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alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 12 2012 19:00 GMT
#4101
Charger, the only thing I would say is look into lacuni's with crit prices. They have come down a lot and should be within your budget. If you want to boost your dps, Zunimassa's boots are the next logical upgrade, but they are pricey with AR, which you really want.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
November 12 2012 19:06 GMT
#4102
On November 13 2012 04:00 alQahira wrote:
Charger, the only thing I would say is look into lacuni's with crit prices. They have come down a lot and should be within your budget. If you want to boost your dps, Zunimassa's boots are the next logical upgrade, but they are pricey with AR, which you really want.


I've been looking for some crit lacunis but I don't feel like I can afford to drop that all res on them atm. Is there another piece I can make up that all res that wouldn't cost a fortune?
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 12 2012 19:51 GMT
#4103
Well, you can't make up the AR since you're basically full other than pants, but you can definitely make up the EHP loss. Your boots have no vit, and if you're not wedded to firewalkers you can get rare boots with 150+ int, 50+ vit, 70+ AR and movespeed for dirt cheap (5 million or less).

Also, your vile ward doesn't have vit, and those have also come down a lot in price. I think you could get similar stats + 80 vit for around 8 million?

Then you could use the EHP gain from those two slots to take an EHP hit for the crit lacunis. Or just go without int on them. I think you can find vit + some AR + crit for reasonable prices.



Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 00:53:21
November 12 2012 20:08 GMT
#4104
On November 13 2012 04:51 alQahira wrote:
Well, you can't make up the AR since you're basically full other than pants, but you can definitely make up the EHP loss. Your boots have no vit, and if you're not wedded to firewalkers you can get rare boots with 150+ int, 50+ vit, 70+ AR and movespeed for dirt cheap (5 million or less).

Also, your vile ward doesn't have vit, and those have also come down a lot in price. I think you could get similar stats + 80 vit for around 8 million?

Then you could use the EHP gain from those two slots to take an EHP hit for the crit lacunis. Or just go without int on them. I think you can find vit + some AR + crit for reasonable prices.





EHP is so confusing to me :|

So if I got ~200 vit from shoulders, boots, and lacuni's, you think I could take a 60-75 all res hit?

edit - I'm not asking you to go to d3up or diabloprogress for me and calculate it out, I can do that myself given the time to do so. Just looking for a gut impression.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
solsken
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden182 Posts
November 12 2012 20:40 GMT
#4105
What is the HC wizard trend for builds right now?
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
November 12 2012 21:31 GMT
#4106
Isn't it still blizz/hydra?
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 02:02:14
November 13 2012 00:53 GMT
#4107
On November 13 2012 05:08 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 04:51 alQahira wrote:
Well, you can't make up the AR since you're basically full other than pants, but you can definitely make up the EHP loss. Your boots have no vit, and if you're not wedded to firewalkers you can get rare boots with 150+ int, 50+ vit, 70+ AR and movespeed for dirt cheap (5 million or less).

Also, your vile ward doesn't have vit, and those have also come down a lot in price. I think you could get similar stats + 80 vit for around 8 million?

Then you could use the EHP gain from those two slots to take an EHP hit for the crit lacunis. Or just go without int on them. I think you can find vit + some AR + crit for reasonable prices.





EHP is so confusing to me :|

So if I got ~200 vit from shoulders, boots, and lacuni's, you think I could take a 60-75 all res hit?

edit - I'm not asking you to go to d3up or diabloprogress for me and calculate it out, I can do that myself given the time to do so. Just looking for a gut impression.


Just a thought - what is the goal for crit chance to stop using pinpoint barrier? I could probably completely drop the all res if I could switch to prismatic armor. Is 48%cc enough with 2.61 aps (no scoundrel)?

I could also switch the diamond skin to the rune for extra damage absorption maybe?

edit - Of course the more I think about it, if I do the switch I'd actually end up equal to where I was (assuming 4%cc lacunis), maybe 20 more all res but thats not worth the cost.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
November 13 2012 01:31 GMT
#4108
On November 13 2012 02:04 Charger wrote:
I think I got my wiz to a pretty good place that I'm happy with but does anything stand out to the TL wiz experts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424110

2.61 aps / 49.5cc with pinpoint


What is your survivability like with 300 AR? Seems rather low to me.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 01:45:01
November 13 2012 01:42 GMT
#4109
On November 13 2012 10:31 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 02:04 Charger wrote:
I think I got my wiz to a pretty good place that I'm happy with but does anything stand out to the TL wiz experts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424110

2.61 aps / 49.5cc with pinpoint


What is your survivability like with 300 AR? Seems rather low to me.


My AR is 520 unbuffed atm. Armory doesn't factor in int=AR. I just did MP7 ubers with no deaths with an average group. It takes some key teleporting to survive leoric and magdha but it seems ok. I've done up to 9 but had a few deaths. Pretty much gotta catch all of leorics power walks in time or it's GG.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
November 13 2012 04:10 GMT
#4110
There is no definition of "enough", it is whatever feels best to you. Try dropping pinpoint barrier for spectral with your existing setup and see how it feels. As to vit/AR, on my character 1.3 points of vitality equal 1 point of AR, but I have a bit more AR than you, so it is probably 1.5 vit for you. However, it's not quite an equal comparison since your rate of damage vs lifegain is affected by AR, whereas vitality just gives you a bigger health pool while not affecting the rate of damage you take.

Anyway, if you can sub 2-1 vit for AR, then you will probably feel it is about equivalent. For any normal hits, vitality is a fine substitute for AR, but just remember that for things like sustaining through ghom's poison, or desecrator, or things like that losing AR will hurt your sustainability a bit.

Also, apparently prices haven't fallen as much as I thought. I guess I just lucked out on my int+vit+crit chance bracers for 11 million. But regardless of if you get lacuni's with crit or not, you'll get a big survivability boost by adding vit to your boots and shoulders.

On November 13 2012 09:53 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 05:08 Charger wrote:
On November 13 2012 04:51 alQahira wrote:
Well, you can't make up the AR since you're basically full other than pants, but you can definitely make up the EHP loss. Your boots have no vit, and if you're not wedded to firewalkers you can get rare boots with 150+ int, 50+ vit, 70+ AR and movespeed for dirt cheap (5 million or less).

Also, your vile ward doesn't have vit, and those have also come down a lot in price. I think you could get similar stats + 80 vit for around 8 million?

Then you could use the EHP gain from those two slots to take an EHP hit for the crit lacunis. Or just go without int on them. I think you can find vit + some AR + crit for reasonable prices.





EHP is so confusing to me :|

So if I got ~200 vit from shoulders, boots, and lacuni's, you think I could take a 60-75 all res hit?

edit - I'm not asking you to go to d3up or diabloprogress for me and calculate it out, I can do that myself given the time to do so. Just looking for a gut impression.


Just a thought - what is the goal for crit chance to stop using pinpoint barrier? I could probably completely drop the all res if I could switch to prismatic armor. Is 48%cc enough with 2.61 aps (no scoundrel)?

I could also switch the diamond skin to the rune for extra damage absorption maybe?

edit - Of course the more I think about it, if I do the switch I'd actually end up equal to where I was (assuming 4%cc lacunis), maybe 20 more all res but thats not worth the cost.

Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
November 13 2012 05:20 GMT
#4111
On November 13 2012 13:10 alQahira wrote:
There is no definition of "enough", it is whatever feels best to you. Try dropping pinpoint barrier for spectral with your existing setup and see how it feels. As to vit/AR, on my character 1.3 points of vitality equal 1 point of AR, but I have a bit more AR than you, so it is probably 1.5 vit for you. However, it's not quite an equal comparison since your rate of damage vs lifegain is affected by AR, whereas vitality just gives you a bigger health pool while not affecting the rate of damage you take.

Anyway, if you can sub 2-1 vit for AR, then you will probably feel it is about equivalent. For any normal hits, vitality is a fine substitute for AR, but just remember that for things like sustaining through ghom's poison, or desecrator, or things like that losing AR will hurt your sustainability a bit.

Also, apparently prices haven't fallen as much as I thought. I guess I just lucked out on my int+vit+crit chance bracers for 11 million. But regardless of if you get lacuni's with crit or not, you'll get a big survivability boost by adding vit to your boots and shoulders.

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 09:53 Charger wrote:
On November 13 2012 05:08 Charger wrote:
On November 13 2012 04:51 alQahira wrote:
Well, you can't make up the AR since you're basically full other than pants, but you can definitely make up the EHP loss. Your boots have no vit, and if you're not wedded to firewalkers you can get rare boots with 150+ int, 50+ vit, 70+ AR and movespeed for dirt cheap (5 million or less).

Also, your vile ward doesn't have vit, and those have also come down a lot in price. I think you could get similar stats + 80 vit for around 8 million?

Then you could use the EHP gain from those two slots to take an EHP hit for the crit lacunis. Or just go without int on them. I think you can find vit + some AR + crit for reasonable prices.





EHP is so confusing to me :|

So if I got ~200 vit from shoulders, boots, and lacuni's, you think I could take a 60-75 all res hit?

edit - I'm not asking you to go to d3up or diabloprogress for me and calculate it out, I can do that myself given the time to do so. Just looking for a gut impression.


Just a thought - what is the goal for crit chance to stop using pinpoint barrier? I could probably completely drop the all res if I could switch to prismatic armor. Is 48%cc enough with 2.61 aps (no scoundrel)?

I could also switch the diamond skin to the rune for extra damage absorption maybe?

edit - Of course the more I think about it, if I do the switch I'd actually end up equal to where I was (assuming 4%cc lacunis), maybe 20 more all res but thats not worth the cost.



Thanks for all the help

I got some vit on my shoulders and got some gloves with AR (had to drop 20% cd but oh well) and now I'm going to buy some crit lacunis so I'm essentially only trading 20% cd for 3-4 cc which is fine by me.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 13 2012 14:54 GMT
#4112
On November 13 2012 02:04 Charger wrote:
I think I got my wiz to a pretty good place that I'm happy with but does anything stand out to the TL wiz experts?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424110

2.61 aps / 49.5cc with pinpoint



All gravy you went w/ the socketed chantodos Will but I disagree with that option. I prefer the IAS wand w/ 1.76 attacks per second. BECAUSE since you are only @ 2.61 aps you arent at the optimal breakpoint for the build which is 2.74 so you need to be as close to that or IDEALLY over... Other then that you just need to squeeze in some more cc, so you can drop the pinpoint and go for Prismatic for higher MP levels..The extra UMPH is always really helpful..even an extra 100 resis you can drastically notice it in survivability.
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 17:24:03
November 13 2012 17:17 GMT
#4113
i have to agree with jesuit ias wills are the way to go until you manage to stack enough ias on other places where you can switch to a socketed will and keep the aps breakpoint. I didnt switch to a 1.65 socket will till i had 67% ias stacked... now i even have 1% of ias spare i could lower for one of the next jewelry or gloves upgrades to gain more dps or ehp.

PS: guys dont use garbage energy armour for cm, use shocking aspect its the biggest dps increase i bet you have the mitigation for it. If u dont for the higher mps switch wormhole for fracture and see how your ehp shoots up and makes it viable. The only time i use energy armour is if im doing high mp uber runs, then i switch to force armour and with our ias-> loh its back to god mode... well except for the arcane sentries and twisters which are dots.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#4114
On November 14 2012 02:17 ximae wrote:
PS: guys dont use garbage energy armour for cm, use shocking aspect its the biggest dps increase i bet you have the mitigation for it. If u dont for the higher mps switch wormhole for fracture and see how your ehp shoots up and makes it viable. The only time i use energy armour is if im doing high mp uber runs, then i switch to force armour and with our ias-> loh its back to god mode... well except for the arcane sentries and twisters which are dots.


Yea Storm Armor/Shocking Aspect and diamond shards are the way to go if you have enough mitigation. I like using pinpoint for mp8+ Ubers unless I totally trust my group in which case I'll use SA on mp8 ubers. Really, SK and Magda are the only problem (I'd use Storm Armor vs the other pairs in a heartbeat) and I find that, while Force Armor works great, it slows everything down as it provides no offensive boost whatsoever. Pinpoint + high armor/AR works fine vs all ubers.

I also prefer Safe Passage to Fracture vs Ubers. Porting allows me to tank that nasty combo damage from Mag's bugs and a sentry at the same time.
Mercurial#1193
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 13 2012 18:08 GMT
#4115
On November 13 2012 23:54 jESUIT wrote:
All gravy you went w/ the socketed chantodos Will but I disagree with that option. I prefer the IAS wand w/ 1.76 attacks per second. BECAUSE since you are only @ 2.61 aps you arent at the optimal breakpoint for the build which is 2.74 so you need to be as close to that or IDEALLY over... Other then that you just need to squeeze in some more cc, so you can drop the pinpoint and go for Prismatic for higher MP levels..The extra UMPH is always really helpful..even an extra 100 resis you can drastically notice it in survivability.


I prefer the socketed Chant's but it does usually require a sacrifice of EHP on some other piece of gear or a sacrifice of APOC on the helm (which a lot of high end wiz are doing anyway by going with CC Mempos). It's expensive, but getting 9% IAS on 7 slots w/o an IAS Chant's allows one to hit 2.74 with enchantress.

However, I do like throwing on an IAS Chant's for high-MP-Uber battles to even out the stutter-freeze. At 3+ APS and 65 CC, we can come close to the pre-1.05 glory days of perma-freeze. But doing so, I sacrifice too much dps to make this a viable farming option. I stick with the 2.73 breakpoint for general farming.
Mercurial#1193
ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
November 13 2012 18:59 GMT
#4116
On November 14 2012 03:03 skatbone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 02:17 ximae wrote:
PS: guys dont use garbage energy armour for cm, use shocking aspect its the biggest dps increase i bet you have the mitigation for it. If u dont for the higher mps switch wormhole for fracture and see how your ehp shoots up and makes it viable. The only time i use energy armour is if im doing high mp uber runs, then i switch to force armour and with our ias-> loh its back to god mode... well except for the arcane sentries and twisters which are dots.


Yea Storm Armor/Shocking Aspect and diamond shards are the way to go if you have enough mitigation. I like using pinpoint for mp8+ Ubers unless I totally trust my group in which case I'll use SA on mp8 ubers. Really, SK and Magda are the only problem (I'd use Storm Armor vs the other pairs in a heartbeat) and I find that, while Force Armor works great, it slows everything down as it provides no offensive boost whatsoever. Pinpoint + high armor/AR works fine vs all ubers.

I also prefer Safe Passage to Fracture vs Ubers. Porting allows me to tank that nasty combo damage from Mag's bugs and a sentry at the same time.


yeah if i soloed i would probably just do the mp i could do with sa, but since i always group the uber runs so all friends get a chance at ring parts, i do with force and focus my skillset for best freezelock not dps. Mostly coz we are chatting while playing so im not in such a hurry and let them dps and specially becuase since im carying them if i die we all die, so i rather stay alive.

fracture i use for key farming not ubers, so i can roll on mp10 with just 600 ar, 4.4k armour and 33k hp.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 13 2012 19:12 GMT
#4117
Yea, I hate dying. Especially in groups. And like you, I chat if I know the people I am running with so I, too, would rather focus on surviving rather than DPS. I'll freeze and they can do the DPS.

That said, freeze wizard is not especially conducive to chatting what with all the button smashing going on.
Mercurial#1193
jESUIT
Profile Joined October 2012
United States151 Posts
November 13 2012 19:15 GMT
#4118
On November 14 2012 04:12 skatbone wrote:
Yea, I hate dying. Especially in groups. And like you, I chat if I know the people I am running with so I, too, would rather focus on surviving rather than DPS. I'll freeze and they can do the DPS.

That said, freeze wizard is not especially conducive to chatting what with all the button smashing going on.



use a script....I generally fall asleep doing ubers =/ I just hold "A" and it spams 123 10x in 1 second. It's very convienent
200k dps CM/WW Wiz https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ZyceR-1205/hero/23962323 // GM Protoss
ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
November 13 2012 19:34 GMT
#4119
i set up a macro on one of my mouse buttons, just pincer my mouse holding down scroll button (shift + mouse 1) + a side button which is a continuous 1, 2, 3 at 50ms intervals or so.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 13 2012 20:53 GMT
#4120
xiame, I recognize your name from the D3-Bnet-Wiz forums.

I'm Mercurial over there...one of a few Mercurial's. Not to be confused with the barb Mercurial.
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