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On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote:
Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic.
I'm with you. The better players advance.
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Soooooooo unfortunate that Jinro and Idra wound up in the same group  . They should re-roll just for them! 
Oh well - at least it gives us the potential for foreigner-on-foreigner action, even though that's both awesome and depressing at the same time (if it's not the finals, in which case it'd just be awesome ).
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Disappointing groups tbh.
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On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote:
Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic.
Exactly.
Last time we had a thread that GOM was rigging every matchup for Boxer. Now we have complaints about the groups .The S league draws were done by the players themselves and GOM together. How can this be rigged or bad... It's fine as it is. I'm open to good suggestions and welcome people to convince me otherwise but this method was just the best thing to do.
We don't have an even distribution of races in the S league (random also counts for it) so having pots with T/Z/P/R in it cannot be done.
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Group G is pretty weak as well IMO whereas Group B is stacked. I will be amazed if jookToJung makes it out of that.
SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this
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I don't see Check as a better player than any of these players in Group H. Ensnare has a good TvT but his TvZ isn't as great. Idra is probably the favourite here and I think a TvT between Jinro and Ensnare would make the difference in Group H. Jinro probably has a better chance as his TvZ from what I've seen is probably better than Ensnare's and he also has a good TvT.
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On December 14 2010 21:14 .kv wrote:
Group G is pretty weak as well IMO whereas Group B is stacked. I will be amazed if jookToJung makes it out of that.
SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this
Group G has MK and Clide. They are pretty good.
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Group H is insanely good... all these players are semifinalist/finalist contenders. I don't see Jinro making it out of the group.
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Im considering group H to be the group of death to be honest.
We all know what Jinro and IdrA are capable of and Ensnare (Saw some games of him vs HuK this morning....geez he just stomped him) and Check are both extremely skilled and talented.
Scary scary group and if both Jinro and IdrA makes it out, then they gain a new level of respect from my side.
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oGs-TL is the best SC2 Team wow.
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i'm confident in tester's chances given his group. finally we get to see the true protoss king on the biggest stage. :D
also, i've seen idra ZvZ check many times. check should not be able to beat him. seriously, it's not even CLOSE how much better his ZvZ is. of like 7 or 8 games, idra did not lose one nor did he ever seem in danger. seen him crap on ensnare pretty hard too. obviously Jinro has great TvZ and TvT too as that's what got him to top 4. overall i'm very happy about the brackets
i'm only sad about group F because i like everyone there but Sans and i fear either Nada or Inca won't make it when they deserve to. but, it's mostly all good with me
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oGs has far too many players haha
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I think the groups have turned out fine! Both foreigners in one group is a bit unfortunate, but they can still both advance...
And since they apparently seeded the best 8 players from GSL1-3, they also did not end up with stacked groups...
I also find it great that they determine the groups so far in advance... now the players have A LOT of time to prepare for their opponents!
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On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/
This.
And lots of oGs in the same groups, hmm
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On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/ Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote:Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote:
Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this?
I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though...
Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities (i.e. which group you draw is not independent of the previous draws). If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion.
Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is what you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you're feeling lucky) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32.
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On December 14 2010 20:56 Irave wrote:
Group F is the strangest of the bunch, 3 oGs with 2 of them being arguably the best in oGs.
Definately the scariest of the bunch, I can't tell which 2 you are talking about being arguably the best. I know IncA was ranked #2 in the oGs house for a long time, and recently MC has been ranked #1, but Nada is famous. Im confused.
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Both foreigners in the same group doesn't actually decrease the average number advancing. It makes it less likely that both advance, but also more likely that at least one advances. The average number advancing shouldn't change.
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Sucks to have foreigners in the same group but they can pass. They already prove that so is not so bad.
Group F is gonna be interesting alot of PvP and Nada playing TvP oh yeah!!
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