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alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 28 2012 20:20 GMT
#4221
If you use this character sheet you can see how much the bonus elemental damage will help you. Even with an elemental damage weapon, you'll get a few thousand dps boost from the elemental bonus damage. However, I agree that if you're primarily going with a ww/cm build, then zuni's boots aren't the highest priority. They really boost your dps when you can throw on a zuni ring as well, but with cm/ww build you would need a 100 million budget to afford a ring that helps. However, if you ever do archon farming, then zuni's boots are an awesome upgrade.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6490009675
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 28 2012 20:23 GMT
#4222
On November 29 2012 05:10 kes wrote:
How are zuni boots superior to iceclimbers or even my rare ones? 50 all res ones starts at 30M, i wont gain any benefit from bonus to elemental dmg, ... That guide is kinda worthless as it was already stated in first post there. It is just plain list of best items, when you put them together, it wont work.

my next suggestion would be a black weapon and triumvirate.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
November 28 2012 20:23 GMT
#4223
I suggest we rename this the Chantodo's Will galaxy pair.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/space-photo-of-the-day/?pid=5521
kes
Profile Joined November 2011
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 21:28:57
November 28 2012 21:24 GMT
#4224
On November 29 2012 05:23 dAPhREAk wrote:
my next suggestion would be a black weapon and triumvirate.

triumvirate has one random magic property. so either apoc or ias. to stay at my current 2,5 aps and switching to black weapon+triumvirate, i would either need ias dagger and apoc trium or apoc wand and ias trium. both options would require to gain additional ias from other slots -> lacuni or witching hour, which would really hurt my survivability. so wait until i have enough money to buy new gun+source and lacuni with high enough AR?

On November 29 2012 05:20 alQahira wrote:
If you use this character sheet you can see how much the bonus elemental damage will help you. Even with an elemental damage weapon, you'll get a few thousand dps boost from the elemental bonus damage. However, I agree that if you're primarily going with a ww/cm build, then zuni's boots aren't the highest priority. They really boost your dps when you can throw on a zuni ring as well, but with cm/ww build you would need a 100 million budget to afford a ring that helps. However, if you ever do archon farming, then zuni's boots are an awesome upgrade.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6490009675

actually I am trying to sell 340 int 200 cd 5,1 ls skorn, as I dont really want go archon, I dont see fun in running mp1 and instakilling everything. that would give me options to buy more specific gear
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 28 2012 21:39 GMT
#4225
here is another guide for cm wizards specifically. i dont agree with all of it, but some of it is interesting.

http://d3ib.com/cm-wizard-legendary-best-in-slot-list/
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 28 2012 22:26 GMT
#4226
On November 29 2012 06:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
here is another guide for cm wizards specifically. i dont agree with all of it, but some of it is interesting.

http://d3ib.com/cm-wizard-legendary-best-in-slot-list/


hehe, I just took a quick look at this and I can see why you don't agree with all of it. It's completely out of date and wrong now. No mention of blackthornes, chantodos, nat's... No mention of stacking IAS/breakpoints, no EHP stacking, etc. Stacking crit dmg as an important part of the build..?

It may have been reasonably OK before 1.05, but right now it's pretty much 100% inaccurate
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 22:49:43
November 28 2012 22:29 GMT
#4227
On November 29 2012 06:24 kes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:23 dAPhREAk wrote:
my next suggestion would be a black weapon and triumvirate.

triumvirate has one random magic property. so either apoc or ias. to stay at my current 2,5 aps and switching to black weapon+triumvirate, i would either need ias dagger and apoc trium or apoc wand and ias trium. both options would require to gain additional ias from other slots -> lacuni or witching hour, which would really hurt my survivability. so wait until i have enough money to buy new gun+source and lacuni with high enough AR?

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 05:20 alQahira wrote:
If you use this character sheet you can see how much the bonus elemental damage will help you. Even with an elemental damage weapon, you'll get a few thousand dps boost from the elemental bonus damage. However, I agree that if you're primarily going with a ww/cm build, then zuni's boots aren't the highest priority. They really boost your dps when you can throw on a zuni ring as well, but with cm/ww build you would need a 100 million budget to afford a ring that helps. However, if you ever do archon farming, then zuni's boots are an awesome upgrade.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6490009675

actually I am trying to sell 340 int 200 cd 5,1 ls skorn, as I dont really want go archon, I dont see fun in running mp1 and instakilling everything. that would give me options to buy more specific gear


Unfortunately trium can't roll IAS. Chants is the only source that gets IAS as a special affix. Conversely chant's cannot roll +elemental dmg% -- that's a special source affix for trium only

Looking back in the thread at your original question, it struck me that your wand is actually not an IAS wand. I saw it was unsocketed 1150 dps, and I just assumed the random affix was IAS. Since it's not, you could actually swap the 2CC to twisters affix for 8+ IAS affix (perhaps netting even higher base dps) and probably end up over 2.73 attackspeed. That will help quite a bit. It's hard to give simple suggestions for real DPS increase since your budget is capped at 30M. You're at a point already where your significant upgrades are going to be costing you more than 30M/piece.

You are right about Zuni boots -- completely useless for your current setup. For shoulders Vile Ward, as suggested by Daphreak, is definitely a good choice, although you may lose some Vit here in order to find a reasonable price.
kes
Profile Joined November 2011
47 Posts
November 28 2012 23:29 GMT
#4228
OH MY... You know what? I really thought that I have apoc as random affix at my wand. And I didnt get it how everybody just speaks about picking between wand with ias and socket. In that way I didnt understand, how they can go with just one source of apoc (helm). oh.. This is so dumb I am definitely finding new wand! Thanks, man!
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 29 2012 01:56 GMT
#4229
Haha, nice! It's always awesome when you realize solving something is easier than it seemed before, because you overlooked something

By the way, since you're thinking about a new wand for sure now, you might wanna find someone on here with an EU account to let you test a wand out, either Open socket or +IAS, preferably both. You may decide you're ok at 2.5+ breakpoint using an emerald+socket wand (massive boost to sheet DPS which means more real dps so long as you're not losing breakpoints/cc/mitigation/etc).... OR you may realize you prefer 2.73+ attackspeed using a +IAS wand, with lower sheet dps (but possibly higher or comparable real DPS and freeze-ability due to more crit mass cooldowns & apoc return)

All in all, going either open socket or +IAS should benefit you much much more than your current +2twistersCC wand :D
kes
Profile Joined November 2011
47 Posts
November 29 2012 12:40 GMT
#4230
Thanks for input. For now I wont make any upgrade until that damn skorn is sold
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
November 29 2012 16:43 GMT
#4231
I have started playing my wizard a bit more (got tired of farming with my barb). atm I'm using the archon build to farm. I have tested the critical mass/frost nova build. I just wonder what build do you guys use to kill keywardens and ubers. neither archon or cm feels efficient at all
ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
November 29 2012 16:56 GMT
#4232
On November 29 2012 05:20 alQahira wrote:
If you use this character sheet you can see how much the bonus elemental damage will help you. Even with an elemental damage weapon, you'll get a few thousand dps boost from the elemental bonus damage. However, I agree that if you're primarily going with a ww/cm build, then zuni's boots aren't the highest priority. They really boost your dps when you can throw on a zuni ring as well, but with cm/ww build you would need a 100 million budget to afford a ring that helps. However, if you ever do archon farming, then zuni's boots are an awesome upgrade.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6490009675


yo! i use some zuni boots for cm and archon... legacy zunis that is + 6% ias on them + 6% poison dam. you can get them with int vit and either ar or armour.

here take a look at mine:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ximae-1789/hero/1342065


but im gona be switching them out soon enough though, which takes me to my dilema right now. ive got 200 mill to spend right now and im not sure where to put em.

First as u can see im using a shitty wand right now and with those 200 mil i could get a pretty sick wand with 200 more dps which will be a 20k dps bump.

or i can get an average cc mempo, a sick one is def out my budget, which would gain me a lot of ehp and allow me to switch the zunis for some nats, even more ehp, and later on get a cc nats ring for the massive cc in the set bonus. that would def be my endgame gear.

im gona do both obviously but im not really sure what i should start with, not really sure what order would benefit me most in the short term as both options are long term oriented.

I guess ah sniping will probably be the deffinitive factor though hehe, as last night i was gona buy a wasnd but ended up buying my apoc chants coz i got it for just 135 mill.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 29 2012 18:17 GMT
#4233
why do people use unsocketed storm crow?
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 29 2012 18:23 GMT
#4234
I use cc stormcrow because what's the point of a socket? To either add life or bonus exp gem. Of course when I'm paragon leveling I use socketed stormcrow but for ubers or MP7-10 there's really no point when the cc roll is so much better for CM Wiz.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 29 2012 18:23 GMT
#4235
On November 30 2012 03:23 jESUIT wrote:
I use cc stormcrow because what's the point of a socket? To either add life or bonus exp gem. Of course when I'm paragon leveling I use socketed stormcrow but for ubers or MP7-10 there's really no point when the cc roll is so much better for CM Wiz.


And of course it can't roll socket & cc, it can only roll 1 or the other :D
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 29 2012 18:30 GMT
#4236
On November 30 2012 03:23 jESUIT wrote:
I use cc stormcrow because what's the point of a socket? To either add life or bonus exp gem. Of course when I'm paragon leveling I use socketed stormcrow but for ubers or MP7-10 there's really no point when the cc roll is so much better for CM Wiz.

so, you want it for the APOC and CC?
ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 18:41:24
November 29 2012 18:38 GMT
#4237
yeah stormcrow is tha shit for cm until you can afford redistributing everything and get mempo which is bis.

besides cc being > socket, i dont really care for socket in helm i dont xp farm, if im running archon i run full mf.... the xp will come eventually.

but yeah we use it for the apoc and loh, whith a cc roll on the random affix. but besides that it is actually a pretty good dps help as the 7-8% elemental damage and the 3-4% bonus damage to elites is noticeable. actually if i switch to a 150 int 8 ias 4.5 cc mempo its about the same damage as my other double int roll stormcrow.
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
November 30 2012 11:37 GMT
#4238
Hi,
I play on the Korean server and recently converted from a shitty archon to CM/WW. After the 1.05 patch, it seemed like a no brainer to switch to CM/WW to benefit from MP levels. Since I am forced to play on the Korean language pack, I might mix some of the skill/item names so bear with me.

This is how far I managed to get with 100 mil:
http://kr.battle.net/d3/ko/profile/Heen-3171/hero/6028689

I do alright in MP5 and MP7 is doable but highly inefficient.

I've saved up 50 mil to spend and I'm contemplating whether I should upgrade my CM/WW build or get some tweak equip for archon mode for paragon leveling.

Here are some ideas I've been throwing around:

Blackthorne(?)'s Boots the set item in addition to my chest + pants for 7% damage bonus to champions. My displayed DPS, HP and even AR will almost certainly drop but the armor boots and set bonus almost seem worth it. I guess it depends on how much they'll end up costing.

I'm at 2.33 aps and upgrading to 2.51 will mean a chantodo's source which is crazy expensive with apoc. So I'll need to switch my Andy's to a wizard hat with apoc. How much apoc (currently 20) can I live with @ 2.31 apc and 51% cc unbuffed? The Korean forums are full of trolls,elitists and generally bad information. Always highball the minimum stats to aim for. I'm at a point where switching one gear leads to another and so on so I really want to know how much is just enough as long as I don't play terribly.

What's so good about Storm Armor - Shocking Aspect? This is supposedly the best choice if you want to increase your actual DPS in game but after running around with it in hell mode to test it, it seems way overrated. Hits 1 target every 1-2 seconds for 100% damage. 'Chance' to hit on crit for 35% damage, also single target. I've tried runs with and without Storm armor and I honestly can't tell what the fuss is about. It takes 4-5 hits to kill a single heavily wounded regular that's chasing me.

Casting speed is supposedly unaffected by weapon speed for most, if not all of CM/WW skills which would mean the only reason you would get high attack speed is to get more procs from WW for cooldown/apoc. So you're DPS would be kind of inflated compared to your actual DPS since energy blast and such is not affected by attack speed assuming you're getting massive cooldown reductions from facing 5+ targets at which point slightly more procs wouldn't improve your speed of spamming skills as significantly as your increase in attack speed.

Also, Critical Mass and Cold Blooded obvious must have passives. What about the third? Which is the most popular?
I've tried:
faster cooldown - also can't tell a big difference
blur - seems retarded since you rarely die to melee anyway.
the last one (saves you if your life goes below 30%) - seems nice to have when it saves you, 90% of the time does nothing.
astral presence - only when I use force armor

I refused to gear my character with anything that looks downright stupid (stormcrow, tal rasha's armor purple, seriously? inna's pants etc) but after spending time on my calculator/spreadsheet, it looks like I don't have much of a choice.
('''(G_G/'''')
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
November 30 2012 13:16 GMT
#4239
You should link to diabloprogress for international community:
http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/heen-3171/찰스/6028689

If you want to level paragon get a spare helm with socket, tal rasha's cost nothing. Your gear is fine except for your weapon.
I guess you spend too much on Lacuni and Witching Hour and couldn't afford a better weapon. Get a better weapon.
kes
Profile Joined November 2011
47 Posts
November 30 2012 13:58 GMT
#4240
yep, shocking aspect hits only one target at the time, so naturally it doesnt benefit you that much when you are surrounded by bunch of bad guys, in that case you have enough procs to just evaporate them. it really shines when you face single enemy, as that is the worst cm/ww wiz can happen to. if you want to see how much it adds to your dps, go and try to kill ghom/sb/whatever you like with and then without shocking aspect. the difference will be significant
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