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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 00:34:12
November 17 2012 00:30 GMT
#4141
yeeeaaah... i know the +ele just affects black dmg and ALL black dmg. thats why my 6cc/25cd/40avg dmg/130int ring beats most trifectas sub 100m for me(trium,zuniboots,tal neck). and that dps shows up in charscreen. thats why my black 875 dps mainhand gave me a 25k dmg boost over my old mh with 50 dps more.

but the big boost of frostburns is the adds to cold skills %. which requires cold skills. which outside of frostnova arent used in good builds. so i dont know what this has to do with anything.
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 17 2012 02:19 GMT
#4142
On November 17 2012 08:57 jESUIT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 08:32 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On November 16 2012 21:27 zedrOne wrote:
Is it just me, or are frostburn gauntlets ridiculously good?


don't tell other people, they are so cheap !
the damage on ice spell is great, but as it doesnt show in the dps screen, people dont even try them =))




dont see whats good about them. they are about -40k dmg for me + the life and resistance loss. all that to gain an extra 25% dmg for a limited ice build that is subpar to begin with? dont really see the point.


Well as far as DPS works...the DPS screen doesn't always explain/show proper amount of dps. Let's use black weapon + trium for instance. D3 dps doesn't take into account the 7% elemental etc. Also w/ stormcrow the 7% lightning, Also w/ zuni doesn't take into account the 7% poison.


No this is incorrect. Sheet dps does register +elemental dmg%. It does not register +dmg% to skills, such as for what is found on Frostburns. It most certainly does register the elemental dmg% for things like Trium, Zuni boots, etc. You can toy around with black weapons/black dmg affix things to prove this to yourself if you are unsure
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 17 2012 03:00 GMT
#4143
On November 17 2012 11:19 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 08:57 jESUIT wrote:
On November 17 2012 08:32 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On November 16 2012 21:27 zedrOne wrote:
Is it just me, or are frostburn gauntlets ridiculously good?


don't tell other people, they are so cheap !
the damage on ice spell is great, but as it doesnt show in the dps screen, people dont even try them =))




dont see whats good about them. they are about -40k dmg for me + the life and resistance loss. all that to gain an extra 25% dmg for a limited ice build that is subpar to begin with? dont really see the point.


Well as far as DPS works...the DPS screen doesn't always explain/show proper amount of dps. Let's use black weapon + trium for instance. D3 dps doesn't take into account the 7% elemental etc. Also w/ stormcrow the 7% lightning, Also w/ zuni doesn't take into account the 7% poison.


No this is incorrect. Sheet dps does register +elemental dmg%. It does not register +dmg% to skills, such as for what is found on Frostburns. It most certainly does register the elemental dmg% for things like Trium, Zuni boots, etc. You can toy around with black weapons/black dmg affix things to prove this to yourself if you are unsure


Not unsure that's why I posted the long article before. I just corrected myself w/ my own posted Article.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 17 2012 04:00 GMT
#4144
really quick question

Does conflagration works with Chantodo wand using Energy Twister?
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 04:49:00
November 17 2012 04:45 GMT
#4145
No, you need to be using an actual fire spell such as meteor/molten impact. While on the subject, if you have the right APS/CC/APOC you should try dropping wormhole and picking up Molten Impact/conflag instead of evo. If only 18-25 APOC, substitute Molten for Liquefy. Windup, meteor spam, then back to windup, rinse repeat. MP8-10 oriented. If lower MP, stick to standard SNS as there is no need for such absurdly high DPS. The damage output from SA+Molten+regular spams is just...shocking
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
November 17 2012 06:50 GMT
#4146
Anyone have any suggestions for my CM wizard? She has 3.03 attacks per second, but her dps is really lacking. I want to be able to key farm effectively in mp7, but I kill so slow. Anyone have any ideas?

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/utopia-1109/Utopia/915304
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 17 2012 07:12 GMT
#4147
On November 17 2012 15:50 Ryan307 wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for my CM wizard? She has 3.03 attacks per second, but her dps is really lacking. I want to be able to key farm effectively in mp7, but I kill so slow. Anyone have any ideas?

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/utopia-1109/Utopia/915304


You are extremely simple to upgrade idk what your budget looks like but. Here is what i would change...

You could gain a crap ton off a new chantodo force. Drop the APOC on the Force you don't need it if you use stormcrow / chantodo will @ 3.03 aps and it will be 50% cheaper w/ much better damage. Also drop the socketed stormcrow get a 4.0cc + one for a little bit extra dps. You could find much much much better gloves in the AH very cheap. A new amulet would help you tremoundsly w/ DPS as well...Try and find 1 w/ IAS/CC/Avg Dmg increase/Loh(if thats what you want to keep) Also a new inna's temp would be very helpful as well...Try and find 1 w/ 80+ INT already rolled on it...thats around 6-7k dps extra.. fairly cheap also. Goodluck buddy.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 07:51:19
November 17 2012 07:34 GMT
#4148
On November 17 2012 16:12 jESUIT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 15:50 Ryan307 wrote:
Anyone have any suggestions for my CM wizard? She has 3.03 attacks per second, but her dps is really lacking. I want to be able to key farm effectively in mp7, but I kill so slow. Anyone have any ideas?

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/utopia-1109/Utopia/915304


You are extremely simple to upgrade idk what your budget looks like but. Here is what i would change...

You could gain a crap ton off a new chantodo force. Drop the APOC on the Force you don't need it if you use stormcrow / chantodo will @ 3.03 aps and it will be 50% cheaper w/ much better damage. Also drop the socketed stormcrow get a 4.0cc + one for a little bit extra dps. You could find much much much better gloves in the AH very cheap. A new amulet would help you tremoundsly w/ DPS as well...Try and find 1 w/ IAS/CC/Avg Dmg increase/Loh(if thats what you want to keep) Also a new inna's temp would be very helpful as well...Try and find 1 w/ 80+ INT already rolled on it...thats around 6-7k dps extra.. fairly cheap also. Goodluck buddy.



This is all extremely helpful advice thanks so much. I'm hesitant to replace my stormcrow because I love the extra % experience bonus. How much LoH do you think is necessary for a CM wizard? Also, what is the ideal skill setup to farm Mp8?
Thanks so much for your help!

EdiT: My budget is ~300million
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
November 17 2012 09:05 GMT
#4149
Hmm.. What viable build can you actually use that's NOT Archon or CM/WW related??

I've been doing some fine Alkaizer style Archon runs to try and get quicker Paragon. But now I want to farm keys and don't think the same approach is viable. But don't think I have the gear to do CM and also I don't really like that style..

Love using Disintegrate but don't know if that'll work properly. But basically any other build that's useful for MP3/4/5 so the chance for getting the keys and organs is higher would be fine

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Enickma-2780/hero/3372093
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Gamera
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-17 13:38:48
November 17 2012 13:38 GMT
#4150
On November 17 2012 18:05 3nickma wrote:
Hmm.. What viable build can you actually use that's NOT Archon or CM/WW related??

I've been doing some fine Alkaizer style Archon runs to try and get quicker Paragon. But now I want to farm keys and don't think the same approach is viable. But don't think I have the gear to do CM and also I don't really like that style..

Love using Disintegrate but don't know if that'll work properly. But basically any other build that's useful for MP3/4/5 so the chance for getting the keys and organs is higher would be fine

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Enickma-2780/hero/3372093


Try my build, I use Disitegrate + Frost Nova + Critical Mass, with your high CC you should be happy with it. And it's extremely fun.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Iuvenalis-2817/hero/1445782

3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
November 17 2012 15:38 GMT
#4151
On November 17 2012 22:38 Gamera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 18:05 3nickma wrote:
Hmm.. What viable build can you actually use that's NOT Archon or CM/WW related??

I've been doing some fine Alkaizer style Archon runs to try and get quicker Paragon. But now I want to farm keys and don't think the same approach is viable. But don't think I have the gear to do CM and also I don't really like that style..

Love using Disintegrate but don't know if that'll work properly. But basically any other build that's useful for MP3/4/5 so the chance for getting the keys and organs is higher would be fine

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Enickma-2780/hero/3372093


Try my build, I use Disitegrate + Frost Nova + Critical Mass, with your high CC you should be happy with it. And it's extremely fun.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Iuvenalis-2817/hero/1445782



Okay seems a bit unusual but will give it a try so thanks

But what's so good about it? And how is it supposed to be played?

Just stand there with mobs around you so the Chaos Nexus hits and crits to make a CM perma-style freeze!?
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Gamera
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland16 Posts
November 18 2012 02:23 GMT
#4152

On November 17 2012 18:05 3nickma wrote:
Okay seems a bit unusual but will give it a try so thanks

But what's so good about it? And how is it supposed to be played?

Just stand there with mobs around you so the Chaos Nexus hits and crits to make a CM perma-style freeze!?



Well I just think that Disintegrate with Chaos Nexus is great. You CAN kite with it, you can just stand and just melt freeze stuff, it just crits great. Yeah it's basically freeze - disintegrate, freeze - disintegrate. With your CC you dont even need Energy Armor with PB, so you can use free skill for something else. APOC helps a lot - (Storm Cow or/and Triumvirate). I don't ever get CM perma-freeze style but I'd like to some day
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
November 18 2012 02:59 GMT
#4153
What are my biggest upgrade priorities here?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tapcon-1277/hero/1670970
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
November 18 2012 11:48 GMT
#4154
Hey guys,

I'm currently leveling a Wizard whom I want to be my main-character, but I have no idea about the class, so would you mind answering some questions?

First of all, I'm greatly interested in Archon builds, since I find the Archon to be a really cool ability.
Does the Archon "Disintegrate" crit? Do those critical strikes trigger Critical Mass? Does that affect the Archon-ability-cooldown?

Then I'd like to know how much one has to invest to get the build working.
I only have about 25 Million Gold, does that suffice for MP1-runs?

Cheers guys!

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IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
November 18 2012 12:21 GMT
#4155
On November 18 2012 20:48 kafkaesque wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm currently leveling a Wizard whom I want to be my main-character, but I have no idea about the class, so would you mind answering some questions?

First of all, I'm greatly interested in Archon builds, since I find the Archon to be a really cool ability.
Does the Archon "Disintegrate" crit? Do those critical strikes trigger Critical Mass? Does that affect the Archon-ability-cooldown?

Then I'd like to know how much one has to invest to get the build working.
I only have about 25 Million Gold, does that suffice for MP1-runs?

Cheers guys!



Archon wizards need alot of dps to run along with good all resistance and 24 movement speed.
Good starter gear would include Zuni boots and armor and a pair of Lacuni's. The rest of your should focus on critical chance and critical dam. To run mp1 I would say 120k dps 500 all resistance unbuffed
Moar banelings less qq
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-18 21:45:46
November 18 2012 21:13 GMT
#4156
On November 18 2012 21:21 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2012 20:48 kafkaesque wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm currently leveling a Wizard whom I want to be my main-character, but I have no idea about the class, so would you mind answering some questions?

First of all, I'm greatly interested in Archon builds, since I find the Archon to be a really cool ability.
Does the Archon "Disintegrate" crit? Do those critical strikes trigger Critical Mass? Does that affect the Archon-ability-cooldown?

Then I'd like to know how much one has to invest to get the build working.
I only have about 25 Million Gold, does that suffice for MP1-runs?

Cheers guys!



Archon wizards need alot of dps to run along with good all resistance and 24 movement speed.
Good starter gear would include Zuni boots and armor and a pair of Lacuni's. The rest of your should focus on critical chance and critical dam. To run mp1 I would say 120k dps 500 all resistance unbuffed


you can def do mp1 with way less. but you forgot a major point: lifeleech. without lifeleech you have to kite and dodge stuff alot (esp in areas like fields of slaughter with all the ranged monsters) which wastes archon time and overall sucks.



btw can it be right that when i check dps differences with ah weapons that have similar stats but 80dps more just give me like a 5k dps upgrade? seems like i should just neglect the weapon or its dps in favor of critdmg/int since 80int or even just 15crit dmg would apparently give me more dps then a almost 100 weapon dps upgrade.

/edit was mostly comparing with axes. forgot that the the speed matters alot with all the +dmg of the source,2 40avg dmg rings etc so going from sword to slower i lose alot that way. 50dps higher dagger with 80 less int(same cdmg) would give 6k
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
RMonkeyF
Profile Joined April 2011
46 Posts
November 19 2012 05:24 GMT
#4157
hey guys, i'm currently leveling my wizard after just coming back to d3 and i was wondering if someone could help me out with what gear i'd need.

i want to base my wizard around the popular CM build and will have about 4mil to start gearing. so if someone could tell me what i'd need to start and be somewhat decent at solo farming inferno that would be great ^_^.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 19 2012 05:50 GMT
#4158
On November 19 2012 14:24 RMonkeyF wrote:
hey guys, i'm currently leveling my wizard after just coming back to d3 and i was wondering if someone could help me out with what gear i'd need.

i want to base my wizard around the popular CM build and will have about 4mil to start gearing. so if someone could tell me what i'd need to start and be somewhat decent at solo farming inferno that would be great ^_^.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378958
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 19 2012 06:18 GMT
#4159
4 million is pretty low to start, but you may be able to get it to work on MP 0 and farm up enough money for some upgrades. The cheapest, non ridiculously poor damage chantodo's force is about 1 million, and that is probably worth splurging on. You can get a LoH chantodo's will for a few hundred k, IAS ones will take up too much of your budget. Basic stormcrows are dirt cheap. On chest and pants, focus almost exclusively on defense, don't worry too much about int. You can get chests with 3 sockets, 50 int, 100+ vit and 70 AR for 100-200k. similar pants are also 100-200k. Boots with movespeed, some int, 50+ vit and 65+ AR are under 100k.

Gloves and jewelry are where you are really going to get hurt on the build. Get as much attack speed and crit chance as you can on all these slots with the rest of your money. Make sure you look at the breakpoints listed at the link near the top of the guide and try and ideally hit the 2.51 attack speed, but you'll probably have to settle for the 2.31 point without a witching hour or lacuni's. Maybe even the point before that. Good luck!
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
November 19 2012 09:48 GMT
#4160
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/beef42-2324/hero/1765762

Here's my totally poor CM wizard, I think I've spent like 2-3 million. I don't have 2.51 APS, but he still kills shit really fast, at least in mp0 and mp1 (the only ones I've tried so far, I think he can do mp2 and 3 too without too much issue) and he doesn't really die, except when I mess up and take several Molten death explosions simultaneously. Stuff like that is what the teleport is for. Personally I think the key to budget CM wizard is to get some proper Life on Hit up, because if something somehow manages to get through the diamond skin, you're gonna feel it no matter what, so you should have LoH to heal up the next time mobs get frozen/crystal shell comes up. Big spike damage (i.e suicide fallen, molten death explosions, multiple arcane sentries, (one is fine though) etc kills me so I'm not at the point where I can disengage brain and collect rares. Not yet that is.

Oh, and do yourself a favour and use the autohotkey script in the CM guide thread. I don't think it's physically possible to farm for a long time with this spec without such a script.

PS, anyone got a cheap Tal Rasha's Relentless Pursuit?
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