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On February 09 2012 05:29 NotSorry wrote:
BMPK was trash, I took so many of their ears, their triggers had absolutely nothing on WTFPK. Prided myself on being able to beat any clan's anti-hack and triple stacking firebolts with teleport to 1shot even the best geared 98-99 Hpallys/Barbs.
The issue with softcore dueling is too many people played on the fact that it was softcore and no risk of dying so they just make 1-2shot killers with no Def, HC was all about finding the perfect balance to kill anyone while remaining alive. #1 EHC dueler 3seasons in a row, everyone bowed or died before my Ama.
People who cry about losing to tppk were just bad, there were plenty of players who went many seasons without ever getting eared even when targeted by bounty hunters. I gave up 1ear since 1.10 and it was in a 8tppker lvl 1 enchanter survival game.
Taking down TPPK clans was the best, making a new account and gaining a rep as a top tppker without anyone finding out who's alt you were, getting invited to join a clan then wait for the perfect moment to pick up a triple kill on their leadership was some of the most exciting game play I've experienced in my 23years of gaming.
WTFPK was a trash clan, they were just rejects of BMPK and IceNine. Although I must admit, newschool bmpk was just a bunch of jokers. Who were you?
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Wow, everyones just a top player. I didn't know the #1 spot could be held by 50 people simultaneously.
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Hey guys, guess what, I too was pretty damn awesome at the Diablo 2 HC, and ofcourse played it exclusively since im not a pussy!
In fact I prided myself on taking on Quill rats, often 2-3 at a time, wearing nothing but a Shako, Herald, HOTO, WW, crafted belt / rings / amulet and the 20% fcr gloves... yeah thats right, NO ARMOR BITCHES!  Thats how insanely skilled I was.
In other news, HC really is mostly for people who don't have a job or school to attend, so losing items collected over a long time span doesn't matter to them.
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...why did you guys turn my thread into a place where you brag about your merits? -.-
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On February 09 2012 23:34 McNulty wrote:Hey guys, guess what, I too was pretty damn awesome at the Diablo 2 HC, and ofcourse played it exclusively since im not a pussy! In fact I prided myself on taking on Quill rats, often 2-3 at a time, wearing nothing but a Shako, Herald, HOTO, WW, crafted belt / rings / amulet and the 20% fcr gloves... yeah thats right, NO ARMOR BITCHES! Thats how insanely skilled I was. In other news, HC really is mostly for people who don't have a job or school to attend, so losing items collected over a long time span doesn't matter to them.
Not sure why everyone turned this thread into a pissing contest, but you couldn't be more wrong.
When I was a kid I played a bunch of SC characters up pretty high and got some pretty good gear, nothing special. Dropped the game until my friends wanted to play a bit when I was in highschool. We went for HC characters because we were really only going to be playing together for one night a week tops, and we wanted to see how far the 4 of us could get without anyone dying. Usually around 4-5 in the morning someone would slip, utter out a wail of despair, and fun times would be had by all recounting our adventures.
A 66 Paladin was the highest I ever got a Hardcore character because inevitably you lose them. But as long as you're not overly invested in your digital pixels (lol) it was about the journey anyways.
But yeah, keep generalizing. Makes you look oh so intelligent.
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Hello everyone. I played Diablo 2 and can tell you the truth:
Here are 3 reasons why you want to play hardcore (or why not)
1) The first reason is very simple: Adrenalin -> more risk more fun
2) Also the way of playing is very different: All your builds will aim towards Safety rather than Killspeed. So playing hardcore also changes the gameplay by quite a bit. You don't charge into rooms wihtout caution because there is no reason to be cautious when dying is not having any disadvantage besides wasting a few seconds of running again.
3) Teamplay - in Hardcore you find only good players. At least later  No one wants to die and tries to put 100% efficiency in his play - because it can be fun to optimize yourself. Good players mean they will watch their teammates. No teamplay = dead. And because bad non teamplayers will die you will have only teamplayers in Hardcore (at least later...).
-> Softcore less teamplay because it will not be bad to die ... you will see alot of solo players trying to clean the level alone.
Additional facts:
(4) nicer people - who knows the person you verbally abuse this time might kill you (not helping ) next time
(5) requires more time - more time longer fun
So you might ask why not hardcore but softcore? we invert the reasons 1-3
1) softcore: less adrenalin, you don't like being excited - play softcore
2) softcore very fast gameplay - you don't like wow? - play softcore
3) softcore no teamplay required - you want to be free and do waht you want when ever you want? - play softcore
Additional facts:
(4) softcore: no urge to be nice - frustrated? want to flame? - play softcore
(5) easy rushes 100% killspeed builds - less gameplay time. Are you a casual and have a real life? - play softcore.
Of course hardcore can be easy with good stuff and of course softcore will be very hard too and exciting. So the rules mix up Or other said lose weight in certain game stages and equip stages.. But in general and in the long term you can see the difference here!
My final reason for old Diablo2 players:
YOU CAN'T PLAYER KILL IN DIABLO 3! (xecpt arenas) This was a major problem in D2 (having to leave the game etc). Now.. I realy wish alot of fun in D3 =)
Voting:
I will play softcore (first) because I want to try out the game and don't have that much time to play. Also more knowledge in Softcore means more safety in Hardcore (later on). But I think I vote Hardcore because that's my later aim - and I think that's whaat you realy want to be voted.
Again: hardcore is hardcore so for people who have more time...
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I guess that is a pretty good summarization
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On February 09 2012 17:55 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 05:29 NotSorry wrote:
BMPK was trash, I took so many of their ears, their triggers had absolutely nothing on WTFPK. Prided myself on being able to beat any clan's anti-hack and triple stacking firebolts with teleport to 1shot even the best geared 98-99 Hpallys/Barbs.
The issue with softcore dueling is too many people played on the fact that it was softcore and no risk of dying so they just make 1-2shot killers with no Def, HC was all about finding the perfect balance to kill anyone while remaining alive. #1 EHC dueler 3seasons in a row, everyone bowed or died before my Ama.
People who cry about losing to tppk were just bad, there were plenty of players who went many seasons without ever getting eared even when targeted by bounty hunters. I gave up 1ear since 1.10 and it was in a 8tppker lvl 1 enchanter survival game.
Taking down TPPK clans was the best, making a new account and gaining a rep as a top tppker without anyone finding out who's alt you were, getting invited to join a clan then wait for the perfect moment to pick up a triple kill on their leadership was some of the most exciting game play I've experienced in my 23years of gaming. WTFPK was a trash clan, they were just rejects of BMPK and IceNine. Although I must admit, newschool bmpk was just a bunch of jokers. Who were you?
What are some of the BMPK names? When did they join the server? Certainly not from the start? I just don't remember them but if you knew some of their names maybe that would help me remember. Not sure what IceNine is either.
There was only one PK name that I remember. The rest of them I don't remember actually doing anything, but one of them was good. I can't remember his name though, PK-Mephisto? PK-M something? Also, for what it's worth, there were random people who would just put PK in their name. This guy I think was mostly out on his own. SharpLances was by far the best PK though.
I can remember when I started playing that levels in the 20's were the highest on the server. That was fun times. The
I don't remember all the names that I had. I think some of my highest chars were cowa-sexy or sexycore or sexycoreiii or something with sexy in it. At least 2 of these were top 16 when they passed on. I don't really remember my other characters name. I don't remember what my main account name was either.
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On February 09 2012 07:54 Jazzyy wrote:
The only PK I remember was SharpLances and him and I were cool. Anyone remember him?
Haha, I knew Sharp. I even dug up an old screenshot of him showing off his ear collection to me. This was pre-LoD, probably in 2001.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MpFcH.jpg)
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On February 10 2012 01:52 Doomtrain2 wrote:
I will play softcore (first) because I want to try out the game and don't have that much time to play. Also more knowledge in Softcore means more safety in Hardcore (later on). But I think I vote Hardcore because that's my later aim - and I think that's whaat you realy want to be voted.
I agree. We all have to play through softcore once before unlocking hardcore, but I'll definitely keep playing softcore after that. I'm thinking of leveling a softcore and hardcore character in tandem. Maybe start my hardcore after I beat normal on my softcore, and always stay one difficulty ahead up with the softcore until inferno so there are no surprises.
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Hardcore will not have access to the RMAH.
How do you feel about that?
Don't you want to be a part of the first blizz RMAH?
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On February 23 2012 15:34 loft wrote:
Hardcore will not have access to the RMAH.
How do you feel about that?
Don't you want to be a part of the first blizz RMAH?
Frankly RMAH might be dead already due to the way it's working out in Korea.
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If the fees are too high no one will use RMAH and just trade 3rd party anyway.
No RMAH for hardcore just means they are giving that entire mode to 3rd parties.
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cause Hardcore is for the real men !
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Yes I will play SC and HC whenever I feel like it. They r two basically different games (even though its the same). Why wouldn't you play both?
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Because it makes you feel hardcore.
You get bragging rights.
Nobody can mess with you if you PvP well.
It's just awesome overall.
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The Idea, that a long investment of time in a game has to pay off in some direct way is a quite recent one. Like gaining fake social status by showcasing characters or trophys etc. As well as the expectation to get through game content in one rush.
Not too long ago, games where just made to kill lots of time and have fun doing so. Also gamers expected their financial investment in a game to last for months instead of the now usual 10+ hours. Combine that with smaller devteams and shorter production runs and result were games that were VERY challenging.
Just think of Contra. You have to start the game from the very beginning again and again and again to beat the game eventually! Why are you doing that? Because it's a fun game to spend your time with. When you reach the final level, you can remember every previous level by heart.
The pioneering turn based RPG Rogue and it's spiritual successors were made with those concepts in mind. It would have faded in gaming history very fast without permadeath but people (re)played it for years to beat it. And Diablo (1) is a very good looking and accessible real-time variation of Rogue. While the Diablo series moved away from those roots from sequel to sequel, hardcore mode is a reminiscence of the old formula.
The other point is "emotional investment". You may realize that all your digital achievements will fade away after some time. I played my Elder Scrolls Morrowind char for 200+ hours. Of course you don't want to lose that savegame, but after some years I lost it somehow. Then I realized, that I don't have used the savegame since '04 and that it doesn't matter anyway because I still remember the good times I had playing the game!
We all have stories like that! Pokemon Master; got all 150? Battery corruption! Lvl 9X Barbarian with full Immortal Kings? Lost both B.net password and email! Even that awesome Baldurs Gate savegame you keep in your "old savegames" folder will fade sooner or later.
Hardcore chars are just like that. They die and they're deleted forever but if it was an aweseome hardcore run, you'll always remember it.
Hardcore mode is the sum off all things I said above. Diablo is a game made for hundreds of playthroughs. Lost a HC character? No big thing -> have some laughs over the hilarious way he died and start a new one - this time you'll do better. You lost the char but you propably gained some knoweldge/skill which you can apply in the new run. After all you have a good time playing the game be it character #1 or character #50.
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D3 HC won't be be as fun as D2 because blizz removed PK's.
In D2, public games were played at your own risk, you never knew when someone would turn hostile, the thrill of the hunt/being hunted is one of the most intense moments i've felt on a game.
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