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3.0AS with stretch time, CC can go little higher. With shocking aspect I get decent dps, and I (almost) don't die on MP7 ubers with average (about 50 paragon level) group.
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Ammorphalisk
Bulgaria20 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/hwbgLan-1876/hero/1816087 3.0AS with stretch time, CC can go little higher. With shocking aspect I get decent dps, and I (almost) don't die on MP7 ubers with average (about 50 paragon level) group. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 14 2012 18:17 Ammorphalisk wrote: That's as far as I can get with my CM/WW gear without crazy trifectas like jesuit's (and I find his AR/armor/health a little low for glass cannon): http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/hwbgLan-1876/hero/1816087 3.0AS with stretch time, CC can go little higher. With shocking aspect I get decent dps, and I (almost) don't die on MP7 ubers with average (about 50 paragon level) group. Thanks for the compliment but i still can carry MP10 ubers it's not too difficult since I changed up the build style a little. I find force armor to be more helpful. I'm @ 3.03 w/ stretch time i believe. | ||
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ximae
181 Posts
ya ive seen you around since ive been hanging around there, ur from the original cm gang lol. I remember you were among the few who were testing in the ptr how the fuck to get cm to work decently post patch. Im so glad i was there too coz it allowed me to regear prepatch and be ready for some higher mp farming just as patch hit. So i could go from my budget version to a more standard one, you know get enough drops to pay for the real gear, the expensive one. shame the economy and the drops have gone down the gutter these last weeks, cant get anything to drop worth more than 10 mill and selling is sooo damn hard.... my upgrading has come to a halt till i get my shit to sell and get more dough. | ||
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ASoo
2864 Posts
And you don't know me But I made a thread Request Sticky, maybe? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004037930 | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:59 ximae wrote: yo mercurial! ya ive seen you around since ive been hanging around there, ur from the original cm gang lol. I remember you were among the few who were testing in the ptr how the fuck to get cm to work decently post patch. Im so glad i was there too coz it allowed me to regear prepatch and be ready for some higher mp farming just as patch hit. So i could go from my budget version to a more standard one, you know get enough drops to pay for the real gear, the expensive one. shame the economy and the drops have gone down the gutter these last weeks, cant get anything to drop worth more than 10 mill and selling is sooo damn hard.... my upgrading has come to a halt till i get my shit to sell and get more dough. Haha, yea. Thanks to Shandlar for getting me on the IAS train in time for 1.05. I'd still use meteor with WW/EB if I wasn't such a TP junky. The combined DPS of meteor, EB, shards, and shocking is quite incredible when you run with high CC and high APOC. Yea, as I close in on 100 paragon, I think I'm transitioning back into SC2 (my toss has gone to hell). I don't know how I feel about paying 500mil+ for upgrades. There are days when I get multiple (crappy) set items and I think, "Wow, I can keep playing this game if the drops are going to come at this rate." Then the next day, I'll have a horrible streak (hours long). From lvl 95-96 I only got 6 legendaries. That is my driest stretch since 1.05 (270 mil EXP and only 6 legends!). I was running with this WD who asked, "Are sets falling from the sky now that you're close to 100?" and I'm thinking, "No, actually, this is the worst I've had it in awhile." Your point is well taken. It's hard to make money with cheap low and mid range legendaries flooding the market. I don't even pickup rares when I solo anymore (except rings and ammies). I still enjoy CM-style-wiz so I doubt I'll quit. But the RNG in D3 is much worse the sometimes coin-flippy nature of SC2. | ||
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Zen5034
United States384 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zen5034-1241/hero/6223873 I'm trying to make the transition to CM, and am realizing that I should probably be playing with a 1-hander... I have 12 mil to my name, so what do you folks think I should try and obtain? edit: also have this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PRlZy.png) | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
For your 1h, try finding a cheap chantodo's. Not sure what the prices are, but getting one without a socket, decent dmg, and perhaps even +IAS (~1.75+ AS) should be manageable, even if the dmg isn't amazing on paper. This will help a ton toward pushing your attack speed to a decent level. You should also be able to add some +armor and +AR, perhaps at the expense of some vit, without having to spend too much. You want to end up building up your armor + AR, without really doing much more to your vit. Oh and before I forget -- APOC! The stormcrow is a nice starter, but by this point you should also be able to get some on your source fairly cheaply, even if it means losing triumvirate. Trium is really the best choice for archons and ranged builds, but for CM/WW, it really isn't anything special. You should be able to find one with more dmg, equal CC, and +APOC for cheap (rare). Heck, might even be able to find a chant's source cheap too at this point. In any case, eventually you'll want to bump your source up to a chant's with APOC. Your LOH is probably fine for now, at least until you raise your DPS significantly, which you shouldn't worry about til you're comfortable with the build. Your gloves are very solid for getting your CM/WW going, btw. In fact, it has most of the more important stats you want to be stacking for CM/WW: IAS, CC, AR, armor, Vit, Int  | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
I have 134k DPS unbuffed and should be able to get a similar Skorn with 5% LS but I'll lose 300 Vit which I think is a lot. Have 43.5k HP. Just want to know if a switch would be worth it or not. Could maybe get more Vit elsewhere.. http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Enickma-2780/hero/3372093 | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
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ximae
181 Posts
On November 15 2012 09:24 skatbone wrote: Haha, yea. Thanks to Shandlar for getting me on the IAS train in time for 1.05. I'd still use meteor with WW/EB if I wasn't such a TP junky. The combined DPS of meteor, EB, shards, and shocking is quite incredible when you run with high CC and high APOC. Yea, as I close in on 100 paragon, I think I'm transitioning back into SC2 (my toss has gone to hell). I don't know how I feel about paying 500mil+ for upgrades. There are days when I get multiple (crappy) set items and I think, "Wow, I can keep playing this game if the drops are going to come at this rate." Then the next day, I'll have a horrible streak (hours long). From lvl 95-96 I only got 6 legendaries. That is my driest stretch since 1.05 (270 mil EXP and only 6 legends!). I was running with this WD who asked, "Are sets falling from the sky now that you're close to 100?" and I'm thinking, "No, actually, this is the worst I've had it in awhile." Your point is well taken. It's hard to make money with cheap low and mid range legendaries flooding the market. I don't even pickup rares when I solo anymore (except rings and ammies). I still enjoy CM-style-wiz so I doubt I'll quit. But the RNG in D3 is much worse the sometimes coin-flippy nature of SC2. yeah meteors are fun but i dont think i have the mitigation to run them on mp10 coz im dieing a ton coz of the lack of teleport. I actually was surprised as how well they were actually procing, but i still find standard sns better specially when ur down to just a few mobs, the freeze lock is so much better. Btw try shower, once there is like 3-5 more baddies it really is amazing how much u can spam em and the damage they deal, specially considering the shit proc rate they have. dont get me started with the drops-economy, today is the first day i have not got any legs in like 3 weeks and these last 2 weeks the drops were horrible, im getting depressed seeing how poor i am right now, specially after spending most i had on a new set of rare bracers. I dont see myself getting rolling in cash anytime soon at this rate. And now that any upgrade is like 70 mill and up makes matters even worse... QQ yeah i have to get back to sc2 too, longest break ive taken since release coz id use to at least play some games every week even with d3 out to not totally loose the touch.... im back to silver or gold now for sure, toattally out of the toss ( i bet most of us wizzsies play toss lol) metagame plus all the mechanics lost in the process. I really have to get back to it, was hoping for a beta key but i hate blizzs rng :D. I will have to get a new keyboard though, i fuking dropped water on it and some keys dont work.... cant make workers,, so no sc2 till i fix that. But yeah d3s rng is full of shit, in sc2 there is some coinflippyness but you can totally expect it or understand what happened since you were actually taking that possibility into account. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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TheMooseHeed
United Kingdom535 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheMooseHeed-2371/hero/17449637 | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:03 TheMooseHeed wrote: So I have been rocking archon for a long time and I wanna start using cm for ubers. I have 30 mil to spend but I am not sure what I will need to transition. I am thinking a good chandos set and a stormcrow. Would that be enough? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheMooseHeed-2371/hero/17449637 There are far more knowledgeable wizards in this thread that can correct me or give better tips but imo be careful dropping your tals helm if you don't get a crit storm crow - you can't afford to just lose 5.5cc and crit storm crows can get expensive. You'll need to refocus on crit chance + AS instead of crit chance + crit dam so gloves and ammy for sure and ideally you'd get crit on your zuni ring and lacunis but that's beyond your budget with you already getting a chantodo's set. Crit chance and attack speed are required for the build to function, crit damage is a bonus after that. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 16 2012 06:03 TheMooseHeed wrote: So I have been rocking archon for a long time and I wanna start using cm for ubers. I have 30 mil to spend but I am not sure what I will need to transition. I am thinking a good chandos set and a stormcrow. Would that be enough? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TheMooseHeed-2371/hero/17449637 i recently was in the same situation. just bought a chantodo set (wand with socket for 3m, crappy source with 9aoc 8m) and a socket stormcrow for 2 m or so. can solo ubers ~mp6-7 and tank in uber groups around mp8. didnt try much solo farmruns as cm since its so awfully slow.as archon i can blast through 3 mp5 runs in the time 1mp8 cm run takes | ||
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zedrOne
France471 Posts
Is it just me, or are frostburn gauntlets ridiculously good? don't tell other people, they are so cheap ! the damage on ice spell is great, but as it doesnt show in the dps screen, people dont even try them =)) | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 16 2012 21:27 zedrOne wrote: don't tell other people, they are so cheap ! the damage on ice spell is great, but as it doesnt show in the dps screen, people dont even try them =)) dont see whats good about them. they are about -40k dmg for me + the life and resistance loss. all that to gain an extra 25% dmg for a limited ice build that is subpar to begin with? dont really see the point. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 17 2012 08:32 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: dont see whats good about them. they are about -40k dmg for me + the life and resistance loss. all that to gain an extra 25% dmg for a limited ice build that is subpar to begin with? dont really see the point. Well as far as DPS works...the DPS screen doesn't always explain/show proper amount of dps. Let's use black weapon + trium for instance. D3 dps doesn't take into account the 7% elemental etc. Also w/ stormcrow the 7% lightning, Also w/ zuni doesn't take into account the 7% poison. You would need to use d3up or an actual proper dps calculator to calculate it up properly, or somewhat of a middle school degree in math. For instance CM/WW Build. 150k dps @ 2.5aps vs 110k dps @ 3.01 Clearly on paper dps it makes sense, the 150k dps user actually does more damage over time? False. Because of proc rate and amount of ticks / explosions / tornadoes the 110k dps user wins by a complete long shot. This is the same overall for WW barbs. As stated paper dps doesnt take into account the 25% ice dmg. Which is a main reason why you see high end barbs infact using 30% SOJ w/ 5-6% cold dmg over any ring. Now they're not saying frostburn's are the ultimate end gear gloves. But for the price because people focus merely on paper dps which in turn is actually irrelevant at most cases on the high end gear. It's fairly cheap for the actual damage increase it provides. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On November 17 2012 08:57 jESUIT wrote: Well as far as DPS works...the DPS screen doesn't always explain/show proper amount of dps. Let's use black weapon + trium for instance. D3 dps doesn't take into account the 7% elemental etc. Also w/ stormcrow the 7% lightning, Also w/ zuni doesn't take into account the 7% poison. You would need to use d3up or an actual proper dps calculator to calculate it up properly, or somewhat of a middle school degree in math. For instance CM/WW Build. 150k dps @ 2.5aps vs 110k dps @ 3.01 Clearly on paper dps it makes sense, the 150k dps user actually does more damage over time? False. Because of proc rate and amount of ticks / explosions / tornadoes the 110k dps user wins by a complete long shot. This is the same overall for WW barbs. As stated paper dps doesnt take into account the 25% ice dmg. Which is a main reason why you see high end barbs infact using 30% SOJ w/ 5-6% cold dmg over any ring. Now they're not saying frostburn's are the ultimate end gear gloves. But for the price because people focus merely on paper dps which in turn is actually irrelevant at most cases on the high end gear. It's fairly cheap for the actual damage increase it provides. mmhh? the elemental dmg of trium etc show up, pretty damn sure about that. the cm example is something that is based on a very special mechanic. in general more chardps = more dmg with i90% of builds. and yeah ofc the 30% helps alot and in case of soj its simple since its overall dmg. but show me a build thats good and boosts your whole dmg by 30% of the frostburns? ray of frost,blizzard,frost hydra? and nowadays you can get damn good dmg gloves for 1m if you dont insist on vit and/or allres. | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 17 2012 09:09 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: mmhh? the elemental dmg of trium etc show up, pretty damn sure about that. the cm example is something that is based on a very special mechanic. in general more chardps = more dmg with i90% of builds. and yeah ofc the 30% helps alot and in case of soj its simple since its overall dmg. but show me a build thats good and boosts your whole dmg by 30% of the frostburns? ray of frost,blizzard,frost hydra? and nowadays you can get damn good dmg gloves for 1m if you dont insist on vit and/or allres. The Red-Headed Stepchild: Adds X% to Elemental Damage I left this affix out of the previous calculations because D3 treats the Adds X% to Elemental Damage affix much differently than it treats the +X% Damage affix. I had to do a lot of research to figure out what the game was doing, and I believe it deserves its own section. It was just too complicated to incorporate into the earlier sections, which are intensive enough without the anomalies. Let’s consider Schaefer’s Hammer, which always rolls a boost to lightning damage. Here’s the version I keep in my stash: Tooltip DPS: 1,081.4 Tooltip damage range: 875–1290 Tooltip attack speed: 1.00 +224–578 Lightning Damage Adds 8% to Lightning Damage Increases Attack Speed by 11% Your gut might tell you that the Adds 8% to Lightning Damage affix is the elemental version of the +X% Damage and that you can simply work backward to determine the weapon’s base damage by modifying the method we used earlier. Well, that’s reasonable—hey, that’s the first thing I tried, too—but it’s wrong. The Adds X% to Elemental Damage affix doesn’t have anything to do with elemental damage in that sense. It’s actually a super-charged “black damage” modifier. Unlike the weapon-specific +X% Damage affix, however, it is not used to calculate your tooltip damage range. The base damage range of the hammer in this example is just what you would expect if the Adds 8% to Lightning Damage wasn’t even there—it has a base damage of 651–712 and lightning damage of 224–578. The average damage per hit is (875 + 1,290) divided by 2, or 1,082.5. The weapon’s base attack speed is 0.90, which is then multiplied by 1.11 to account for the 11% IAS bonus. This produces a final attack speed of 0.999, which is then multiplied by the 1,082.5 damage per hit to produce a DPS of 1,081.4175 and a rounded tooltip DPS of 1,081.4, which matches what I see in the character sheet. When calculating your character sheet DPS, however, D3 handles this weapon’s affixes (and your gear affixes) quite differently. For starters, the elemental damage bonus is applied to your base damage—the weapon’s “black damage”—which means that it applies only to the 651–712 portion of the weapon’s tooltip range, not the lightning damage like most (sensible) people would expect. This is similar to the +X% Damage affix in that it applies only to the weapon’s base damage, but it is different in that the +X% Damage affix, unlike the Adds X% to Elemental Damage affix, is included in your tooltip DPS. Remember when I said that this affix is “super-charged”? Well, that’s because the elemental damage bonus is applied to any +X Minimum Damage, +X Maximum Damage, and +X–Y Damage affixes on your gear. This is very different from the way the game treats a weapon’s +X% Damage affix, which does not apply to your gear affixes. Using these rules, I can correctly calculate my character sheet DPS of 25,032.60 with the following equipment: Schaefer’s Hammer: 875–1290 tooltip damage range 1.00 tooltip APS (actually 0.90 with the +11% modifier applied) +224–578 Lightning Damage Adds 8% to Lightning Damage Increases Attack Speed by 11% Ring #1: +25 Minimum Damage Increases Attack Speed by 7% Ring #2: +34 Maximum Damage Amulet: +24–56 Damage Increases Attack Speed by 9% The real damage per hit, to use another calculation method, is the base damage (including rings) multiplied by 1.08 plus the lightning damage. Base damage per hit: (651 + 712 + 25 + 34 + 24 + 56) * 1.08 / 2 = 811.08Lightning damage: (224 + 578) / 2 = 401Total damage per hit: 811.08 + 401 = 1,212.08 The weapon’s real attack speed, with the Enchantress’s Focused Mind skill active, is 1.19364: 0.90 (base AS) x 1.11 (+11% IAS on weapon) = 0.999 + 0.03 (Enchantress buff) = 1.029 x 1.16 (+7% IAS on ring #1 and +9% IAS on amulet) = 1.19364 So the weapon’s real DPS is 1,212.08 damage per attack times 1.19364 attacks per second, or 1,446.7871712. Next, we multiply this figure by 1 plus DEX divided by 100. My DEX is 1,337 with this weapon equipped, so: 1,446.7871712 DPS x (1 + 1,337 / 100) = 20,790.331650144 Finally, we need to account for my 26.5% CHC and my 77% CHD, which entails multiplying the 20K-ish figure by (1 + 0.265 x 0.77), or 1.20405. 20,790.331650144 x 1.20405 = 25,032.59882335588 D3 rounds this figure to the nearest hundredth, which accounts for the 25,032.60 I see in my character sheet with this setup. Is this a bug? I don’t know. The game is consistently inconsistent, I’ll give it that much. All I know is that this is definitely how it works. Source: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004456313#new-post | ||
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jESUIT
United States151 Posts
On November 17 2012 09:09 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: mmhh? the elemental dmg of trium etc show up, pretty damn sure about that. the cm example is something that is based on a very special mechanic. in general more chardps = more dmg with i90% of builds. and yeah ofc the 30% helps alot and in case of soj its simple since its overall dmg. but show me a build thats good and boosts your whole dmg by 30% of the frostburns? ray of frost,blizzard,frost hydra? and nowadays you can get damn good dmg gloves for 1m if you dont insist on vit and/or allres. Sorry for long post just that was the most in depth article I found lol | ||
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