EPTPre-scheduled game time on the stream? Hellz, yeah. I'm one step away from switching away from Zerg, if I dont get this!
IdrA on why he left so fast vs Jinro and more! - Page 8
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Oleksandr
United States227 Posts
Pre-scheduled game time on the stream? Hellz, yeah. I'm one step away from switching away from Zerg, if I dont get this! | ||
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
On topic: i love you artosis great interview and i personally cannot wait to check out idrA's streams again. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
Hopefully you can keep doing more of these as more and more English speaking players show up in Korea. | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:32 Roggay wrote: But Fruitdealer and Nestea are whining a lot too. And you are dead wrong if you think a player of the caliber of IdrA doesnt think of "new ways" to win. I have a big problem with no-names whining and not trying to improve their plays, but progamers of that caliber know what they are talking about, you shouldnt question them this much. God I'm sick of this "pros know everything and theyre always right so shut up and agree with them" sentiment that so many people seem to share. You do know other people play the game, and like to express their opinions right? How would you know whether or not the "no-names" are trying to improve their play? Just being pro doesnt make you right, and not being pro doesnt make you wrong. | ||
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Kazragore
United States369 Posts
Boo, they're at midnight I might have to mix up my sleep schedule to accomodate (and I don't even play zerg hahaha) | ||
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Jayrod
1820 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:48 taintmachine wrote: k well i decided to look it up to clarify things both interviews http://www.blgaming.com/content/mlg-dc-coverage-interview-idra Hafu: What are your thoughts on the new patch? Does it affect your gameplay? Idra: The new patch is awesome, I don't think I'm going to lose to Terran for a month. It helps a lot versus protoss as the extra road range, it kind of nullifies a lot of builds that Protoss use. It's just a great patch in general for Zerg, I'm very very happy about it. http://www.myegamer.com/posts/7d7b70b5ce80d83cf6818ce62b859223 MLG: Are you pleased with the way the patch is working out so far? Idra: Yes, definitely. I believe ZvT is pretty close to balanced right now—it's actually going to seem Z>T for a while as bad Terrans disappear and the remaining ones have to adapt to a new style of play. ZvP is certainly much better, but I'm waiting for the matchup to settle into the new patch before making any real comment on it. My only real complaint is that they still haven't addressed ZvZ, but the matchup is slowly making progress on its own so patching might be unnecessary in the long run. kek Ya the first one is the one i had in mind but the second one actually proves my point as well. So its balanced, a month later after terrans adapt and zergs basically do no sort of adapting everythings completely imba again and zerg needs another patch that honestly isn't coming anyways. How about he starts coming up with some answers than complaining all the time? You dont go from close to balanced to clearly imbalanced because of adaptation... its either close to balanced or not... shit doesnt change that drastically in one month with discovery, the game has barely changed. I just get irritated that idra says something like this and every platinum level zerg gets on here and says hes 100% accurate, giving them an excuse that really doesn't address actual zerg problems. Here's the thing. Even if you are 2500 in master's you aren't good enough to focus on balance rather than improving your play. The difficulties dont affect you the same way they affect idra. That's a fact. | ||
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Pixel.
Netherlands287 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:01 nekuodah wrote: I love how everyone on this forum starts screaming zerg imbalance when idrA says it, for him yes it could be because hes playing at the top tier, whereas a large majority (making this up but wouldnt suprise me) here are too busy crying imbalance to fix the major flaws in their gameplay. On topic: i love you artosis great interview and i personally cannot wait to check out idrA's streams again. It is not only IdrA, Ret and Nestea and fruitdealer are saying it to. Mabye more great zerg players. And great interview. And love the vods for europa \o/ | ||
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DOMINOSC
Canada345 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I personally don't like this zerg qq, but yet again I have no idea how hard zerg is to play at pro level. For me it always was hilariously easy compared to terran (well toss was as easy for me) at the same level. Wish i would just be normal and would be op with terran as well and not with the other races. (terran is my favorite race ... how else could i love tvt, but i dropped one league after playing terran only) | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:05 Helios.Star wrote: God I'm sick of this "pros know everything and theyre always right so shut up and agree with them" sentiment that so many people seem to share. You do know other people play the game, and like to express their opinions right? How would you know whether or not the "no-names" are trying to improve their play? Just being pro doesnt make you right, and not being pro doesnt make you wrong. The balance comments from pros should no doubt be taken into consideration comment by comment and person by person, but the vocal majority of top zerg players all seem to be complaining at one point or another. A pro here or there scattered around shouldn't deserve too much of a fuss, but there's definitely a consistency in the balance comments and what race they're coming from. It's pretty damn hard to ignore it, especially when it comes from the very tip top players of the race. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:07 Jayrod wrote: Ya the first one is the one i had in mind but the second one actually proves my point as well. So its balanced, a month later after terrans adapt and zergs basically do no sort of adapting everythings completely imba again and zerg needs another patch that honestly isn't coming anyways. How about he starts coming up with some answers than complaining all the time? You dont go from close to balanced to clearly imbalanced because of adaptation... its either close to balanced or not... shit doesnt change that drastically in one month with discovery, the game has barely changed. I just get irritated that idra says something like this and every platinum level zerg gets on here and says hes 100% accurate, giving them an excuse that really doesn't address actual zerg problems. Here's the thing. Even if you are 2500 in master's you aren't good enough to focus on balance rather than improving your play. The difficulties dont affect you the same way they affect idra. That's a fact. And both those interviews proves my point that you are taking things out of context. The first question Idra has already responded to a person just like yourself a few days ago . Look up his post history if you want. Key words are "for a month." | ||
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VikingKong
China509 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:05 Helios.Star wrote: God I'm sick of this "pros know everything and theyre always right so shut up and agree with them" sentiment that so many people seem to share. You do know other people play the game, and like to express their opinions right? How would you know whether or not the "no-names" are trying to improve their play? Just being pro doesnt make you right, and not being pro doesnt make you wrong. You're right, being a pro doesn't necessarily mean they're right. On the other hand, being a pro means they spend a shitload more time than anyone else. Which 'no-name', to use your phrase, spends as much time as a top-tier pro like Idra playing and analyzing their play? So no, being pro isn't what makes them right. Them spending more time than anyone else is what is making them right, and their opinions more valued. On the topic of the interview, I think it's interesting that in his Gosutrolling interview he said that MKP was the most overrated player, but he still thinks that he'll beat Jinro, who he acknowledges as a good Terran. I can see why he hates Choya though, but Choya has such a cheesy style it's pretty fun to actually watch. Thanks for the interview Artosis! | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17731 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:07 Jayrod wrote: Ya the first one is the one i had in mind but the second one actually proves my point as well. So its balanced, a month later after terrans adapt and zergs basically do no sort of adapting everythings completely imba again and zerg needs another patch that honestly isn't coming anyways. How about he starts coming up with some answers than complaining all the time? You dont go from close to balanced to clearly imbalanced because of adaptation... its either close to balanced or not... shit doesnt change that drastically in one month with discovery, the game has barely changed. I just get irritated that idra says something like this and every platinum level zerg gets on here and says hes 100% accurate, giving them an excuse that really doesn't address actual zerg problems. Here's the thing. Even if you are 2500 in master's you aren't good enough to focus on balance rather than improving your play. The difficulties dont affect you the same way they affect idra. That's a fact. he did come up with answers, jesus christ. do you think he just throws up his arms and cries imba without doing anything? a reasonable person gets to a conclusion like idra has by meticulously analyzing the situation. when he complains, it's because he hasn't come up with an answer that is strong enough yet, and if he had an strong answer, he wouldn't complain. his complaints are just statements that he's discovered which he currently has no solid solution for. that doesn't mean he has no solution, it just means what he has is currently weaker than it needs to be to be consistent. and actually you're completely wrong, things do go from balanced to imbalanced drastically off of one small thing. that is exactly how starcraft balance has worked for the most part. someone finds a new build, it turns out to be really strong, and EVERYONE starts losing to it when they verse the race with the new strong build. then eventually someone learns how to deal with it, it spreads to other players of the same race, and the build dies down in effectiveness. it happened with muta unstacking in which prior to that, thors were one of the hardest counter unit in the game vs muta, it happened with reaper builds which took a long time for people to not just die over and over to seemingly helplessly (patch removed that from the game entirely but by then people had figured out how to deal with it better), and it happened in BW as well with games like savior vs bisu which flip a match up completely on its head. both protoss and terran have recently come up with some really efficient builds that get them more bases and make zerg macro much less powerful than it was when people would 1 base all in and then afterwards try to macro, so now zerg is in pretty big trouble until something is figured out that lets them move forward. right now, nobody knows how to do that, therefore idra is completely right when he says zergs shouldn't be winning things, because they are behind in understanding the weaknesses of the new terran/toss builds while most really high level players are comfortable with zerg's weaknesses. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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RESTRiCT
Canada123 Posts
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iamBOSS
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i always knew NaDa threw that game. Also i loved idras thoughts on Jungle Basin it really said it all. Also looking forward to IdrA streaming !!111one User was banned for this post. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Thanks Artosis, any interview with IdrA is awesome. His insight into the game is always top notch. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:14 H0i wrote: Nice interview. Now talking about idra, I think he's just too much of a whiner. This constant whining of zerg being too weak is not going to change anything, if he keeps thinking his race is weak then that's not going to make him win more. As a master league random/protoss player I admit say that it can be frustrating to play zerg on small maps, but the main reason so few protoss and zerg make it to Ro8 or Ro4 is because they are underrepresented. When the game was very new terran was a lot stronger, you can say op, because people did not know how to deal with them. Everyone picked terran and now we have an overdose of GSL terran players. The balance changes that were made help to even things out, and people found out new strategies. The game is a lot more fair than before and it's going in the right direction. If only guys like idra (and everyone else who whines about balance) stops whining and starts thinking of new ways to win then the situation might improve more. Look at fruitdealer and nestea, look at mc. They did things differently and won GSL's. I just don't think he sees how insanely good zerg is lategame and just totally ignores it therefore. The game can only be balanced if you take all the strengths/weaknesses into account. I'd still love a inject nerf/natural larvae regen buff as a way to try to equalize it a bit. Still a nice interview, Artosis as awesome as always with the content. I don't think idra gives jinro enough credit though, he's such a diverse player, while he's good at macro games, he's not as terrible as idra in shorter matches(ok idras macro game compared to his cheese/allins, he's obv still awesome). | ||
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Samp
Canada783 Posts
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