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On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:On October 29 2012 23:55 Yttrasil wrote:Easy, a triumvirate. Going to give you basically a pure 20% damage increase or similar since they way it works, very well with your current weapon and get it with ap on crit ofc, min damage more important than max damage on it. Secondly as you run cc/cm I'd get blackthorne pants and a stormcrow as they both have loh, you'll gain 900 loh just like that and stormcrow gives 8% dmg increase in the same way as triumvirate. After that, you should get rings as person above said, very easy and cheap to get better ones, or one while you get hellfire ring. Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno.
So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here.
3.00% LS @ 200k dps
200,000 x .03 = 6,000
6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800
6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200
So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable.
3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS.
Edit: That's why LoH is more viable for CM Build because usually CM build is harder to get up into the high dps tier.
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On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:On October 29 2012 23:55 Yttrasil wrote:Easy, a triumvirate. Going to give you basically a pure 20% damage increase or similar since they way it works, very well with your current weapon and get it with ap on crit ofc, min damage more important than max damage on it. Secondly as you run cc/cm I'd get blackthorne pants and a stormcrow as they both have loh, you'll gain 900 loh just like that and stormcrow gives 8% dmg increase in the same way as triumvirate. After that, you should get rings as person above said, very easy and cheap to get better ones, or one while you get hellfire ring. Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS.
he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful?
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On October 31 2012 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:On October 29 2012 23:55 Yttrasil wrote:Easy, a triumvirate. Going to give you basically a pure 20% damage increase or similar since they way it works, very well with your current weapon and get it with ap on crit ofc, min damage more important than max damage on it. Secondly as you run cc/cm I'd get blackthorne pants and a stormcrow as they both have loh, you'll gain 900 loh just like that and stormcrow gives 8% dmg increase in the same way as triumvirate. After that, you should get rings as person above said, very easy and cheap to get better ones, or one while you get hellfire ring. Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS. he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful? you also did your math wrong. its 80% reducation (i.e., you get 20%, not 80%).
o.O??? I gave 20% not 80%
6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200
6,000 is the LS on 200k dps. 4,800(80% on NERF) - 100% - 80% = 20% ........
edit: Had I of added incorrectly...and had I given myself 80% i would have 4,800 life steal after nerf.. not 1,200 like I said lol. So no the math is not wrong..
I was just referring to your comment on saying LS sucks anyways that's all. At his level yes LoH is more correct.
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On October 31 2012 06:29 jESUIT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:On October 29 2012 23:55 Yttrasil wrote:
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Easy, a triumvirate. Going to give you basically a pure 20% damage increase or similar since they way it works, very well with your current weapon and get it with ap on crit ofc, min damage more important than max damage on it. Secondly as you run cc/cm I'd get blackthorne pants and a stormcrow as they both have loh, you'll gain 900 loh just like that and stormcrow gives 8% dmg increase in the same way as triumvirate. After that, you should get rings as person above said, very easy and cheap to get better ones, or one while you get hellfire ring. Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS. he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful? you also did your math wrong. its 80% reducation (i.e., you get 20%, not 80%). o.O??? I gave 20% not 80% 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 6,000 is the LS on 200k dps. 4,800(80% on NERF) - 100% - 80% = 20% ........ I was just referring to your comment on saying LS sucks anyways that's all. At his level yes LoH is more correct.
yes, i edited that out before you posted. i was confused why you multipled by .8 instead of .2. regardless, you told him to get life steal, not LOH, so i am not sure why you are backtracking now.
Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%
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On October 31 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:29 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:
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Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS. he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful? you also did your math wrong. its 80% reducation (i.e., you get 20%, not 80%). o.O??? I gave 20% not 80% 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 6,000 is the LS on 200k dps. 4,800(80% on NERF) - 100% - 80% = 20% ........ I was just referring to your comment on saying LS sucks anyways that's all. At his level yes LoH is more correct. yes, i edited that out before you posted. i was confused why you multipled by .8 instead of .2. regardless, you told him to get life steal, not LOH, so i am not sure why you are backtracking now. Show nested quote +Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%
Well my mistake then. FOR LOWER then 100k dps archon users. (Go for life on hit, try to aim above 600+) But eventually when you make it to higher it's more efficient for Lifesteal weapons =]. There ^^ sorry for the mixups and confusion.
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Not to muddy the waters more or anything, but if your paper dps is 200k, you are actually doing WAY more than that, and lifesteal works off of the damage that you are actually doing. Archon beam attack is 325% weapon damage I think, so you are actually doing 650k per sec, so you are getting back 3900 life per sec. Also, LoH is affected by the proc coefficient, so for example on an archon beam I believe it is around 35%, so you are getting the equivalent of almost 12,000 LoH with 200k dps and 3% lifesteal.
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ok eq decision, get zuni chest for 2set bonus and high ar or tal rasha for useless 2set bonus and the ias?
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On October 31 2012 12:08 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
ok eq decision, get zuni chest for 2set bonus and high ar or tal rasha for useless 2set bonus and the ias?
Depends...on your personal decision...Would you rather go more defensive?? or more dps? If you have the cash you can get a bomb Tal rasha chest w/ IAS + AR.... the zuni bonus is nice but it's more defensive atleast.
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On October 31 2012 22:51 jESUIT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 12:08 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
ok eq decision, get zuni chest for 2set bonus and high ar or tal rasha for useless 2set bonus and the ias? Depends...on your personal decision...Would you rather go more defensive?? or more dps? If you have the cash you can get a bomb Tal rasha chest w/ IAS + AR.... the zuni bonus is nice but it's more defensive atleast.
mmhh think ill need a spreadsheet to compare 130int vs 8ias...
also since at one point ill get a witching hour and trifecta ring im not sure if that much ias is that good vs all the def stats im bound to lose
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On October 31 2012 23:51 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 22:51 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 12:08 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
ok eq decision, get zuni chest for 2set bonus and high ar or tal rasha for useless 2set bonus and the ias? Depends...on your personal decision...Would you rather go more defensive?? or more dps? If you have the cash you can get a bomb Tal rasha chest w/ IAS + AR.... the zuni bonus is nice but it's more defensive atleast. mmhh think ill need a spreadsheet to compare 130int vs 8ias... also since at one point ill get a witching hour and trifecta ring im not sure if that much ias is that good vs all the def stats im bound to lose
Well as stated before...if you HAVE the money you can get a Witching Hour w/ the same stats u want since they all come w/ ias + crit dmg...you can get AR + int on a Witching hour it's just crazy expensive... same w/ a trifecta ring...so you DONT have to sacrafice anything if you don't have money...but if you were looking to go a cheaper route? I would say even a Tyraels Might is not bad for a defensive setup.
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On November 01 2012 03:50 jESUIT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 23:51 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:On October 31 2012 22:51 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 12:08 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
ok eq decision, get zuni chest for 2set bonus and high ar or tal rasha for useless 2set bonus and the ias? Depends...on your personal decision...Would you rather go more defensive?? or more dps? If you have the cash you can get a bomb Tal rasha chest w/ IAS + AR.... the zuni bonus is nice but it's more defensive atleast. mmhh think ill need a spreadsheet to compare 130int vs 8ias... also since at one point ill get a witching hour and trifecta ring im not sure if that much ias is that good vs all the def stats im bound to lose Well as stated before...if you HAVE the money you can get a Witching Hour w/ the same stats u want since they all come w/ ias + crit dmg...you can get AR + int on a Witching hour it's just crazy expensive... same w/ a trifecta ring...so you DONT have to sacrafice anything if you don't have money...but if you were looking to go a cheaper route? I would say even a Tyraels Might is not bad for a defensive setup.
well ill have around 100m to spend. so a GOOD witching hour isnt in the budget. plan is to get a ring,chest and the wh for that.
i ran some tests, the 8ias would gain me ~4k more dps then the 130int bonus. not sure if thats worth more money and way less ar and hp. right now i already bought a pretty good tal rasha (165int, 80vit, 6%life,4x ar)which ill try to resell for profit. if i cant sell ill keep it anyways ~~
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On October 31 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:29 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:10 HornyHerring wrote:
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Okaj, trimvirate seems like the way too go. Not so sure about the other two recommendations. Blackthorne pants are pretty expensive and would decrease my armor, vit for a slight increase in vit and 400 loh. Is that worth 10kk+? Stormcrow seems to be the same - will surely get some dmg, but loosing AR. Are you sure that this is the way too go? i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS. he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful? you also did your math wrong. its 80% reducation (i.e., you get 20%, not 80%). o.O??? I gave 20% not 80% 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 6,000 is the LS on 200k dps. 4,800(80% on NERF) - 100% - 80% = 20% ........ I was just referring to your comment on saying LS sucks anyways that's all. At his level yes LoH is more correct. yes, i edited that out before you posted. i was confused why you multipled by .8 instead of .2. regardless, you told him to get life steal, not LOH, so i am not sure why you are backtracking now. Show nested quote +Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%
It's not too confusing once you lay it out in a super simplistic way:
-Life on hit is optimal for lower DPS. ~30-50K is lower DPS.
-Life steal is optimal for higher DPS. ~100-200K+ is higher DPS.
He's saying life steal is more optimal for archon because archon is generally pretty high DPS, unless your base DPS is straight up too low, in which case you shouldn't be running archon, period. Once your DPS is to the point where archon is a decent choice (~80-100K), you'll want to be using life steal anyway. If your DPS is so low that LOH is optimal, you shouldn't be running archon...you won't kill quickly enough to keep the 300% dmg bonus up as long.
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On October 31 2012 06:40 alQahira wrote:
Not to muddy the waters more or anything, but if your paper dps is 200k, you are actually doing WAY more than that, and lifesteal works off of the damage that you are actually doing. Archon beam attack is 325% weapon damage I think, so you are actually doing 650k per sec, so you are getting back 3900 life per sec. Also, LoH is affected by the proc coefficient, so for example on an archon beam I believe it is around 35%, so you are getting the equivalent of almost 12,000 LoH with 200k dps and 3% lifesteal.
Yeah, also if your attacks per second are hitting multiple target, your overall actual damage per second is multiplied by that much more... The archon beam has massive AOE, it's safe to say if youre running the build smoothly with ample sheet DPS you'll definitely want LS over LOH, no contest
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I started running archon "efficiently" at 71K DPS (buffed, but not in archon).
I'm now at 97K DPS, and switch to archon with teleport rune playing solo. In a group i already go too fast, so I up the DPS with the damage boost rune.
I remove 800 LOH and buy a crappy weapon with socket and 2.9 LS to make archon viable. RD champion are not doable without LS for me.
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On November 01 2012 09:46 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 06:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:29 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:21 jESUIT wrote:On October 31 2012 06:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 31 2012 06:08 jESUIT wrote:On October 30 2012 02:19 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 30 2012 02:15 HornyHerring wrote:On October 30 2012 02:12 dAPhREAk wrote:
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i'd get a weapon with crit dmg and a socket. make sure its a black weapon if you are going for a triumvirate (which i recommend as well) for full effect. And skip LS? Can I survive without it? life steal sucks anyways. you want life on hit. if you can get a good weapon with life on hit and crit dmg (think tens of millions) that would be the best. if you really want life steal, you can switch force weapon for blood magic. i would buy the triumvirate before anything else. i bought one for 1M that works real well for me. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5%, a crit dmg, socketed, LS weap may be out of your price range. But a weapon w/ around 900+ dps w/ lifesteal above 2.5-3% + crit dmg is relatively affordable...I've found lots of them for 500k and bought for friends who needed. dont forget the 80% reduction for life steal in inferno compared to the 0% reduction for life on hit in inferno. So let me get this straight. I do 200k+ dps in archon. Let's do the math here. 3.00% LS @ 200k dps 200,000 x .03 = 6,000 6,000 x .8(for your 80% inferno nerf) = 4,800 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 So I would need......1,200 life on hit....to keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon. So I would have to downgrade..Multiple pieces of gear just for life on hit. To keep up w/ just 3.00% LS on my weapon...At lower levels of DPS...sure I could see where life on hit could be more viable. 3.00% LS @ 100k dps = 600 life on hit...I would still need a weapon w/ ATLEAST 600 life on hit to keep up w/ 3.00% LS. he has 50k dps. so, want to give some advice thats useful? you also did your math wrong. its 80% reducation (i.e., you get 20%, not 80%). o.O??? I gave 20% not 80% 6,000(LS) - 4,800(NERF) = 1,200 6,000 is the LS on 200k dps. 4,800(80% on NERF) - 100% - 80% = 20% ........ I was just referring to your comment on saying LS sucks anyways that's all. At his level yes LoH is more correct. yes, i edited that out before you posted. i was confused why you multipled by .8 instead of .2. regardless, you told him to get life steal, not LOH, so i am not sure why you are backtracking now. Hmmm life on hit is NOT the way to go for archon build...Def go life steal try and aim for above 2.5% It's not too confusing once you lay it out in a super simplistic way: -Life on hit is optimal for lower DPS. ~30-50K is lower DPS. -Life steal is optimal for higher DPS. ~100-200K+ is higher DPS. He's saying life steal is more optimal for archon because archon is generally pretty high DPS, unless your base DPS is straight up too low, in which case you shouldn't be running archon, period. Once your DPS is to the point where archon is a decent choice (~80-100K), you'll want to be using life steal anyway. If your DPS is so low that LOH is optimal, you shouldn't be running archon...you won't kill quickly enough to keep the 300% dmg bonus up as long.
well, i dont disagree with that simplified analysis, but its overly simplified because you arent in archon 100% of the time. living lightning (which i use to refresh archon) does low damage, lots of ticks. in that case i think high loh is better than ls because you are doing more ticks at lower damage. so, generally, if you do high burst damage, few hits then life steal is better. if you do low burst damage, high hits then loh is better.
now, if you are going to say that i shouldnt use archon builds if i cant keep the archon up for a long period of time, i would probably agree with you. =)
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Regarding the life steal vs life on hit. I was thinking this, does it make any sense?
The best way to figure out what is best is to see how much damage you do per hit. Ie, what number is displayed on the screen when you hit something.
For example, if you hit for 50k (on average), a life steal of 2.5% would give you 0.025*0.2*50k = 250 life per hit with the 80% reduction. This corresponds to a 250 LOH with a proc rate of 1, or 750 LOH with 1/3 proc rate.
In this way, you can translate between life steal and LOH, just by looking at the numbers on the screen, and multiplying/dividing by the 0.2 in inferno, and proc rate of the skill you are using. And it takes everything into account, attack speed, buffed dps, what skill you use, etc.
edit: problem is that it is not so easy to accurately estimate your average damage per hit when you are shooting numbers right and left all the time, and you use different skills with different proc rates. :/ Also added inferno 80% nerf, ty daphreak.
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On November 01 2012 11:37 Cascade wrote:
Regarding the life steal vs life on hit. I was thinking this, does it make any sense?
The best way to figure out what is best is to see how much damage you do per hit. Ie, what number is displayed on the screen when you hit something.
For example, if you hit for 10k (on average), a life steal of 2.5% would give you 0.025*10k = 250 life per hit. This corresponds to a 250 LOH with a proc rate of 1, or 750 LOH with 1/3 proc rate.
In this way, you can translate between life steal and LOH, just by looking at the numbers on the screen, and multiplying/dividing by proc rate of the skill you are using. And it takes everything into account, attack speed, buffed dps, what skill you use, etc.
edit: problem is that it is not so easy to accurately estimate your average damage per hit when you are shooting numbers right and left all the time, and you use different skills with different proc rates. :/
life steal is reduced by 80% in inferno.
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On November 01 2012 11:45 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 11:37 Cascade wrote:
Regarding the life steal vs life on hit. I was thinking this, does it make any sense?
The best way to figure out what is best is to see how much damage you do per hit. Ie, what number is displayed on the screen when you hit something.
For example, if you hit for 10k (on average), a life steal of 2.5% would give you 0.025*10k = 250 life per hit. This corresponds to a 250 LOH with a proc rate of 1, or 750 LOH with 1/3 proc rate.
In this way, you can translate between life steal and LOH, just by looking at the numbers on the screen, and multiplying/dividing by proc rate of the skill you are using. And it takes everything into account, attack speed, buffed dps, what skill you use, etc.
edit: problem is that it is not so easy to accurately estimate your average damage per hit when you are shooting numbers right and left all the time, and you use different skills with different proc rates. :/ life steal is reduced by 80% in inferno.
Right, thanks. Added. Does it make sense now? Too complicated?
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread but I need some advice how to improve my Wizard.
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Panda-2836/hero/8235918
I can run Act 1 MP 1 or Act 3 MP 0 easily but I want some upgrades in order to run something like MP 3.
Currently I have ~23 mil. gold.
Any suggestions what to upgrade first and how to make my Wizard MP3 viable ?
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