OGN/MBCGame vs Blizzard, Second Session - Page 7

On January 29 2011 02:28 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think everyone is completely overreacting to the "transition from SC1 to SC2" clause.

This was contract between Gretech and Blizzard, not OGN/MBC and Blizzard. It could be that Gretech had already planned on adopting an SC2 league beforehand, and that this contract clause only served as an official wording to this transition. There is nothing on whether or not this clause was ever forced on Gretech.

It says nothing about whether or not Blizzard wanted to force SC2 onto OGN/MBC since this contract had nothing to deal with them, only Gretech. It could be possible that Blizzard/Gretech may have proposed a completely different contract to OGN/MBC during negotiations. Unless the same clause is found in some leaked documents from those negotiations, it is not valid proof that Blizzard wants to force a transition to SC2 from everyone.

I don't think Blizzard wants to or is even capable of forcing Korea to fully transition to SC2. I think they just want a voice in BW after years of KeSPA being its sole authority, especially since any broadcast of SC2 on OGN/MBC will require the consent of KeSPA to allow its progamers to do so. Personally, I think they were completely justified in negotiating IP rights with KeSPA, though the lawsuit is taking things too far. Perhaps if Blizzard or KeSPA conceded on some of the most debated terms, then maybe all this drama won't happen.

Then again, it is also plausible that Blizzard may be greedy. Or not. Perhaps it is KeSPA that is greedy. Or not. Both are corporate entities that probably have profit motives driving their positions on this issue. I feel that this conflict is not a battle between black and white but instead a battle between shades of grey. No matter who wins or who we support, the damage has already been done, and both sides will be responsible.

On January 29 2011 03:03 xBillehx wrote:

I agree that people are overreacting.

A clause requesting Gretech to make the "transition" smooth can refer to many different things. So far they've helped any pro-gamer who switched from SC1 to SC2 and accepted them with open arms, rather than ban them. There are some people here assuming it means the goal is to kill BW but the other possibilities are far too easily overlooked. I don't see anything about forcing the transition, only making it smooth.

I certainly don't think it's "100% proof Blizzard wants to kill BW" as many keep preaching. It's pretty lame that people are eating up any little anti-Blizzard sentiment they can find. The entire thing has never been black & white but to most BW elitists- if it fucks with BW it can go to hell.

When it comes to Blizz vs BW stuff people jump on the BW side far too fast and promote explanations that may not even be true. Remember, Daily e-Sports was the journalist outlet that slandered and attempted to tarnish NaDa's name for switching. It's hard to take anything they say without a big chunk of salt.

On January 28 2011 18:40 psycow wrote:
Well, there already is precedent in the previous Blizzard vs KeSPA case where Blizzard lost. Now Blizzard is using a proxy to do their bidding but looks like it's not going well for them.

On a related note, an article posted after the litigation one on FOMOS:

http://fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114592&db=issue

Some BS about a video interview with Dustin "WHAT'S COOOOOOOOL" Browden on new mini-games for SC2... [SC2 articles not worth translating...]

The most interesting part of this article are the replies. To paraphrase most of them:

[LOLwut?]
[FAIL]
[FIX THE F*CKING GAME FIRST]
[Desperation!!!!]
[SC2 FAILED GAME. AHAHAHHAHAHA!!!...]

Funny how FOMOS started very enthusiastic about SC2 but now has turned extreme anti. The only place left pro-SC2 in Korea is playXP. Slowly but surely that place is turning too. Bad game is just bad.

On January 29 2011 00:49 Milkis wrote:
The DES bit makes it a bit more interesting, a very clarifying update to the OP was made

The contract that had that clause was between Blizzard and Gretech, an agreement that was signed in May. So this 100% confirms that Blizzard and Gretech wants a transition from Starcraft to Starcraft 2. MBC picked up on this and slammed Blizzard about it, asking why they would want their rights protected if they have no intention of doing anything with it.

Absolute revulsion, I definitely did not wish Blizzard would really be that greedy about this entire thing but honestly I'm not surprised judging by the fact that Blizzard suddenly brings this to court and forces Gretech to stop negotiating with KeSPA when the negotiations were going smoothly between Gretech and KeSPA. Absolutely retarded.

On January 29 2011 05:07 cocoa_sg wrote:


There are very GOOD reasons why we, "the BW elitists" as you so like to call us even though most of us like me also watch the GSL, are "eating up any little anti-Blizzard sentiment they can find". I can list them below:

1) The failure of B.net 2.0
2) The strong-arm tactics that Blizzard is flexing over OGN/MBC in this case
3) Failure of Blizzard to address fans' complaints to make SC2 better (please look at Fomos for an example - they were once so pro-SC2 but now they are very anti-Blizzard now; refer to a previous post by someone else for quotes - only playXP is like still pro-SC2 left)
4) Being too greedy and wanting too much control of a e-sports scene that was built up, from scratch, not by them but by the love of fans and broadcasters as well as Kespa in S.Korea
5) Overall, being too inept to bother with e-sports as a whole; look at GomTV's handling of GSL (just throwing money at GSL is not going to magically make it a big e-sports in future)

I could list several other reasons why we are losing faith and patience with Blizzard. Their actions have been more disgusting and a waste of time as of late. Sorry, but we can only tolerate so much until "enough is enough"! -_-

EDIT: Below is the quoted post to support Point 3:

On January 29 2011 07:19 scion wrote:


I've already said it before in the thread, do not take DES article 100% seriously. They are known pro-KeSPA media and most of the story is extremely biased. It's as if the lawyer representing MBC/OGN wrote the article. Not to mention DES only posts negative articles about SC2 and the GSL.

Blizzard must have some kind of argument otherwise they wouldn't have pursued a lawsuit. The clause mentioned was NOT the main focus of session yet DES focuses on it and amplifies it. They also outright assumes about Gretech's so called "unreasonable" claims being due to this clause.

Until we have some story from Blizzard/Gretech's sides, we should not get swayed by KeSPA's propaganda.