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AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 21:17:01
June 20 2012 21:16 GMT
#1821
I got 40k life, 400 allres and about 3k armor. A normal bloodclan spearman in act3 does about 8k damage per hit.
Most melee mobs deal more damage than that. I barely survive one hit of a phasbeast if im lucky.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
June 20 2012 21:32 GMT
#1822
hand crossbows are now 15 million or so on US for mid 700s with crit damage, socket and dex on it, so if you are planning on going that build for cheap, it's not an option anymore.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 22:10:27
June 20 2012 22:10 GMT
#1823
so, how do you replace nt? Im not sure yet. I personally was massively unimpressed by frost arrow, and it sucks ass against bosses. ball lightning is also kinda weak. not a big fan of spike traps or cluster arrow either.

i personally prefer the twin chakrams, although the spiral chakram is also nice.
against bosses, hungering arrow seems to be the best bet. (impale is cool, but drains hatred so quickly that it wont contribute a lot against, e.g, act bosses).

what do you use now?
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
June 20 2012 22:31 GMT
#1824
Testing Cluster Arrow with Loaded For Bear atm but I was and am still unimpressed with its range. I've been fiddling around with Multishot+Fire At Will/Suppression rune too and against mid to large numbers of mobs it feels rather strong but the sustained AoE damage is obviously a lot lower.
The cur foretells the knell of parting day; The loafing herd winds slowly o'er the lea; The wise man homeward plods; I only stay to fiddle-faddle in a minor key.
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
June 20 2012 23:57 GMT
#1825
The korean build is really fun - high mobility and since you abuse the shit out of the 1 second crit window of sharpshooter you see lots of big numbers :D
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
June 21 2012 00:05 GMT
#1826
Yeah that build from the korean guy is pretty good so far. The only thing dislike is u gotta get too close to the mobs, also cluster arrow seem to cost too much. I switched cluster to elemental arrow with frost so clear mobs a bit easier, but still not sure how to beat the boss with this build. Butcher is too easy to test. Guess I gotta try harder boss.
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 00:48:23
June 21 2012 00:46 GMT
#1827
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 100k+ dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
June 21 2012 00:48 GMT
#1828
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 96k dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)



is it still safe to say that no matter how tanky DH is now,DH can never tank in inferno regardless of how good the defensive gears are?
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
June 21 2012 00:49 GMT
#1829
On June 21 2012 09:48 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 96k dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)



is it still safe to say that no matter how tanky DH is now,DH can never tank in inferno regardless of how good the defensive gears are?


seems really pointless to me, because at a certain point, you're going to be sacrificing dps to tank, and when that happens, why even play DH? might as well play a tank class. Being able to survive just enough hits to not die before you dps stuff down is the best you can hope for imo.
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TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
June 21 2012 00:54 GMT
#1830
Also, ranged classes don't have the innate 30% damage reduction that melee classes do, so thats a pretty big handicap. Also, some of the best tank gear will severely nerf your DPS (any shield - one of the best bring stormshield that wont help you at all), string of ears, etc.
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
June 21 2012 02:13 GMT
#1831
Hi guys
I'm going to switch from 2h bow IAS build ( was 3.0 APS ) to dual 1hand xbows ( with crit dmg sockets and high dexetry one ) duo to IAS nerf in 1.03 patch. How do you guys think bout it ?
@taefoxy
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 21 2012 02:18 GMT
#1832
On June 21 2012 11:13 foxj wrote:
Hi guys
I'm going to switch from 2h bow IAS build ( was 3.0 APS ) to dual 1hand xbows ( with crit dmg sockets and high dexetry one ) duo to IAS nerf in 1.03 patch. How do you guys think bout it ?


General consensus seems to be that it's better if you're at an extremely high level of gear, but that in the meantime 2h with crit chance/damage stacking is still viable.

Honestly IAS nerf didn't hit us as hard as nether tentacles nerf. In inferno you're generally kiting around anyways, I know that IAS helps a bit but it's not too big of a deal.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 21 2012 02:33 GMT
#1833
On June 21 2012 11:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 11:13 foxj wrote:
Hi guys
I'm going to switch from 2h bow IAS build ( was 3.0 APS ) to dual 1hand xbows ( with crit dmg sockets and high dexetry one ) duo to IAS nerf in 1.03 patch. How do you guys think bout it ?


General consensus seems to be that it's better if you're at an extremely high level of gear, but that in the meantime 2h with crit chance/damage stacking is still viable.

Honestly IAS nerf didn't hit us as hard as nether tentacles nerf. In inferno you're generally kiting around anyways, I know that IAS helps a bit but it's not too big of a deal.


The price hike in hand crossbows today makes me believe people are following the new flavor without understanding why it is good. I don't think that it is worthwhile to use hand crossbows unless you are extremely geared though, especially after the premium associated with them after the build spread like wildfire. If you don't have them already, I really doubt it is worthwhile to pick them up now.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
ktang
Profile Joined September 2010
United States196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 03:21:13
June 21 2012 03:20 GMT
#1834
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 100k+ dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)


Currently watching this guy's stream right now and just curious does anyone know which rune he has paired with hunger arrow, and also which rune is he using with caltrops?
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
June 21 2012 04:51 GMT
#1835
On June 21 2012 09:49 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:48 justiceknight wrote:
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 96k dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)



is it still safe to say that no matter how tanky DH is now,DH can never tank in inferno regardless of how good the defensive gears are?


seems really pointless to me, because at a certain point, you're going to be sacrificing dps to tank, and when that happens, why even play DH? might as well play a tank class. Being able to survive just enough hits to not die before you dps stuff down is the best you can hope for imo.

The point of getting defensive gear on DH generally is to get past the point of 1 shotting and give yourself some leeway. Sure, some people might say l2dodge, but imo any build that doesn't take into account the very obvious factor of human error is weak (and the inefficiency shows when you're regularly farming a map rather than just trying to progress past it). With the newly increased repair costs and nerfed inferno, it makes even more sense now.

When the difference between tanking 1 hit means your character's life, it actually makes it MUCH more worth the investment than for a tank, imo.
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 05:01:09
June 21 2012 04:59 GMT
#1836
On June 21 2012 09:49 TheMango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:48 justiceknight wrote:
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 96k dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)



is it still safe to say that no matter how tanky DH is now,DH can never tank in inferno regardless of how good the defensive gears are?


seems really pointless to me, because at a certain point, you're going to be sacrificing dps to tank, and when that happens, why even play DH? might as well play a tank class. Being able to survive just enough hits to not die before you dps stuff down is the best you can hope for imo.


Explain to me how I should play HC DH then.

And also, I swear to god i puked inside when I saw his gear. Fuck. They really should change the DH to have a viable tanky build -_-
Stop procrastinating
TheMango
Profile Joined April 2007
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-21 05:12:53
June 21 2012 05:12 GMT
#1837
On June 21 2012 13:59 padfoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 09:49 TheMango wrote:
On June 21 2012 09:48 justiceknight wrote:
On June 21 2012 09:46 TheMango wrote:
On June 21 2012 06:11 whoso wrote:
so id like to give a nonglasscannon style a shot in this patch. are there any benchmarks for defensive values for taking hits in a2/3/4? atm im sitting at 16k life 2,1k armor and 80-144 resis which is obviously still not enough to survive most hits a2+.


There is a streamer on twitch that has 96k dps w/o sharpshooter, 45k hp, and like 5-6k armor / 5-600 all resists or something ridiculous. Even with all that, he cant exactly tank elites, but he can take a few hits here and there.

http://www.twitch.tv/nugiyen (his gear: http://i.imgur.com/Dj98D.jpg)



is it still safe to say that no matter how tanky DH is now,DH can never tank in inferno regardless of how good the defensive gears are?


seems really pointless to me, because at a certain point, you're going to be sacrificing dps to tank, and when that happens, why even play DH? might as well play a tank class. Being able to survive just enough hits to not die before you dps stuff down is the best you can hope for imo.


Explain to me how I should play HC DH then.

And also, I swear to god i puked inside when I saw his gear. Fuck. They really should change the DH to have a viable tanky build -_-


I was talking about softcore DH. Hardcore DH needs to play with a more tanky build obviously. I'm not saying go for all glass cannon either - I have 43k hp myself and take a spear throw hit with very low resists, but I still prioritize dps (100k atm w/o ss)
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 21 2012 05:27 GMT
#1838
Man, I would love to use shadow power more on DH, but 14 disc is simply too expensive to make it worthwhile.
liftlift > tsm
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
June 21 2012 05:37 GMT
#1839
On June 21 2012 01:50 TheMango wrote:
so a friend linked me this video couple days ago, pre 1.03 patch of this korean DH on the asia server not using nether at all. He does azmo runs in ~15 mins, which is about same as me and I have 2x his dps. This build should still be viable now. (he didnt have sick gear/dps - only 56k dps with sharpshooter)

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2731&l=930 - for more indepth info



Holy shiet... This is the best thing i ever saw.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
June 21 2012 05:43 GMT
#1840
On June 21 2012 14:27 wei2coolman wrote:
Man, I would love to use shadow power more on DH, but 14 disc is simply too expensive to make it worthwhile.

It's affordable if you don't run Smokescreen. I don't see it being viable running both unless you have really good + disc gear AND run Night Stalker with a good crit % AND have the Natalya 4 set bonus.
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