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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
December 14 2010 12:11 GMT
#41
On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote:
Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic.


I'm with you. The better players advance.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
z00t
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia976 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:12:15
December 14 2010 12:11 GMT
#42
Soooooooo unfortunate that Jinro and Idra wound up in the same group . They should re-roll just for them!

Oh well - at least it gives us the potential for foreigner-on-foreigner action, even though that's both awesome and depressing at the same time (if it's not the finals, in which case it'd just be awesome ).
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
December 14 2010 12:13 GMT
#43
Disappointing groups tbh.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 14 2010 12:14 GMT
#44
On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote:
Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic.

Exactly.
Last time we had a thread that GOM was rigging every matchup for Boxer. Now we have complaints about the groups .The S league draws were done by the players themselves and GOM together. How can this be rigged or bad... It's fine as it is. I'm open to good suggestions and welcome people to convince me otherwise but this method was just the best thing to do.

We don't have an even distribution of races in the S league (random also counts for it) so having pots with T/Z/P/R in it cannot be done.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:15:47
December 14 2010 12:14 GMT
#45
Group G is pretty weak as well IMO whereas Group B is stacked. I will be amazed if jookToJung makes it out of that.

SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
December 14 2010 12:15 GMT
#46
I don't see Check as a better player than any of these players in Group H. Ensnare has a good TvT but his TvZ isn't as great. Idra is probably the favourite here and I think a TvT between Jinro and Ensnare would make the difference in Group H. Jinro probably has a better chance as his TvZ from what I've seen is probably better than Ensnare's and he also has a good TvT.
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bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
December 14 2010 12:17 GMT
#47
On December 14 2010 21:14 .kv wrote:
Group G is pretty weak as well IMO whereas Group B is stacked. I will be amazed if jookToJung makes it out of that.

SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this


Group G has MK and Clide. They are pretty good.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
hybridsc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States63 Posts
December 14 2010 12:17 GMT
#48
Group H is insanely good... all these players are semifinalist/finalist contenders. I don't see Jinro making it out of the group.
Zeburial
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden1126 Posts
December 14 2010 12:20 GMT
#49
8 oGs players.. woah :D
Empires are not brought down by outside forces - they are destroyed by weaknesses from within
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
December 14 2010 12:23 GMT
#50
Im considering group H to be the group of death to be honest.
We all know what Jinro and IdrA are capable of and Ensnare (Saw some games of him vs HuK this morning....geez he just stomped him) and Check are both extremely skilled and talented.
Scary scary group and if both Jinro and IdrA makes it out, then they gain a new level of respect from my side.
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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
December 14 2010 12:24 GMT
#51
oGs-TL is the best SC2 Team wow.
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
December 14 2010 12:29 GMT
#52
there's no easy group...
You know what I'm talking about
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:35:08
December 14 2010 12:33 GMT
#53
i'm confident in tester's chances given his group. finally we get to see the true protoss king on the biggest stage. :D

also, i've seen idra ZvZ check many times. check should not be able to beat him. seriously, it's not even CLOSE how much better his ZvZ is. of like 7 or 8 games, idra did not lose one nor did he ever seem in danger. seen him crap on ensnare pretty hard too. obviously Jinro has great TvZ and TvT too as that's what got him to top 4. overall i'm very happy about the brackets

i'm only sad about group F because i like everyone there but Sans and i fear either Nada or Inca won't make it when they deserve to. but, it's mostly all good with me
DavidMcF
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom189 Posts
December 14 2010 12:34 GMT
#54
oGs has far too many players haha
Stratchka
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria165 Posts
December 14 2010 12:40 GMT
#55
I think the groups have turned out fine! Both foreigners in one group is a bit unfortunate, but they can still both advance...

And since they apparently seeded the best 8 players from GSL1-3, they also did not end up with stacked groups...

I also find it great that they determine the groups so far in advance... now the players have A LOT of time to prepare for their opponents!
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Skrelt
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands306 Posts
December 14 2010 12:41 GMT
#56
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


This.

And lots of oGs in the same groups, hmm
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Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:54:06
December 14 2010 12:47 GMT
#57
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote:
Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote:
Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this?
I hope they will realize this before it's too late.


It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though...

Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities (i.e. which group you draw is not independent of the previous draws). If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion.

Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is what you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you're feeling lucky) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32.
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
December 14 2010 12:47 GMT
#58
On December 14 2010 20:56 Irave wrote:
Group F is the strangest of the bunch, 3 oGs with 2 of them being arguably the best in oGs.


Definately the scariest of the bunch, I can't tell which 2 you are talking about being arguably the best. I know IncA was ranked #2 in the oGs house for a long time, and recently MC has been ranked #1, but Nada is famous. Im confused.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
December 14 2010 12:48 GMT
#59
Both foreigners in the same group doesn't actually decrease the average number advancing. It makes it less likely that both advance, but also more likely that at least one advances. The average number advancing shouldn't change.
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
December 14 2010 12:48 GMT
#60
Sucks to have foreigners in the same group but they can pass. They already prove that so is not so bad.

Group F is gonna be interesting alot of PvP and Nada playing TvP oh yeah!!
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