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On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time.
Notice every sentence in my post were questions besides the last sarcastic one... Of course Blizzard knows what is going on way better than I do, and surely they have clear goals - I would just love to know exactly what they were because they seem to not want to discuss them.
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On February 02 2011 04:25 slappy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. Notice every sentence in my post were questions besides the last sarcastic one... Of course Blizzard knows what is going on way better than I do, and surely they have clear goals - I would just love to know exactly what they were because they seem to not want to discuss them.
Why would they discuss them if they do not see fit? They do not owe any explanation. Surely your questions are valid but there is nobody who can answer them aside from Blizzard (who won't at least for the time being).
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On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time.
You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue.
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On February 02 2011 07:37 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue.
From and esports perspective, I personally don't mind Blizzard pushing for SC2 and trying to have BW flushed down the toilet so to speak. As much as I appreciate BW in terms of the greatness it has offered for over a decade, there is no way BW could further Esports anymore, especially outside Korea - and Korea is where things will get BIG first if they ever do. I witnessed a lot of discussion over this topic here on TL and, while I understand why BW aficionados (did I get that right?) are rooting for its survival on the current scale, the truth is that it is time to move on if the goal is to make things bigger. Therefore I am really hoping for Blizzard to succeed.
I also side with Blizzard when it comes to which company has the right to benefit from SC and SC2. It seems clear to me that, while KESPA did a lot of good in making BW bigger, Starcraft is indeed property of Blizzard and no entity should be entitled to benefit from it if Blizzard does not agree with it. I am no lawyer (although I have studied a bit of copyright/trademark/yaddayadda law) but to see the broadcasters call the shots just seems deeply wrong from a stakeholder's perspective.
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On February 01 2011 23:34 Lotar wrote:
At the very least, user streams broadcast Blizzard's artwork (unless you're talking about people discussing a game without showing it?) so it's akin to going to the Superbowl with your handcam and streaming the game.
Well, the problem isn't just about redistributing the IP but instead mostly about redistributing it FOR A PROFIT. It's usually acceptable to stream tournaments and use Blizzard artwork for non-profit purposes, and usually selling any derivative of Blizzard's IP will require their permission. Broadcasting tournaments on TV draws in revenue from advertisements and sponsors, and since OGN/MBC never completed their negotiations with Blizzard/Gretech, they never got their permission in the first place.
I think the IP case is equivalent to someone writing a fanfiction based on Starcraft. It's acceptable for them to just write with no profit in mind. However, once they start to sell the fanfiction, then they MUST ask for Blizzard's permission or else it's considered a violation of IP rights. Blizzard is thus free to attach any strings they want in exchange for this permission, such as requesting a share of any profits generated from the sale or a mandatory preview of the fanfiction.
The main problem with this case is that though OGN/MBC recognize that it is acceptable for them to request Blizzard's permission for broadcasting, they along with KeSPA disagree with many of the strings attached to this permission, such as how far "IP" is defined in regards to games and replays or the broadcasting fees that the stations must pay.
IMO, the debate shouldn't focus on whether or not Blizzard was correct in requiring OGN/MBC and KeSPA in acknowledging that they violated IP rights, since they never had permission in the first place. Instead, the debate should focus on the many conditions that Blizzard attached in exchange for granting IP permission. The requesting broadcasting fees are deceptively expensive, and it is perfectly reasonable for KeSPA to be against Blizzard/Gretech have full auditing powers over them. IMO, Blizzard/Gretech is trying to do too much at once for KeSPA to accept any of their conditions.
Also, I would like to restate that the BW to SC2 clause was from ONE contract to ONE company. Gretech hardly controlled a portion of the BW scene, especially after KeSPA pulled most of their players and teams out of the GOM Classic BW Tournament, which caused subsequent GOM BW tournaments to completely flop.
GOM was Blizzard's ONLY choice to broadcast SC2 in Korea, so OF COURSE they would want them to transition from BW to SC2. Heck, if I was Blizzard, there would be no reason for me not to make GOM switch to SC2. GOM is such a small company compared to OGN/MBC that their resources can't be devoted to both SC2 and BW, and their influence in the BW scene was pretty much negligible, especially since almost no players were associated with GOM tournaments after the GOM Classic incident. As a result, switching GOM from BW to SC2 can hardly be considered "killing BW" since they pretty much no longer had anything to do with the BW scene after being ostracized by KeSPA.
If the same clause was found in the contracts offered to OGN/MBC, then I think it would be justifiable to rage against Blizzard/Gretech. Also, the dates of Gretech's contracts might change my opinion on the matter. However, right now I see the BW to SC2 transition clause as a perfectly reasonable way for Blizzard to broadcast SC2 through their only partner in Korea, especially since the stall in the negotiations with OGN/MBC pretty much shut out any other viable alternative for broadcasting SC2.
And that's pretty much all my remaining thoughts on this issue.
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On February 02 2011 09:57 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 07:37 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue. From and esports perspective, I personally don't mind Blizzard pushing for SC2 and trying to have BW flushed down the toilet so to speak. As much as I appreciate BW in terms of the greatness it has offered for over a decade, there is no way BW could further Esports anymore, especially outside Korea - and Korea is where things will get BIG first if they ever do. I witnessed a lot of discussion over this topic here on TL and, while I understand why BW aficionados (did I get that right?) are rooting for its survival on the current scale, the truth is that it is time to move on if the goal is to make things bigger. Therefore I am really hoping for Blizzard to succeed. I also side with Blizzard when it comes to which company has the right to benefit from SC and SC2. It seems clear to me that, while KESPA did a lot of good in making BW bigger, Starcraft is indeed property of Blizzard and no entity should be entitled to benefit from it if Blizzard does not agree with it. I am no lawyer (although I have studied a bit of copyright/trademark/yaddayadda law) but to see the broadcasters call the shots just seems deeply wrong from a stakeholder's perspective.
Do you really think that Blizzard is interested in building an e-sports scene?, their goal is selling more and more games ($$$$), that is why Korea is so special, they dont need to put so much effort and they can get in return so much money.
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On February 02 2011 00:07 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 22:02 ffreakk wrote:On February 01 2011 19:38 KissBlade wrote:
I don't really understand. Blizzard doesn't NEED Korea. Hell they can form a community in the US fine. If the money is here, players will come Haha i thought i would be mature enough to not bite the "troll baits" but i give up :x You need to gather all the facts and do a long hard reality check before you say these things again. GSL succeeding in the US? Now thats one that i didnt see coming I need to gather all the facts and do a long hard reality check? Blizzcon attendance this year was 27,000 (estimate). Granted it was spread across games but it shows US CAN draw the crowd. One of the GSL finals had only 1800 attendees. Maybe you should continue your attempts at "maturity" before commenting.
Oh? I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
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On February 02 2011 00:07 KissBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 22:02 ffreakk wrote:On February 01 2011 19:38 KissBlade wrote:
I don't really understand. Blizzard doesn't NEED Korea. Hell they can form a community in the US fine. If the money is here, players will come Haha i thought i would be mature enough to not bite the "troll baits" but i give up :x You need to gather all the facts and do a long hard reality check before you say these things again. GSL succeeding in the US? Now thats one that i didnt see coming I need to gather all the facts and do a long hard reality check? Blizzcon attendance this year was 27,000 (estimate). Granted it was spread across games but it shows US CAN draw the crowd. One of the GSL finals had only 1800 attendees. Maybe you should continue your attempts at "maturity" before commenting.
Blizzcon is a flawed example, it is a once upon a year happening, as you stated before is spread over multiple games and it is different. Why?Because it is not an E-sport thing, sure games are played there for the sake of being Blizzcon but people do not go there to watch E-sport. They go there to enjoy the community that is Blizzard, to find out about new upcoming Blizzard stuff, to meet other people who have common interests in Blizzard games. Using Blizzcon as a E-sport argument is unfound in that sense. Yes the GSL finals only had 1800 people, but that is because it is not hugely popular in Korea. Not to mention everything is centered around Seoul, youl have to find a location in America first where people would go to live GSL finals.
I agree that US can draw a crowd yes, but noone is going to risk an investment in this. Why?Because E-sports is not acceptable in America as of yet, in America(and virtually any other Western, or well non-Chinese/Southkorean country. There is huge stigma to the people who watch E-sports, they are ''geeks'' with no life, no girlfriend who live in their moms basement or something. This is not the case in South-Korea, hence its more attractive for investers to invest in South-Korea, as there is already a base amount of people who watch E-sports there relative to many other western countries. It is to risky(and frankly stupid) to attempt to invest into E-sports in a western country such as America, youl need huge resources for it and the benefits for it are lackluster. No sponsor will do this for as it is to risky. South-Korea is a different culture and has a different stance to E-sports then as country as America. Sure It can draw a crowd but if noone wants to invest in it then it won't happen.
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On February 02 2011 13:24 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 09:57 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 07:37 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue. From and esports perspective, I personally don't mind Blizzard pushing for SC2 and trying to have BW flushed down the toilet so to speak. As much as I appreciate BW in terms of the greatness it has offered for over a decade, there is no way BW could further Esports anymore, especially outside Korea - and Korea is where things will get BIG first if they ever do. I witnessed a lot of discussion over this topic here on TL and, while I understand why BW aficionados (did I get that right?) are rooting for its survival on the current scale, the truth is that it is time to move on if the goal is to make things bigger. Therefore I am really hoping for Blizzard to succeed. I also side with Blizzard when it comes to which company has the right to benefit from SC and SC2. It seems clear to me that, while KESPA did a lot of good in making BW bigger, Starcraft is indeed property of Blizzard and no entity should be entitled to benefit from it if Blizzard does not agree with it. I am no lawyer (although I have studied a bit of copyright/trademark/yaddayadda law) but to see the broadcasters call the shots just seems deeply wrong from a stakeholder's perspective. Do you really think that Blizzard is interested in building an e-sports scene?, their goal is selling more and more games ($$$$), that is why Korea is so special, they dont need to put so much effort and they can get in return so much money.
No, you are getting it wrong. Blizzard is very very very much interested into building an esports scene as big as possible because that would bring big, big money. You can see that clearly in the actions they have been taking since the SC2 launch and, to a lesser extent, in the WoW department too. They know all too well that popularity of a Blizzard game as an esport translates into significant revenues. Also note how they are trying to focus not just on Korea but on the foreign scene as well. I think that, at this point, when you say GomTV you might as well say "Blizzard".
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On February 02 2011 22:56 Hatsu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 13:24 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 09:57 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 07:37 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue. From and esports perspective, I personally don't mind Blizzard pushing for SC2 and trying to have BW flushed down the toilet so to speak. As much as I appreciate BW in terms of the greatness it has offered for over a decade, there is no way BW could further Esports anymore, especially outside Korea - and Korea is where things will get BIG first if they ever do. I witnessed a lot of discussion over this topic here on TL and, while I understand why BW aficionados (did I get that right?) are rooting for its survival on the current scale, the truth is that it is time to move on if the goal is to make things bigger. Therefore I am really hoping for Blizzard to succeed. I also side with Blizzard when it comes to which company has the right to benefit from SC and SC2. It seems clear to me that, while KESPA did a lot of good in making BW bigger, Starcraft is indeed property of Blizzard and no entity should be entitled to benefit from it if Blizzard does not agree with it. I am no lawyer (although I have studied a bit of copyright/trademark/yaddayadda law) but to see the broadcasters call the shots just seems deeply wrong from a stakeholder's perspective. Do you really think that Blizzard is interested in building an e-sports scene?, their goal is selling more and more games ($$$$), that is why Korea is so special, they dont need to put so much effort and they can get in return so much money. No, you are getting it wrong. Blizzard is very very very much interested into building an esports scene as big as possible because that would bring big, big money. You can see that clearly in the actions they have been taking since the SC2 launch and, to a lesser extent, in the WoW department too. They know all too well that popularity of a Blizzard game as an esport translates into significant revenues. Also note how they are trying to focus not just on Korea but on the foreign scene as well. I think that, at this point, when you say GomTV you might as well say "Blizzard".
the e-sports model in Korea is already built, so what is Blizzard going to build over there?? and they are just failing with SC2, because all that investment ($$$) in the GSL should bring incredible sellings of the game and that is not happening. They just want to control the stablished scene (I am not blaming them for that, it is business after all).
I really didnt know that Blizzard was focusing in foreign e-sports, could you refer some link about it?
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On February 03 2011 00:42 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 22:56 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 13:24 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 09:57 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 07:37 palexhur wrote:On February 02 2011 04:16 Hatsu wrote:On February 02 2011 04:09 slappy wrote:
so all the teams (Samsung, Airforce, etc), after Blizzard basically shuts down the whole set up they pay for (televised professional matches), are supposed to just bend over and get fucked in the ass (transition to sc2)?
I know it's more complicated than that, but seriously what does Blizzard expect to happen once they stop OGN/MBC from broadcasting? I wonder if they've really thought about it, or if they even care? Do they expect all the teams to just happily disband and all the players to play sc2, to lead to a sc2 scene that will dwarf the BW epoch?
Hi Blizzard, this is Starcraft, not Lemmings... I think Blizzard has a clearer picture than you when it comes to this, I am pretty sure they have a clear plan and clear goals. This lawsuit is not about the 300,000,000 Won compensation and it is not even about BW vs SC2, it is about power and therefore money in the long run. There is no villain and no good guy here, it's just a clash between companies as other thousands that happen every single day across the globe. I found the OP and some posts informative but the discussing and speculating without having a way bigger knowledge of what is going on is a waste of time. You are a 100% right, this is a fight about control and power, for Blizzard, I am sure they have a long time goal in order to define ( control the RTS community) which game should be the game with the Hype and of course the Big selling in the future, and every step they have made is following this goal, the problem for Blizzard is that because BW being controlled right now for external parties in Korea, that goal has been delayed (at least over there, a potential 40% of its market), if Blizz can force in anyway the transition between BW and SC2 they will do it, I suppose the stockholders are not very happy about SC2 in Korea so Blizzard is going to push harder everyday, right now they are trying to maintain a thin balance between PR and legal issues. For Kespa and the broadcasters is about its most important game in e-sports, if they lose this in a bad way, they are going to be submitted at whatever conditions Blizzard want, and Kespa could dissapear as it is now. Lets see what happens, as a gamer I dont like a company with the kind of control that Blizzard wants so I am with the broadcasters in this issue. From and esports perspective, I personally don't mind Blizzard pushing for SC2 and trying to have BW flushed down the toilet so to speak. As much as I appreciate BW in terms of the greatness it has offered for over a decade, there is no way BW could further Esports anymore, especially outside Korea - and Korea is where things will get BIG first if they ever do. I witnessed a lot of discussion over this topic here on TL and, while I understand why BW aficionados (did I get that right?) are rooting for its survival on the current scale, the truth is that it is time to move on if the goal is to make things bigger. Therefore I am really hoping for Blizzard to succeed. I also side with Blizzard when it comes to which company has the right to benefit from SC and SC2. It seems clear to me that, while KESPA did a lot of good in making BW bigger, Starcraft is indeed property of Blizzard and no entity should be entitled to benefit from it if Blizzard does not agree with it. I am no lawyer (although I have studied a bit of copyright/trademark/yaddayadda law) but to see the broadcasters call the shots just seems deeply wrong from a stakeholder's perspective. Do you really think that Blizzard is interested in building an e-sports scene?, their goal is selling more and more games ($$$$), that is why Korea is so special, they dont need to put so much effort and they can get in return so much money. No, you are getting it wrong. Blizzard is very very very much interested into building an esports scene as big as possible because that would bring big, big money. You can see that clearly in the actions they have been taking since the SC2 launch and, to a lesser extent, in the WoW department too. They know all too well that popularity of a Blizzard game as an esport translates into significant revenues. Also note how they are trying to focus not just on Korea but on the foreign scene as well. I think that, at this point, when you say GomTV you might as well say "Blizzard". the e-sports model in Korea is already built, so what is Blizzard going to build over there?? and they are just failing with SC2, because all that investment ($$$) in the GSL should bring incredible sellings of the game and that is not happening. They just want to control the stablished scene (I am not blaming them for that, it is business after all). I really didnt know that Blizzard was focusing in foreign e-sports, could you refer some link about it?
The Esports model in Korea is indeed already established but that does not mean that it cannot grow further nor that it can act as a pioneer market for esports. Think of how much we, on TL, refer to Korea as the standard.
Regarding the GSL, there was a topic some time ago in the SC2 General section that was dozens of pages long and was based on thin air. We have no idea how much money Blizzard has made or is planning to make out of the GSL. For all we know, they might be making a loss and be happy with it because their business plan provides for it. But if I were to speculate from the plans they released and their recent moves (foreigner house, hint of GSL stuff happening outside of Korea, the name of the GSL itself) I would say that to them this is just the beginning, that they have a years long plan involving the next expansions and that for the time being all they want is to make the GSL more popular in and outside Korea through the GSL. They do not care about the BW scene, but they know that having some big names switching to SC2 would make a huge difference, and so they are fighting for it.
This is what I mean when I say that Blizzard is trying to focus on the foreign scene as well: it is clearly encouraging and pushing for more and more tournaments. Do you think that a game that came out half a year ago would be this represented in professional gaming events if there wasnt any pressure from Blizzard? Dont you see the increasingly high prize pools and sponsors? Korea is just the spearhead in my view.
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Hurrah, it's almost March 18th 
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hmm, very insightful
Although I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to say they don't care about BW, which I think you doing so intentionally. Ideally it would be best if both BW and SC2 survived together, especially if Blizzard gets control of BW over Kespa, I mean they are different games and they would profit anyway no? Unless if they think that losing some fans due to dropping BW will be more profitable since they can focus on SC2 and get people to buy/play/watch SC2.
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its march 18th,and to day is the third sesssion of case.
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Were there any update? Where would we go to find out about this stuff?
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There's an update yes. I will translate it and post it later :O
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