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So for the 4 foreigner spots. Right now Ret is in code A, but there are 4 additional slots open for people? As in, there are 4 slots no matter how many foreigners legitimately qualify?
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
So for the 4 foreigner spots. Right now Ret is in code A, but there are 4 additional slots open for people? As in, there are 4 slots no matter how many foreigners legitimately qualify? | ||
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Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
Tell me what you think, Adun | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
Jinro is the dark horse of the division. I love it. I think the most interesting matchup is Jinro vs Idra. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:09 Xxio wrote: NaDa vs. MC So for the 4 foreigner spots. Right now Ret is in code A, but there are 4 additional slots open for people? As in, there are 4 slots no matter how many foreigners legitimately qualify? Yes. If let's say out of the 12 open spots in which u can directly qualify and 6 foreigners qualify. Then the 4 invited ones make it to 10 foreigner qualified players then. Edit: Atleast from my comprehension. If a Korean wins a foreign major tournament I don't know how that would end up then if he gets auto invite. | ||
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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid`Ret wrote: ya if ro32 and ro16 in code a are really best of 1 thats kinda ridiculous Yeah single game is bo1 unless someone can prove me wrong  So it's win your 1st game and you're atleast Code A next season or win your 2nd and you can qualify for Code S next Season. On December 16 2010 03:19 dambros wrote: Is there a start date scheduled for this? I really don't get this championship. Will it replace the "normal" gsl where you have to qualify through the games and only the people in code A/S will participate? Yes it will replace the normal GSL. The normal GSL that is running now is called a GSL Open. On December 16 2010 03:19 PartyBiscuit wrote: Pretty intense lineups for Day 1, has there been a mention of when the date is? I can't find it anywhere else I'll update it in OP. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:02 Zidon wrote: The format is great considering there won't be any "lame duck" matches in which players know there is no advantage to winning. Gomtv has done well to make sure that every match will be competitive and mean something. My only concern is that in the code A tournament, until the round of 8, it is single game elimination style, and we could see a lot of cheese like we did in dreamhack. I think most people would agree that this is not fun to watch. I thought the way they avoided "lame-duck" matches was by giving the 3rd placed finisher an advantage over the 4th place in the code S determination match. Their code S group stage is a bit bizarre to me. At least they've made every match mean something and will avoid tie-breaks. But if they really hate tie-breaks maybe don't televise it?? EDIT: Ok, so I thought a little about it, and I don't really mind their group stage "double elimination" format. Theoretically, it's possible that 3 people in the grp have 2 wins in a full round robin but that "theoretical last match" is never played so I don't mind it too much... I still prefer a full round-robin though | ||
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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:20 shannn wrote: Yes it will replace the normal GSL. The normal GSL that is running now is called a GSL Open. So, how can someone qualify for the tournament if he isn't code A? | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:25 dambros wrote: So, how can someone qualify for the tournament if he isn't code A? There will be a qualifier for code A but there has been no details released for this afaik. What we do know is that GOM said that 4 spots will be kept open to foreigners (not sure if it's foreigners or players) who win a major foreign tournament and the qualifier will be held for 12 code A spots. | ||
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dambros
Brazil432 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:29 shannn wrote: There will be a qualifier for code A but there has been no details released for this afaik. What we do know is that GOM said that 4 spots will be kept open to foreigners (not sure if it's foreigners or players) who win a major foreign tournament and the qualifier will be held for 12 code A spots. Nice, Thanks for the explanation. This way we will have at least 12(+4 if add the foreign spot) new faces every tournament. I was afraid this would became a close pack and all the same faces over and over again. Not that it is a bad thing (bw for example), but the game is too young for this kind of thing. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
So, how can someone qualify for the tournament if he isn't code A? Players who fail to qualify for Ro16 will have to go through the Preliminary Rounds for Code A. So I imagine before the Code A starts there will be some sort of open/invite prelims similar to what went on for the GSL open we have now where you can get one of these "open" last 16 Code A slots then go from there. There were also mentions of a ladder tournament, foreign invites, etc. Seems they will use various measures to get players into the Code A bracket for the final 16 spots, and be actively looking for talent to invite. Will be fun to watch a lesser known player storm their way into Code A, maybe go through it and work their way up through Code S. Really going to allow you to follow and root for players as they climb up/down etc. | ||
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AmaZing
Nepal299 Posts
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Myia
173 Posts
my point is that in round-robin group play, players shouldn't be qualified or disqualified based on the order in which the matches are played The reason they are doing it this way is to give more of an advantage to the seeded players from the previous tourny. They play the weaker members first, and so have the chance to get the wins needed. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:37 AmaZing wrote: Really? a Code A BO1? This is just stupid, sorry but a professional gaming host would have enough brains to not do this. This is stupid.. i think i kind of need an explanation if anyone thinks this is ok. Maybe it's because they also want to air the Code A matches. And in another thread (link) I calculated that in the S League there will be a total of 90-101 games in just the S League. With A league it will be even more. A league is according to my calculation like this. Ro32 16 matches x bo1 Ro16 8 matches x bo1 Ro8 4 matches x bo3 = 8-12 games Ro4 2 matches x bo3 = 4-6 games Ro2 1 match x bo7 = 4-7 games This comes down to 40-49 additional games along with the 90-101 games in S league. That's 130-150 games in 1 month in which they'll air the games around prime time I guess? GSL Open has 144-221 games casted over the course of 3 weeks I think? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:10 Azzur wrote: Code A ro32 - ro16 to be a bo1 match?? That's an especially brutal way to lose code A (if they lose the ro32) or lose the chance to fight for code S (if they lose the ro16)?? Why not make it bo3? Also, quarters and semis to be bo3 but finals bo7?? Seems a bit nonsensical to me. There is a very marginal difference between first and second, but a bigger one between second and third. Why not make the finals just a bo5?? GOM put a lot of thought into the code S tournament and the code S determination matches but the code A one seems like an afterthought. Code A tournaments are probably also going to have cash prizes for winners so a Bo7 final is warranted | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
On December 16 2010 03:56 -Archangel- wrote: Code A tournaments are probably also going to have cash prizes for winners so a Bo7 final is warranted I wouldn't mind a bo7 final if it was a bit more consistent throughout the whole tournament. We had the semis as a bo3 then suddenly the finals is bo7. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
With the group stuff of abcd. A is one of the top 8 players from the previous season. Who earned another Code S. C is one of the top 16 players from the previous season. Who earned another Code S. B and D are previous Code S or Code A players who managed to win the "up and down" matches and get a spot in the "next" main tournament (aka this group play). I'm assuming the reason that they get put in named slots is so that they can write up the order of the matches beforehand and set it in stone forever. So turn 1: the A vs B and C vs D. Is to separate the people that have done well in the previous seasons. Turn 2: A vs D and C vs B. Notice they swapped the positions of the "lower" ranked players B and D. Meaning A and C cannot get matched up. As to protect previous high finishers from playing eachother in the group play. And knocking them out. Possibly because you could argue that if one of the "stronger" players gets eliminated by an even "stronger" player. That spot will be taken by a "weaker" player and they want to keep it high level, or give them some sort of advantage. With these matchups, looking at it from players B and D who come from the, up and down matches, code A, first round knock out Code S from the previous season. As a test to "check" if these players are "worthy" of playing in main stable part of the Code S play. (not written well but I mean: The previous ro16+ Code S players have proven themselves to be "up to par" they can hang, they belong if you will.) Placing them against the people who most obviously belong in the Code S tournament, and represent the Code S skill level (by cliching another Code S based on the previous tournament results). Is arguably the best way to see who of these two "groups" belongs and should get the default Code S for the next season. (Because advancing through the group play here ensures you get the Code S from the ro16) To summarize my main points: - Code S clinchers from previous season (ro16+) don't play eachother, gains stability, clinching Code S more valuable because you get "weaker" opponents the next time around. And it allows the second point. - it's a great test for the more indeterment players to see which of all 4 belong and who don't. Don't like the Bo1 for the Code A tournament of course. Rather have it not get broadcasted or only a select part, and just be Bo3. (Assuming it's not bo3 because of time, because of broadcasting desires) Hope this made some sense and I was atleast able to highlight some intresting things if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for reading. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 16 2010 04:04 legatus legionis wrote: *Assuming this group stuff relates only to the group stuff of the main tournament with Code S players, for a total of 32 players. And the top 2 placers of this group go onto round 2 group and then round 3 single elim bracket. With the group stuff of abcd. A is one of the top 8 players from the previous season. Who earned another Code S. C is one of the top 16 players from the previous season. Who earned another Code S. B and D are previous Code S or Code A players who managed to win the "up and down" matches and get a spot in the "next" main tournament (aka this group play). I'm assuming the reason that they get put in named slots is so that they can write up the order of the matches beforehand and set it in stone forever. So turn 1: the A vs B and C vs D. Is to separate the people that have done well in the previous seasons. Turn 2: A vs D and C vs B. Notice they swapped the positions of the "lower" ranked players B and D. Meaning A and C cannot get matched up. As to protect previous high finishers from playing eachother in the group play. And knocking them out. Possibly because you could argue that if one of the "stronger" players gets eliminated by an even "stronger" player. That spot will be taken by a "weaker" player and they want to keep it high level, or give them some sort of advantage. With these matchups, looking at it from players B and D who come from the, up and down matches, code A, first round knock out Code S from the previous season. As a test to "check" if these players are "worthy" of playing in main stable part of the Code S play. (not written well but I mean: The previous ro16+ Code S players have proven themselves to be "up to par" they can hang, they belong if you will.) Placing them against the people who most obviously belong in the Code S tournament, and represent the Code S skill level (by cliching another Code S based on the previous tournament results). Is arguably the best way to see who of these two "groups" belongs and should get the default Code S for the next season. (Because advancing through the group play here ensures you get the Code S from the ro16) To summarize my main points: - Code S clinchers from previous season (ro16+) don't play eachother, gains stability, clinching Code S more valuable because you get "weaker" opponents the next time around. And it allows the second point. - it's a great test for the more indeterment players to see which of all 4 belong and who don't. Don't like the Bo1 for the Code A tournament of course. Rather have it not get broadcasted or only a select part, and just be Bo3. (Assuming it's not bo3 because of time, because of broadcasting desires) Hope this made some sense and I was atleast able to highlight some intresting things if I'm not mistaken. Thanks for reading. Very thorough explaination man. This does seem to be the case as you explained it. But I hope Junkka can clarify if this is the case. I'll add it on the OP just in case anyways for a good explaination of the group matches. | ||
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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