On December 14 2010 22:25 On_Slaught wrote:
What horrible groups. Such an absurd amount of mirrors as well as team kills (and the single foreigner kill).

I can understand wanting to be random but couldn't you put some parameters into the group settings to make them not a joke?

Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group.

Disagree.

s1eger

United States126 Posts

December 14 2010 13:30 GMT

#83

My Prediction is

Group A: Nestea, Maka
Group B: FruitDealer, MVP
Group C: HongUn, BoxeR
Group D: Kyrix, sSKS
Group E: Leenock, Rainbow
Group F: MC, NaDa
Group G: MarineKing, Clide (weird and really easy group)
Group H: Idra, Jinro

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts

December 14 2010 13:30 GMT

#84

is there anything there about the map pool?

PartyBiscuit

Canada4525 Posts

December 14 2010 13:32 GMT

#85

The only reason HongUn will advance is because his group is relatively easy and BoxeR might lose to TheWind, but HongUn has NEVER beat anyone of significance except Clide in season 1 with a voidray rush (beating season 1 Zenio was not tough and I'm in the party that says FD lost those games more than HongUn won).

Also, the same goes for Check, who I guess was kind of a hero in Season 1 to be the 2nd farthest advancing Zerg...but his list of wins is even less impressive taking out Sans and some WeRRas essentially. I think Jinro has the best shot in that group, and it's a toss up on the other 3 players - probably Ensnare if you can prove to still be good again, but if not, I'd bet IdrA.

All the other groups are pretty tough...Nestea has the easiest opponents by far though, and it's kind of funny MK is in a group WITHOUT zergs...so he might have a problem there.

Widar

Sweden261 Posts

December 14 2010 13:32 GMT

#86

A: NesTea, Maka
B: FruitDealer, MVP
C: HongUn, BoxeR
D: Kyrix, Tester
E: Genius, Leenock
F: MC, NaDa
G: MarineKing, Clyde
H: Jinro, Check

Fa1nT

United States3423 Posts

December 14 2010 13:32 GMT

#87

On December 14 2010 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote:
is there anything there about the map pool?

Probably "randomly" chosen. A.K.A.

Steppes -> Delta -> Jungle Basin

zerious

Canada3803 Posts

December 14 2010 13:34 GMT

#88

lol MVP getting all TvZ

bRuTaL!!

Finland588 Posts

December 14 2010 13:36 GMT

#89

On December 14 2010 21:00 Zaka wrote:
>Sorting based on teams, nationality, race?

Uh, yes? It's called a drawing. Three pots with each a race. Every group will at least get one T, Z and P.

And what will you say to those that think it should be based on nationality instead? Or teams? What about seeds?

On December 14 2010 21:47 Dagobert wrote:

Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities (i.e. which group you draw is not independent of the previous draws). If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion.

Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is what you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you're feeling lucky) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32.

I dont know if I understand you correctly, but if I do, your wrong

. Presuming that the drawing itself is random, then the results are random as well. You should be thinking of the drawings as a whole. Say you have 32 names in a hat, you draw them and you get them out in certain order. You put them back and shake the hat and draw again. Will the result of the first draw effect the next one? No. Theres 2,63*10^35 different orders to draw 32 names out a hat. All have the same chance. Its the same thing in lottery. Just because you can make some guesses what the 7 numbers are going to be after you see the first six, doesnt really help you to guess what the numbers are going to be before any are drawn.

Horse...falcon

United States1851 Posts

December 14 2010 13:40 GMT

#90

It's not completely random is it? Nestea, Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Marineking, MC, and Rain are all in different groups. It looks like they were careful to separate the top seeds into different groups.

edit: went back to the rankings again, yeah it looks like they seeded the top 16

Top 8
Group B - 1. TSL_FruitDealer - 8850 points
Group A - 2. IMNesTea - 8799 points
Group E - 3. ST_RainBOw - 6799 points
Group G - 4. MarineKingPrime.WE - 5500 points
Group F - 5. oGsMC - 4649 points*
Group D - 6. TSL_Rain - 4350 points*
Group C - 7. HongUnPrime.WE - 4299 points
Group H - 8. oGsEnsnare - 3199 points

Top 9-16
Group C - 9. SlayerSBoxeR - 2850 points
Group A - 10. MakaPrime.WE - 2549 points
Group H - 11. Liquid`Jinro - 2500 points
Group G - 11. NEXLiveForever - 2500 points
Group F - 13. oGsInCa - 2199 points
Group E - 14. NsP_Genius - 2149 points
Group B - 14. oGsZenio - 2149 points
Group D - 16. KyrixZenith - 1799 points

Group D - 16. ChoyafOu - 1799 points

zarepath

United States1626 Posts

December 14 2010 13:41 GMT

#91

I like how they put the top 2 Protoss in the same group... with yet another Protoss. Here, let's take the best Protoss players possible and subject them to playing the absolute worst, random match-up in Starcraft 2... TWICE EACH.

Moragon

United States355 Posts

December 14 2010 13:42 GMT

#92

On December 14 2010 22:40 Horse...falcon wrote:
It's not completely random is it? Nestea, Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Marineking, MC, and Rain are all in different groups. It looks like they were careful to separate the top seeds into different groups.

The 8 players with the most points were seeded into separate groups, correct.

Gaius Baltar

United States449 Posts

December 14 2010 13:44 GMT

#93

Does anybody know how the round 2 groups get formed? Most important, if IdrA and Jinro both go through, they won't be in the same group again, will they?

I wonder if they can set it up in such a way that if two players from the same group progress and don't lose until they meet each other again, they would meet in the final.

weiliem

2071 Posts

December 14 2010 13:55 GMT

#94

I fear for Nada....

really hope he make it out of that oGs group. =.= .. hoping for him to beat MC. xD then he can tell the whole world that he can beat the best PvT in the world.... xD, 1 can dream

zak

Korea (South)1009 Posts

December 14 2010 13:55 GMT

#95

On December 14 2010 21:58 esperanto wrote:

Show nested quote +

I am interessted which one is which one?

I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group.

hehe

Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player.
Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK!
Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE
and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair!

papaz

Sweden4149 Posts

December 14 2010 13:57 GMT

#96

damn. Jinro and Idra in same group. Would have loved to see Idra in group B vs Zenio.

Boundless

Canada588 Posts

December 14 2010 14:03 GMT

#97

These groups are poorly chosen. Group B is a huge group of death, with arguably two of the best Zergs in the world, and arguably the best Terran in the world.

Also, SO many mirror matchups and team kills. Why are there two groups with three Terrans and one group with three Zergs? Why is there one group with three oGs members in it?

Gah, I hope someone at GomTV comes to their senses before the next league starts.

Durp

Canada3117 Posts

December 14 2010 14:10 GMT

#98

While my dreams of a Code S final between Jinro and IdrA don't look too likely now, isn't anyone else super-excited that we will at least get to see them play?! It's been so long since we've seen a high level ZvT that enters the late game (Clide v Leenock is the last one I can think of), and with both IdrA's and Jinro's tendencies to macro beyond belief... this should at least give us some super high level play matches :p

Not to mention-
+ Show Spoiler +

TSL_Rain cheeses his way to the finals of Season 3, so he gets choya, the most aggro zerg in the GSL, and the anti-cheese himself Tester. Owned.