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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
January 21 2011 19:43 GMT
#181
Great interview, really enjoyed it! Thx Artosis
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
January 21 2011 19:43 GMT
#182
On January 22 2011 04:29 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 04:24 Zarahtra wrote:
On January 22 2011 03:14 H0i wrote:
Nice interview.

Now talking about idra, I think he's just too much of a whiner. This constant whining of zerg being too weak is not going to change anything, if he keeps thinking his race is weak then that's not going to make him win more.

As a master league random/protoss player I admit say that it can be frustrating to play zerg on small maps, but the main reason so few protoss and zerg make it to Ro8 or Ro4 is because they are underrepresented. When the game was very new terran was a lot stronger, you can say op, because people did not know how to deal with them. Everyone picked terran and now we have an overdose of GSL terran players. The balance changes that were made help to even things out, and people found out new strategies. The game is a lot more fair than before and it's going in the right direction. If only guys like idra (and everyone else who whines about balance) stops whining and starts thinking of new ways to win then the situation might improve more.

Look at fruitdealer and nestea, look at mc. They did things differently and won GSL's.

I just don't think he sees how insanely good zerg is lategame and just totally ignores it therefore. The game can only be balanced if you take all the strengths/weaknesses into account. I'd still love a inject nerf/natural larvae regen buff as a way to try to equalize it a bit.

Still a nice interview, Artosis as awesome as always with the content. I don't think idra gives jinro enough credit though, he's such a diverse player, while he's good at macro games, he's not as terrible as idra in shorter matches(ok idras macro game compared to his cheese/allins, he's obv still awesome).


He doesn't see it because it doesn't exist.

Nothing about Zerg late game is particularly powerful unless you make it through early and mid game in decent shape, and quite frankly, Zerg doesn't have the tools to make it that far against a good opponent.

The only late game power Zerg has is bad opponents who let them stockpile thousands of resources.

And that kind of view just annoys me. "If my opponent can't hurt me, it's fine that I just auto win the game". Well I can understand that this might be annoying on such maps as SoW, close position meta/LT etc where your opponent has such an easy time getting into your face, but on a map such as meta cross position it's the same deal for terrans atleast. But I mean that's all fine and good, the zerg is just better, because he can win in macro game and has nothing to do with the fact that zerg is just better in macro games.

I mean I'm not going to argue that maps are in a bit of a silly state(I'd say only 2 are balanced for TvZ atleast, SP & XC) but if it reaches the lategame, suddenly the zerg is just a better player and should have 90% win chance, even if the terran took no noticeable losses, macroed well, while still forcing some units even if he didn't crush the zerg's econ.
Dakk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden572 Posts
January 21 2011 19:49 GMT
#183
Is it just me or does IdrA's voice gets a little.. "Emotional" when he talks about the jinro game? Aswell as getting a little "active".. he picks up pace with his speech etc...
I will not fear, Fear is the mindkiller. Fear is the little death.
AT_Tack
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany435 Posts
January 21 2011 19:51 GMT
#184
Looking forward to idra's show.

From a zerg's perspective i have to agree with the things idra said. Im not a fanboi of any kind but the people that disagree with him are just ignoring the facts. Idra is even backed up by nestea himself.
No its not the maps that are wrong! Its Zerg!
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
January 21 2011 19:52 GMT
#185
gotta love them artosis vids... keep up the good work!
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 21 2011 19:53 GMT
#186
idra is awesome so is artosis
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Babaganoush
Profile Joined November 2010
United States626 Posts
January 21 2011 19:53 GMT
#187
As a zerg player, Idra is like Dr. Doom and Gloom for the Zerg and sometimes I don't want to hear it.

I hope Jinro makes it through and I hope NesTea makes it through.

Glad to see IdrA improving his public image. And smile more.
Stick a fork in those buns.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
January 21 2011 19:53 GMT
#188
On January 22 2011 03:27 Jayrod wrote:
idra cracks me up man. When zerg was buffed 2 patches ago he said he cant see losing a game to terran and that he wont have trouble with any protoss. 1 patch comes through where they actually nerf terran a little bit and now suddenly out of no where zerg cant win any game ever

He said he wouldn't lose for about a month, which was pretty accurate.
the farm ends here
Inex
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria443 Posts
January 21 2011 19:56 GMT
#189
Awesome interview, Artosis! It's great to see Idra's opinion on the current state of the GSL. The only thing missing is his view on the upcoming map pool. Best of luck to Idra, one of the most talented players out there, can't wait to see more from him.
W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
January 21 2011 19:56 GMT
#190
thanks artosis, great video!

I think idra makes for a great interviewee. He speaks fast and delivers his thoughts very fluidly. He's honest and has no fear to give his true opinions.
Hi
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 20:03:33
January 21 2011 20:00 GMT
#191
On January 22 2011 04:43 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 04:29 Jermstuddog wrote:
On January 22 2011 04:24 Zarahtra wrote:
On January 22 2011 03:14 H0i wrote:
Nice interview.

Now talking about idra, I think he's just too much of a whiner. This constant whining of zerg being too weak is not going to change anything, if he keeps thinking his race is weak then that's not going to make him win more.

As a master league random/protoss player I admit say that it can be frustrating to play zerg on small maps, but the main reason so few protoss and zerg make it to Ro8 or Ro4 is because they are underrepresented. When the game was very new terran was a lot stronger, you can say op, because people did not know how to deal with them. Everyone picked terran and now we have an overdose of GSL terran players. The balance changes that were made help to even things out, and people found out new strategies. The game is a lot more fair than before and it's going in the right direction. If only guys like idra (and everyone else who whines about balance) stops whining and starts thinking of new ways to win then the situation might improve more.

Look at fruitdealer and nestea, look at mc. They did things differently and won GSL's.

I just don't think he sees how insanely good zerg is lategame and just totally ignores it therefore. The game can only be balanced if you take all the strengths/weaknesses into account. I'd still love a inject nerf/natural larvae regen buff as a way to try to equalize it a bit.

Still a nice interview, Artosis as awesome as always with the content. I don't think idra gives jinro enough credit though, he's such a diverse player, while he's good at macro games, he's not as terrible as idra in shorter matches(ok idras macro game compared to his cheese/allins, he's obv still awesome).


He doesn't see it because it doesn't exist.

Nothing about Zerg late game is particularly powerful unless you make it through early and mid game in decent shape, and quite frankly, Zerg doesn't have the tools to make it that far against a good opponent.

The only late game power Zerg has is bad opponents who let them stockpile thousands of resources.

And that kind of view just annoys me. "If my opponent can't hurt me, it's fine that I just auto win the game". Well I can understand that this might be annoying on such maps as SoW, close position meta/LT etc where your opponent has such an easy time getting into your face, but on a map such as meta cross position it's the same deal for terrans atleast. But I mean that's all fine and good, the zerg is just better, because he can win in macro game and has nothing to do with the fact that zerg is just better in macro games.

I mean I'm not going to argue that maps are in a bit of a silly state(I'd say only 2 are balanced for TvZ atleast, SP & XC) but if it reaches the lategame, suddenly the zerg is just a better player and should have 90% win chance, even if the terran took no noticeable losses, macroed well, while still forcing some units even if he didn't crush the zerg's econ.


Idra's opinion on Zerg lategame:

and the idea that z is somehow the strongest late game race is fuckin absurd. hive units are nearly useless and horribly cost inefficient unless broodlords catch them off guard. ya, you can insta remax if you're allowed to get a giant econ, but remaxing on lair units vs collosus or tank based armies hardly matters when you can trade 200/200 for a tenth of their army.


Idra is not "ignoring" zerg's lategame advantage. Idra does not believe zerg has a lategame advantage. The Protoss and Terran 200/200 armies are just too untouchable.
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
January 21 2011 20:01 GMT
#192
good and insightful interview, even if theres the classic idra whine. seriously back in sc1 when terran sucked, did Boxer whine about how crappy terran was? no, he came up with new strats and became the most famous e-sports representative on the planet.
Vishido
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada106 Posts
January 21 2011 20:03 GMT
#193
Great IdrA interview, thanks Artosis!
peekn
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 20:04:56
January 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#194
Thanks for the interview! Excited to listen to some in depth Code S analysis. :D
REG.ZerO
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden9 Posts
January 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#195
Personally I almost think your Idra interviews have become the highlight of the GSL seasons ^^
Keep'em coming!
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference.
Toxiferous
Profile Joined June 2009
United States388 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 20:07:49
January 21 2011 20:04 GMT
#196
Thanks Artosis! More Idra face time!
I can't wait for this idra stream, one more notch in my zerg belt comin up :3

Would like to hear the very end where hes explaining details ^^



On January 22 2011 04:36 Luvz wrote:
Idra interviews crack me up every time. there's never a interview with that guy without it being ether whine or just pure speculation.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 03:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
all his streaming plans sound familiar because they're exactly what im doing! :D


popped into my head as soon as i heard it. Copycat ^^


And why in the hell would we want to hear the insight from easily one of the best Zerg players in the world?!
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 21 2011 20:05 GMT
#197
Thanks for the interview Artosis! And to Idra, thanks for the streams and gl in the future!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
TaKemE
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark1045 Posts
January 21 2011 20:05 GMT
#198
On January 22 2011 04:43 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 04:29 Jermstuddog wrote:
On January 22 2011 04:24 Zarahtra wrote:
On January 22 2011 03:14 H0i wrote:
Nice interview.

Now talking about idra, I think he's just too much of a whiner. This constant whining of zerg being too weak is not going to change anything, if he keeps thinking his race is weak then that's not going to make him win more.

As a master league random/protoss player I admit say that it can be frustrating to play zerg on small maps, but the main reason so few protoss and zerg make it to Ro8 or Ro4 is because they are underrepresented. When the game was very new terran was a lot stronger, you can say op, because people did not know how to deal with them. Everyone picked terran and now we have an overdose of GSL terran players. The balance changes that were made help to even things out, and people found out new strategies. The game is a lot more fair than before and it's going in the right direction. If only guys like idra (and everyone else who whines about balance) stops whining and starts thinking of new ways to win then the situation might improve more.

Look at fruitdealer and nestea, look at mc. They did things differently and won GSL's.

I just don't think he sees how insanely good zerg is lategame and just totally ignores it therefore. The game can only be balanced if you take all the strengths/weaknesses into account. I'd still love a inject nerf/natural larvae regen buff as a way to try to equalize it a bit.

Still a nice interview, Artosis as awesome as always with the content. I don't think idra gives jinro enough credit though, he's such a diverse player, while he's good at macro games, he's not as terrible as idra in shorter matches(ok idras macro game compared to his cheese/allins, he's obv still awesome).


He doesn't see it because it doesn't exist.

Nothing about Zerg late game is particularly powerful unless you make it through early and mid game in decent shape, and quite frankly, Zerg doesn't have the tools to make it that far against a good opponent.

The only late game power Zerg has is bad opponents who let them stockpile thousands of resources.

And that kind of view just annoys me. "If my opponent can't hurt me, it's fine that I just auto win the game". Well I can understand that this might be annoying on such maps as SoW, close position meta/LT etc where your opponent has such an easy time getting into your face, but on a map such as meta cross position it's the same deal for terrans atleast. But I mean that's all fine and good, the zerg is just better, because he can win in macro game and has nothing to do with the fact that zerg is just better in macro games.

I mean I'm not going to argue that maps are in a bit of a silly state(I'd say only 2 are balanced for TvZ atleast, SP & XC) but if it reaches the lategame, suddenly the zerg is just a better player and should have 90% win chance, even if the terran took no noticeable losses, macroed well, while still forcing some units even if he didn't crush the zerg's econ.


Zerg dont win easy late game when you play against a macro toss/terran, no idea where you get that info from... do you even watch high level games?


Great interview!
ZomgTossRush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1041 Posts
January 21 2011 20:05 GMT
#199
Thanks for the interview artosis, and good luck in the next gsl idra.
Coaching for 1v1 and Team games at Gosucoaching.com
trancey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany729 Posts
January 21 2011 20:06 GMT
#200
Artosis you are the best!
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