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On December 16 2010 06:37 purecarnagge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ya if ro32 and ro16 in code a are really best of 1 thats kinda ridiculous Shouldn't you know this? I mean you are Code A aren't you? Aren't you also still in Korea? The worst thing a coach can do is not make sure a player knows the rules or how things work in the tournament. In these 1 game matches you will see alot of safer builds against all in type of strategies. Did Tester make Code A even? He only qualified for 1 GSL.
Tester aka TSL.sSKS Code S in Group D
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On December 16 2010 06:25 Eko200 wrote:
Going 1-1 against another player and moving on would only happen if they beat someone else and the loser didn't. Its kind of like the disqualified person has a tie and a loss and the person moving on has a win and a tie.
1st-2 wins
2nd-1 win 1 tie
3rd-1 tie 1 loss
4th-2 losses
It would be:
Player A 2-0 (won from B and D)
Player B 1-1 (lost to A and won from C)
Player C 1-1 (won from D but lost to B)
Player D 0-2 (lost to A and C)
Turn 3 would mean that if D < B and C > A then it would look like this
Player A 2-1 (won from B and D and lost to C)
Player B 2-1 (lost to A and won from C and won from D)
Player C 2-1 (won from D but lost to B won from A)
Player D 0-3 (lost to all)
Making it a 3 way tie.
B > C > A > B etc
The question is now how will this be solved.
Since GOM are implying there are no tie breakers this would mean that turn 3 would not be
B(1-1) vs D(0-2) and A(2-0) vs C(1-1)
But another match. Antoine has asked on the gom forums but so far no reply from GOM yet.
On December 16 2010 06:37 purecarnagge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ya if ro32 and ro16 in code a are really best of 1 thats kinda ridiculous Shouldn't you know this? I mean you are Code A aren't you? Aren't you also still in Korea? The worst thing a coach can do is not make sure a player knows the rules or how things work in the tournament. In these 1 game matches you will see alot of safer builds against all in type of strategies. Did Tester make Code A even? He only qualified for 1 GSL.
Read the OP and look at the matches you find him there. Read first before you ask a question which was unnecessary in the first place if you looked and watched GSL (which you probably did since you are referring to GSL 1). During GSL broadcast it was mentioned numerous times that Tester changed name to sSKS 
On December 16 2010 06:41 Gudeldar wrote:
Why does Gom have to make everything so complicated? Why not just do a normal round robin for the group stages? Since the difference between 3rd and 4th matters the only reason seems to be so there are no tiebreakers.
3rd and 4th matters because they will be placed in up and down matches which you can read in the OP. It says specifically that if you are 4th in your groupstage in S league that you only have 1 chance to stay as a S code player. A third ranked player in a groupstage has 2 chances to make sure he stays code S. Hence it's so important to have a system where there is no tie breaker because of these playoffs and seedings.
On December 16 2010 06:42 Howl67 wrote:
So just for clarification..
On the code S group matches, those are BO1?
Meaning for the IMNestea vs. PoltPrime match, that's just a best of 1, and then the winner of that faces player D for example in another Best of 1, and then the players to win 2 best of 1s, advance...correct?
Group stages are Bo1 yes. It isn't really implied if the winner of 1st match faces the loser or winner from the other match in the respective groups. So I can't really make much out of it except what they mentioned that A plays vs B and C plays vs D which according to them is done by ratings.
Ranked 1-8 = A
Ranked 9-16 = C
Ranked 17-24 = B
Ranked 25-32 = D
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To avoid long tiebreakers they could have used the beta world cup system where one player randomly gets a "bye" then he faces the winner of the other 2 players and the three are ranked 1-3 from there.
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class A is getting screwed with bo1 rounds thats just weak
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't mind the BO1.
First, don't tell me it is better to have unaired BO3s instead. People would then bitch and moan about not getting to see this player or that player, so if it is a time constraint deal(which it looks like is one of the factors) much better to make sure fans of all players get to tune in and watch everyone then to not air series which I think people would also complain as much about.
But I don't understand how they are getting screwed... are they screwed because they simply aren't getting enough face time on camera? I mean they are getting an opportunity to play and win money, so just win and what does it matter, don't lose. Each player has an equal shot to win in theory(not getting into map balance on this one so don't go there). Everyone can cheese, and everyone can choose not to cheese. Don't go with a risky build if you think you'll see some early game garbage.
GOM is providing a format for the players to try to move and stay up in. Nobody is getting "screwed" if anything should be thankful there is a format which involves a lot of players, has opportunities to continue to qualify and try to earn money playing SC2.
I'd rather people just be honest, and say you don't like the BO1 because you don't get to watch as many matches and you are worried your personal favorite player might go out in one game. At least I can respect that, stop acting like you feel bad for the players or they are getting "screwed over." The only way players are getting screwed is if they don't know the rules going in. If they know going in that this is the deal, then you know. One game, win your game, get to the RO16. Pressure is on, don't mess up. I like that.
Remember we aren't talking about Code S here, this is Code A, would be like complaining because the minor league baseball teams don't play 162 games like the major league teams. Just how it is. With the way the system is constantly flowing moving players up and down the deserving players will work their way to Code S and the poor ones will get weeded out over time.
I just think these BO1 Code A matches are going to be great, suspense filled viewing if that is the way they go with it.
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I think the system is fine. Code S is double elim so thats fine, and Code A begins great as everyone is fighting to stay in that position.
The bottom positions of Code A should be rough and players should be dropped and lose their ratings to make room for any newcomers.
I know that there is the possibility of shitty cheese, but that seems to be a possibility in every round of the GSL, and eventually players are just going to have to learn to beat it.
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The only suspense will be praying that the few good players in Code A won't get cheesed out of a chance to qualify for Code S.
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Who cares about the frigging format LOL.
We should be excited about the matchups !
oGsMC vs oGsNaDa!??!!?
TLAF-Liquid'Jinro VS EGIdrA?!?!?!?
TSL_FruitDealer vs IMMVP?!?!?!?
MarineKingPrime.WE vs TSL_Clide ?!?!? How unlucky clide LOL.
KyrixZenith vs TSL_sSKS Probably my favourite MU because of Tester and Kyrix the agressor :D
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I suppose the purpose of my question on page 3 jalstar was more to imply that while bo1 in round robin could work, they aren't even doing a true round robin, and I wanted to confirm that OSL didn't also do a fake round robin.
I would rather have bo3's, but time constraints most likely will enforce bo1 play in groups. But if you don't even get to play all three opponents in your group before it's decided whether you go on or not, then the argument for group play goes out the door.
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On December 16 2010 07:58 shannn wrote:
MarineKingPrime.WE vs TSL_Clide ?!?!? How unlucky clide LOL.
KyrixZenith vs TSL_sSKS Probably my favourite MU because of Tester and Kyrix the agressor :D
Clide's a badass, man, I want to see how he prepares for this matchup. And I agree with you about Kyrix versus Tester.
Overall, despite the cheesing in GSL3, this GSL4 still looks damned scary. I guess we can't say "Oh, too bad they met each other so early in the tournament" anymore because everyone's such a badass.
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On December 16 2010 07:49 FLuE wrote:
long post making many assumptions
Luck. Anyone can get cheesed out or have a bad game. You don't have to have a full best-of-five-sets whole tournament like with tennis, but one game is not enough to determine the better player.
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Can't wait for this to start, as all of the match ups are c - r - a - z - y.
It's really too bad the NA scene doesn't have something similar to the GSL. It would be awesome if there was a dedicated SC2 tournament in NA, but I guess MLG will have to do.
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i like the Code S tournament but the group are quite bad, lots of teamates ended up in the same group (hi oGs group + both foreigners in the same group : / )
for the code A tournament i'll just quite the master :
On December 16 2010 03:05 Liquid`Ret wrote:
ya if ro32 and ro16 in code a are really best of 1 thats kinda ridiculous
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On December 16 2010 07:49 FLuE wrote:
long post making many assumptions
Luck. Anyone can get cheesed out or have a bad game. You don't have to have a full best-of-five-sets whole tournament like with tennis, but one game is not enough to determine the better player.
I imagine there is some sort of rules on this board about using the quote function and then changing what someone wrote to make it appear that that is what they typed? Please don't do that, if you want to direct it at me fine but don't use the quote function, my name, and make it look like that is what I typed. If you are going to use the quote function and a persons name then keep what they said(policy of most message boards).
I made no assumptions. I know someone can get cheese out. I never said BO1 is the BEST way to determine who is better. So actually you are the one making assumptions. Frankly, I don't actually care to some degree because it isn't like that player will never get a chance to play SC2 again. If you go out on a bad break, that sucks but bad beats happen. But who is to say you won't get cheesed out in a BO3? We've seen that happen plenty.
I just find that it will make for an exciting RO32 if it is BO1. That is my opinion, if I'm playing to view it I want to be entertained and I think BO1 is going to be very entertaining with it all on the line for one game. Please don't intentionally misquote me though.
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I think for 4 players per group, a 2-game rr would be better than a 1-game rr. I guess it's a little better than the GSL open tournaments though, because you're guaranteed 3 games to prove your worth against 3 different players to advance to the next round.
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wait wait wait, I'm I getting this right? Does this mean that for example FruitDealer is 2 BO1s and 1 BO3 away from potentially getting dropped to Code A??
say he loses to MVP (could easily happen)
then he plays a ZvZ (easy loss)
And then he may end up 4th place and being a single BO3 away from Code A.
I think a LOT of great players will end up in Code A due to sheer variance and luck.
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Overall I like the format for Code S, but I have to admit that the bo1 group stage definitely favours cheesy and gimmicky players. Yes it's basically the same as MSL/OSL but in BW it's much harder to cheese wins against top players than in SC2.
Kind of worried for Boxer vs Hyperdub.
Also, who decides what map the games are played on? This is probably the most importang thing. Nobody's going to be impressed if Fruit has to play a bo1 vs MVP on Steppes =/
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On December 16 2010 09:30 niteReloaded wrote:
wait wait wait, I'm I getting this right? Does this mean that for example FruitDealer is 2 BO1s and 1 BO3 away from potentially getting dropped to Code A??
say he loses to MVP (could easily happen)
then he plays a ZvZ (easy loss)
And then he may end up 4th place and being a single BO3 away from Code A.
I think a LOT of great players will end up in Code A due to sheer variance and luck.
Yeah, it looks scary how easy players can fall out of the tournament! But this is the general problem with BO1....
Apart from that the system is very well thought out. Pretty much ALL the games will be exciting, I'm looking soo forward to that!!
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I am somewhat confused as to whether I like or dislike this system. I think it probably would have been best if the code S groups were BO3 matches.
As to part of Code A being bo1, sorry Ret, but as someone said before from a viewer's perspective bo1 elimination matches can be Really interesting to watch, as there is a lot of suspense. From a player's perspective it sucks indeed though..
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Anyone have the dates for these matches?
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