the possibility of giving that a socket is worth the stash space in my opinion.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
April 27 2014 17:22 GMT
#5125
Great! Thanks for the tip.
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mancomputerman
Profile Joined May 2010
United States36 Posts
April 28 2014 17:16 GMT
#5126
Got a pretty good Wyrdward this weekend, I'm starting to think about what a wizard/stun/lightning build looks like. Some initial thoughts and questions:

Wyrdward says proc stun on "damage" whereas Paralysis passive says "spells". Therefore, all skills/spells from Wizard could proc Paralysis and Wyrdward stuns, but hits from Fulminator or TF or SoH would not proc Paralysis, right?

For wiz lightning "spells", the chance for a stun is not combined/added like Wyrdward % + Paralysis %, right? They are separate rolls like on a freeze build? On lightning spell hit, there's a chance for Paralysis to proc... if it doesn't, then there's another chance for Wyrdward to proc. I guess it doesn't matter which one goes first, but I imagine Paralysis probably is first proc chance.

SoH is now tied to on-hit proc chance of each skill. So primaries like Electrocute (and have low proc rate on all runes) are bad for SoH. Shock pulse Piercing orb is 0.770, whereas Living Lightning is 0.054. So basically, Shock Pulse PO is the only worthwhile primary for SoH charged bolt effect? God that is terrible. I followed the bnet thread on how they shouldn't have tied SoH to on-hit proc, but I think it went nowhere so we are stuck with that for now.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 28 2014 18:08 GMT
#5127
any suggestions on next upgrades (other than replacing the current stuff with better stuff of the same type)? i am thinking i need to replace the blackthorne's set, but am waiting for drop (i have a tal rasha chest, but no other piece). i have been trying to gamble a witching hour with no luck. i also want a better weapon, but, alas, i have yet to find one. any suggestion on whether to gamble 1h over belt for an upgrade? they both seem like crapshooots.

i am also going to start getting mats to get an aughild's shoulder with CDR.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813

thanks.
Valiver
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Caldeum1977 Posts
April 28 2014 18:19 GMT
#5128
On April 29 2014 03:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
any suggestions on next upgrades (other than replacing the current stuff with better stuff of the same type)? i am thinking i need to replace the blackthorne's set, but am waiting for drop (i have a tal rasha chest, but no other piece). i have been trying to gamble a witching hour with no luck. i also want a better weapon, but, alas, i have yet to find one. any suggestion on whether to gamble 1h over belt for an upgrade? they both seem like crapshooots.

i am also going to start getting mats to get an aughild's shoulder with CDR.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813

thanks.

Gambling belts should be much higher odds at getting what you want than weapons. Blizzard has said that they want to change how weapon gambling works and at least make it so that you can't get anything unusable by your class. I know the feeling about it seeming like a crapshoot though, I still haven't found a triumvirate at all and I'm dumping all my shards into sources.

How are you liking Scramble, or was it just a random experiment?
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 28 2014 18:34 GMT
#5129
On April 29 2014 03:19 Valiver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 03:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
any suggestions on next upgrades (other than replacing the current stuff with better stuff of the same type)? i am thinking i need to replace the blackthorne's set, but am waiting for drop (i have a tal rasha chest, but no other piece). i have been trying to gamble a witching hour with no luck. i also want a better weapon, but, alas, i have yet to find one. any suggestion on whether to gamble 1h over belt for an upgrade? they both seem like crapshooots.

i am also going to start getting mats to get an aughild's shoulder with CDR.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813

thanks.

Gambling belts should be much higher odds at getting what you want than weapons. Blizzard has said that they want to change how weapon gambling works and at least make it so that you can't get anything unusable by your class. I know the feeling about it seeming like a crapshoot though, I still haven't found a triumvirate at all and I'm dumping all my shards into sources.

How are you liking Scramble, or was it just a random experiment?

i was doing bounties to get that RRoG--went to sleep after i finally got it. t3 or lower i use lightning-power of the storm so i can use disint longer. t4 or higher i use prismatic or pinpoint barrier (depending on whether i play with tanks or other wiz).
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
April 29 2014 08:36 GMT
#5130
On April 29 2014 03:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
any suggestions on next upgrades (other than replacing the current stuff with better stuff of the same type)? i am thinking i need to replace the blackthorne's set, but am waiting for drop (i have a tal rasha chest, but no other piece). i have been trying to gamble a witching hour with no luck. i also want a better weapon, but, alas, i have yet to find one. any suggestion on whether to gamble 1h over belt for an upgrade? they both seem like crapshooots.

i am also going to start getting mats to get an aughild's shoulder with CDR.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813

thanks.

your amulet has the right stats, but could roll muuuch higher.
ofc, you want to replace it with a moonlight ward.

no cc on helm sucks, as does the AS. im no fan of andys helm personally, but it also depends on the other gear.

in the long run, i would replace helm, chest and belt with tals.

the weapon ofc is not optimal either.

in the long run, i would prefer cc or cd on the soj in place of avg dam and cd on the rrog instead of vit or AS.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 03 2014 16:05 GMT
#5131
Was gambling for a Mirrorball this morning and I got 3 Chantodo's in about 600 shards. It was weird.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 03 2014 16:56 GMT
#5132
chantodo is fairly common. mirrorball rare. winterflurry rare. trium in between
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 03 2014 17:38 GMT
#5133
I wasn't aware that there was various levels of rarity, esp when gambling. I thought legendaries/sets were rare, but if you rolled one it was equal chance of any leg/set piece. Good to know. Makes sense in retrospect; it didn't seem like there was anything special about Chantodos
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 21:26:12
May 03 2014 18:03 GMT
#5134
yea legendaries are tiered. one of the big problem with wiz cold build is the rarity of some of the upgrade drops.

winterflurry and frostburn are top tier rarity in their item slot. you need apoc or something to get ap too and that takes up some roll slots.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 06 2014 16:46 GMT
#5135
is there any good fire-based build without wand of woh?
somehow, all my godly drops are firebased.
i also got an excellent 2missles mirrorball, if that plays a role.

currently, im using an arcane spec with full archon set... dont really see how a fire spec can beat that without wand of woh abuse..
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 06 2014 17:10 GMT
#5136
I'm not sure how it compares against CDR Archon/Arcane build but you can build a strong MM(Conflagrate)/Meteor build with fire and it clears T3-4 effectively.
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
May 06 2014 17:13 GMT
#5137
On May 07 2014 02:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'm not sure how it compares against CDR Archon/Arcane build but you can build a strong MM(Conflagrate)/Meteor build with fire and it clears T3-4 effectively.

well, yes, i already tried that and while it did fine in t3 and t4, its nowhere near my arcane build...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
May 06 2014 17:21 GMT
#5138
Is archon mandatory if you're running arcane?

Anyone link to a good arcane build wis Disintegrate?
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 06 2014 17:44 GMT
#5139
On May 07 2014 02:21 Terranasaur wrote:
Is archon mandatory if you're running arcane?

Anyone link to a good arcane build wis Disintegrate?

if you are arcane wiz, why would you not use the best spell (i.e., archon)?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#bRmjST!ZSib!YbbaZZ
mancomputerman
Profile Joined May 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-06 19:24:03
May 06 2014 17:44 GMT
#5140
On May 07 2014 01:46 Black Gun wrote:
is there any good fire-based build without wand of woh?
somehow, all my godly drops are firebased.
i also got an excellent 2missles mirrorball, if that plays a role.

currently, im using an arcane spec with full archon set... dont really see how a fire spec can beat that without wand of woh abuse..

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Edit: Gale Force

I use meteor but have been experimenting with Energy Twister/Gale Force sometimes. For elites with waller or in generally tight areas, you can fire off a lot of Twister and they can stack up quickly. If you have APOC gear, it is significantly more efficient than with Meteor , which I find does not give you much AP back even on large groups of trash mobs.
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