EPTI wish he would say GL HF to me, or at least acknowledge that I'm in the game, maybe some day.
IdrA on why he left so fast vs Jinro and more! - Page 9
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Kyhol
Canada2574 Posts
I wish he would say GL HF to me, or at least acknowledge that I'm in the game, maybe some day. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:15 VikingKong wrote: You're right, being a pro doesn't necessarily mean they're right. On the other hand, being a pro means they spend a shitload more time than anyone else. Which 'no-name', to use your phrase, spends as much time as a top-tier pro like Idra playing and analyzing their play? So no, being pro isn't what makes them right. Them spending more time than anyone else is what is making them right, and their opinions more valued. On the topic of the interview, I think it's interesting that in his Gosutrolling interview he said that MKP was the most overrated player, but he still thinks that he'll beat Jinro, who he acknowledges as a good Terran. I can see why he hates Choya though, but Choya has such a cheesy style it's pretty fun to actually watch. Thanks for the interview Artosis! I think Mkp is overrated when it comes to his other mu's but he probably has the best tvt right now. The only one who has a chance right now in tvt vs him is Mvp. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:39 BetterFasterStronger wrote: They are both kind of biased... but its very hard to disagree with what IdrA says... Its not like hes saying "OMG ZERG CAN'T COUNTER MARINES ZERG IS UP." Zerg can't win against people who are equal skill or close to it. Nestea's run is proof of that. At this point in the game its very easy to abuse zerg. All you have to do is Stop or slow down their expansions. Yeah, I predicted that Jinro would sweep IdrA for this reason. Zerg's lack unit diversity and the ability to wall-off efficiently, which forces them to rely on macro -- which is pretty easy for Terrans to delay or disrupt. Terran's have Reapers, Banshees, Stim, Hellions ... these are all low-risk high-reward units designed for harass. All a Terran has to do is deny/slow down a zerg's third, and if their own macro is consistent or equal to the zerg they'll win automatically. As much as Artosis and IdrA bring it up, it's hard to disagree with them. I'm surprised that more Terran's aren't macro-ing up and trying to win wars of attrition. I don't see how a patient Terran could lose. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:24 Zarahtra wrote: I just don't think he sees how insanely good zerg is lategame and just totally ignores it therefore. The game can only be balanced if you take all the strengths/weaknesses into account. I'd still love a inject nerf/natural larvae regen buff as a way to try to equalize it a bit. He doesn't see it because it doesn't exist. Nothing about Zerg late game is particularly powerful unless you make it through early and mid game in decent shape, and quite frankly, Zerg doesn't have the tools to make it that far against a good opponent. The only late game power Zerg has is bad opponents who let them stockpile thousands of resources. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote: all his streaming plans sound familiar because they're exactly what im doing! :D He's using the Tyler build for his streaming | ||
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
Other then that I really liked the questions and answers | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
Idra stated his opinion, now you might say it is wrong, pessimistic or biased, all those complaints are valid, but it is still his opinion and the current facts have proven him right to some extent. Look at the Tournament results Z HAS a problem currently. What exactly that problem is and how it can be solved is a balance discussion or a gameplay discussion which needs to be adressed in the proper way. Whining like 6 years olds " You are wrong" "No you are wrong" etc. is not the proper way. If you think you have a brilliant build which solves the current weakness from a zerg perspective take it to the strategy board and present it. If you think the balance needs to be adressed in a patch take it to the Blizzard boards and whine there. Flaming back and forth here about how wrong idra is, contributes nothing to this discussion. Personally i disagree with him, but then i have the luxury of being able to deny 3 Maps in my ladder games and i do not face Pros who can marinesplit perfectly without fail. At that level (2.5k Diamond) Zerg is fine against Terran, and so far i haven't met many Protoss who play good Air builds yet either. I find it curious that Idra and Athosis are convinced MVP will take the GSL4, when he choked pretty badly in the 3 previous tournaments. I guess we'll see :D Personally i can't wait for the games  edit: Just a small endnote because someone posted something i disagree with while i was writing this. If you truly think Reapers are small risk high reward units might i refer you to baneling dropping his mineral line? It's probably cheaper and the rewards are much higher. Banshees are also not what i'd call a no risk unit against Zerg, since as soon as a single Muta pops your pretty expensive banshee is going to be dead. Yes Terrans have very good ways to disrupt a Zergs macro, but they are usually found in the standard units and not the gimmicky stuff which might or might not work (and usually only works if your opponent has been stupid. By the time banshees can arrive in the Zergs base he can easily have a lair up and 3 Queens). | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:32 Patriot.dlk wrote: Hrmm the new maps will they be used next season? If so I don't agree with Idras lack of faith in zerg. Other then that I really liked the questions and answers There has been no public decision regarding the map pool and the longer they take, the less likely it is they'll lose them in the next GSL. I find it curious that Idra and Athosis are convinced MVP will take the GSL4, when he choked pretty badly in the 3 previous tournaments. I guess we'll see :D Personally i can't wait for the games Virtually everyone in Korea thinks MVP will take it and he has been nothing but consistent since GSL 3 | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:27 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I think Mkp is overrated when it comes to his other mu's but he probably has the best tvt right now. The only one who has a chance right now in tvt vs him is Mvp. MKPs TvZ is pretty damn good too basically because his strategies hinge on a unit that counters pretty much everything Z is capable of in the MU. | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
Keep up the good work! | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On January 22 2011 04:20 Herculix wrote: he did come up with answers, jesus christ. do you think he just throws up his arms and cries imba without doing anything? a reasonable person gets to a conclusion like idra has by meticulously analyzing the situation. when he complains, it's because he hasn't come up with an answer that is strong enough yet, and if he had an strong answer, he wouldn't complain. his complaints are just statements that he's discovered which he currently has no solid solution for. that doesn't mean he has no solution, it just means what he has is currently weaker than it needs to be to be consistent. and actually you're completely wrong, things do go from balanced to imbalanced drastically off of one small thing. that is exactly how starcraft balance has worked for the most part. someone finds a new build, it turns out to be really strong, and EVERYONE starts losing to it when they verse the race with the new strong build. then eventually someone learns how to deal with it, it spreads to other players of the same race, and the build dies down in effectiveness. it happened with muta unstacking in which prior to that, thors were one of the hardest counter unit in the game vs muta, it happened with reaper builds which took a long time for people to not just die over and over to seemingly helplessly (patch removed that from the game entirely but by then people had figured out how to deal with it better), and it happened in BW as well with games like savior vs bisu which flip a match up completely on its head. both protoss and terran have recently come up with some really efficient builds that get them more bases and make zerg macro much less powerful than it was when people would 1 base all in and then afterwards try to macro, so now zerg is in pretty big trouble until something is figured out that lets them move forward. right now, nobody knows how to do that, therefore idra is completely right when he says zergs shouldn't be winning things, because they are behind in understanding the weaknesses of the new terran/toss builds while most really high level players are comfortable with zerg's weaknesses. Just because you're able to phrase your opinion very well, it doesn't mean that it isn't just another well disguised comment on "imbaness". I respect IdrA for his skill, I even rooted for him in all of the recent matches he lost. But hearing him talk about how Zerg has no chances right now and how this and that is so easy for Terran to do ... seriously. Just because he's IdrA it doesn't mean he's always right. He's basically said Z lacks compared to the other races at every point of the game, at every patch, after every tournament. Sure he's biased towards his race, most people are, but that doesn't mean this is some higher wisdom we should all adher to. He's a dedicated, disciplined gamer with incredible strategical knowledge, but there are moments where he talks about balance issues that aren't existant just like normal players do. | ||
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
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GhostBusters
United States198 Posts
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Luvz
Norway356 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote: all his streaming plans sound familiar because they're exactly what im doing! :D popped into my head as soon as i heard it. Copycat ^^ | ||
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
Nice insights by IdrA, he's a real professional and a baller. | ||
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On January 22 2011 03:14 H0i wrote: but the main reason so few protoss and zerg make it to Ro8 or Ro4 is because they are underrepresented. Oh man, I can't believe people keep saying this, the only reason Zerg and Protoss have won the GSL's is because they have such powerful players and thats it. I don't care what anyone else says, I know for a fact when I play Terran sometimes I dominate way more than with Zerg and Zerg is the race I play 95% of the time. Terran is far too forgiving, it's ridiculous, you can mess up you'r macro, micro, army positioning LOOSE ALL YOUR SCV's and still win. I would really like to hear exactly what IdrA thinks needs to be changed at this point. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
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powerdawg96
United States129 Posts
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