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stephiso
Canada26 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:18 SC2kenjiro wrote: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this because I have some inside information on this that suggests it's acceptable if you are licenced by Blizzard to sell them. I don't see how any inside information about that is relevant. A general knowledge of contracts is enough. Relevant inside information would be content from Blizzard's agreement with the NASL, specifically whether or not Blizzard agreed that NASL can sell replays produced by their event. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:27 stephiso wrote: I'm curious to know why IdrA forfeitted for the GSL March since NASL only starts on April 11th? Any body knows why? He didn't forfeit in the GSL because of a conflict with the NASL. He forfeited because he's leaving Korea. | ||
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SC2kenjiro
11 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I don't see how any inside information about that is relevant. A general knowledge of contracts is enough. Relevant inside information would be content from Blizzard's agreement with the NASL, specifically whether or not Blizzard agreed that NASL can sell replays produced by their event. Fair enough Tyler, I do not know the details of NASL's contract with Blizzard, but I have seen one other Blizzard contract and it included provisions for selling replays, That was the relevance. | ||
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126Q;A1
Sweden517 Posts
On February 23 2011 02:33 LoLAdriankat wrote: This is the biggest thing to ever happen to the western e-sports scene. Shame on those who try to make the iNcontroL look bad without even reading about the NASL. I think you're underestimating the history of the western e-sports scene just a bit here. We'll have to wait and see how the NASL turns out, but considering it will be (largely) an online event I think it's rather optimistic to think that it will go down as having had a larger impact than, e.g. the CPL, ESL and (yeah, I know) CGS has had. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
What are the chances of you guest casting some games? Do it, I believe in you. | ||
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BridgesOut
Canada11 Posts
I'm so stoked for this, it's like Christmas. GSL is very stale (but extremely well executed) compared to even MLG "MOTHER SHIP RUSH". Also I think the team cap is a good idea, I don't care if a #6 team mate of oGs is better than some indie team underdog, the more teams the better. Imagine if the Winter olympics were just "let's take the best 100 hockey players and make them face off against each other" Yeah that would entertaining watching only Russia, Canada, and the US play the best event the olympics has to offer. The cap doesn't effect the best players either, because they'll still win if they're the best. Give your head a shake and realize the big picture, it's to build E-Sports in North America, this rule is needed. Fun will always trump skill anyways as far as profits are concerned.. Just like how entertainment trumps information on television, ie. Jersey Shore (ugh) makes a lot more money than Discovery Channels "Journey to Africa". Expect my $25 as soon as I can sign up! | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I'm pretty sure the Blizzard Marketplace would enable the sale of replays. How would that work? You share your profit from the 100 replays with the 100 players that you played against? Will every player be required to have a credit card account attached to it's battlnet account? This will never happen. | ||
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On February 23 2011 04:17 Sapphire.lux wrote: How would that work? You share your profit from the 100 replays with the 100 players that you played against? Will every player be required to have a credit card account attached to it's battlnet account? This will never happen. Whether or not its practical really isn't the point of that discussion is it? In any event, I'm looking forward to this a lot and I think I will purchase a season 1 ticket just as a pure show of support for western e-sports. I'm not really expecting to get my money's worth for the first season, or at least am expecting that it won't go as smoothly as I'd want for that money. I'll look at it like an investment though, and worst case scenario, I'm out 25 bucks, which in the grand scheme of things isn't such a huge deal. | ||
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Nysze
United States111 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On February 23 2011 04:17 Sapphire.lux wrote: How would that work? You share your profit from the 100 replays with the 100 players that you played against? Will every player be required to have a credit card account attached to it's battlnet account? This will never happen. “As you can imagine there is an immense number of challenges for us to overcome. We’re trying to deal with those issues." - Browder But rest assured that you being unable to imagine how something works is not proof of its impossibility. On February 23 2011 03:58 Gentso wrote: Tyler, I can tell you're excited for the NASL. I am, too. Disregarding any production value/casters/blahblahetc.. I think the fact that we're getting live 5x a week pro on pro action is simply amazing. What are the chances of you guest casting some games? Do it, I believe in you. Thanks for the interest, but probably low chances. I'm not interested in casting in general. | ||
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diesirae
United States37 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:07 SC2kenjiro wrote: I think something you're missing here is amount of content. For $10 a month on GSL you get one month of content and VODs. For $10 with MLG you get a weekend of content. For $20-25 with NASL, you get THREE MONTHS of 5-days-a-week content PLUS live casts from the Finals LAN tournament. Even if it takes the NASL folks a season or two to iron out the production bugs and improve the overall quality of their casts, this is STILL a tremendous bargain. Plus, I don't have to get up at 3 a.m. PST to watch the matches live. NO BRAINER!!! For the love of God, stop making this argument. Who cares if you get 13 years of content if the players aren't world class. You know where you can get even more content at a cheaper rate? YOUTUBE. | ||
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jharska21
Canada5 Posts
I think one thing that need to be taken into consideration is that many of the viewers that the NASL will attract are not the dedicated members of this community. They will be the bronze - silver players (such as myself) who like to watch a Husky/HD video once in a while out of convenience. They don't watch the GSL (or might not even know what it is) because it's not convenient for them to do so due to the time difference, and they don't know who the players are. And although Husky/HD do cast Korean games once in a while, the players they usually cast are the players that are going to be in this league: the HuK's, Dimaga's, TLO's, qxc's, Kiwikaki's, etc. I could tell my brother and his friends (someone who fits into this casual player group) that Boxer and Nada got an invite to the TSL3, and they wouldn't even blink because eSports in NA is too young for that to be significant. However, if I told him that HuK was going against qxc tonight, he would watch in an instant because of the familiarity of it (and also because HuK is Canadian). I guess the take home message that I'm trying to say is that I believe the NASL is going to succeed not by taking away GSL/GomTV viewer-ship, but rather by having viewers new to eSports jump on board. For that to happen, it needs to be attractive visually and entertaining quickly after the viewer learns the basics of the game. The difference in player skill between the GSL and the NASL won't be (I don't think) as big of a factor as the polish of the commentating/production quality/etc. And if those factors are going to be major ones that draw a crowd of mature and infant gamers alike, I hope that pride of this league being "grassroots" doesn't take away from the final product. I'll be watching, nevertheless. | ||
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LittleAtari
Jordan1090 Posts
Honestly guys the show match was barely a 'beta' of what's to come. They're going to be located in LA where there's a lot of talent of all levels for the production work. They just have to hire some who knows their stuff. I mean, sometimes even I look at the GSL and go 'ehh, that could look better.' Looking at how many people tuned into the show match, (at one point there were 20,000 viewers), NASL will get the viewer count, especially since it'll be more established and regular. Just wait and see. Quit acting like people don't know what they're doing ~_~ | ||
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OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
On February 23 2011 03:38 SC2kenjiro wrote: Fair enough Tyler, I do not know the details of NASL's contract with Blizzard, but I have seen one other Blizzard contract and it included provisions for selling replays, That was the relevance. Have you seen a contract for an event over $5000 total? | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On February 23 2011 04:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: “As you can imagine there is an immense number of challenges for us to overcome. We’re trying to deal with those issues." - Browder But rest assured that you being unable to imagine how something works is not proof of its impossibility. I know mate, i read the interview and that is exactly what i am saying. They have massive problems with the custom maps for the market place. The selling replays thing is 10x more "difficult" for the reasons i posted. With some kind of partnership between Blizz and TL for example, maybe there could be a way for selling custom game replays (between TL members). For the ladder though, it is impossible I. M.H.O. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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Turenne
331 Posts
On February 22 2011 11:06 ReachTheSky wrote: This is a north american starleague.......can't we just keep this to north americans? >< That would suck though - bar QXC, Huk and IdrA there would be no world-class players. Considering the incredible prize fund, this should be the absolute best of the best in SC2 worldwide - being parochial would simply deman the whole competition. Which is why this five Korean players only crap is...crap (although everything else seems brilliant). | ||
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ShatterStar
United States40 Posts
I would hope that as the seasons continue it's a more open tournament. Having to be a part of a sponsored team really takes a lot of of the drama for me as I don't come from a RTS background and the tournaments I'm used to spectating have always been more open. I personally like the drama of some newcomer coming out of nowhere and shaking up the scene. The best players will still qualify in droves but it gives a greater chance for new stories and new rivalries. As far as barring Korean players beyond a certain limit I understand the decision. This is a new venture trying to break the esports scene open in the United States. Part of that is trying to get homegrown interest--the Korean players can still come later. In North America the NHL is by far one of the least popular leagues (aside from the MLS) and it has always been due in part to the fact that a great majority of the league is foreign. These players don't resonate with fans as immediately as a kid they watched coming up through the ranks and they also can't do many interviews or share their personalities. When thinking of other sports that are popular in this country it's talent and personalities that win the day and when you're trying to win over a new audience--one not intimately familiar with the sport--personality goes a long way. I've come to like to watch soccer over the years (foreign soccer mostly) and at first I had no immediate connection to the game. I didn't know the players, didn't know all the rules, nor did I know the histories of the teams and places that were taking part. What I did first gravitate to was some of the personalities of some of the talent. So going forward I would say consider making the tournament more open. It does no good to create back stories for a bunch of players if the stories remain the same. As the olympics does every time it comes around you create stories around the narratives provided to you by the people who rise to the occasion--otherwise you're creating a false narrative that will feel forced and that will resonate in a different way. Best of luck! | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
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