EPTOn December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/
why are both foreigners in the same group =/
ya thats fucked up....
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
ya thats fucked up.... | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:47 Dagobert wrote: Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities. If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion. Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is something you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you want to be conservative about it) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32. Please, learn probability better. The order tickets are being drawn does not matter. Everyone's chance of being drawn for any particular spot is still 1/32. (That said, they do seem to have seeded people who made finals - have they made their policy clear?) | ||
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ahwala
Germany382 Posts
 Hard group H. Good luck IdrA & Jinro. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Zootre
Denmark180 Posts
for oGs to not have to teamkill they should have 1 player in each group.. pretty insane :D | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote: thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, Spain, and Argentina. group of death! I am interessted which one is which one? I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:07 LittleeD wrote: This still wouldnt prevent foreigners or same team member to enter the same group, and the complaints would still be there. Should they then draw the groups based of some weird Algorithm for Race/Nationality/Team? How about prefered match up? Maybe two top players enters the same group -> still complaints? You see where im heading with this. Random is the only truly neutral solution I definitely don't think foreigners should be treated specially somehow. Don't know why everybody thinks so... As a side not, I really think it's totally wrong of GSL to reserve spots for "top foreigners". If they want to aid top foreigners then perhaps help paying some expenses or something, but don't give them special treatment in the tournaments! The "same team" issue is perhaps more serious. But I don't think it's too serious. I think that's something that people would be willing to accept and it wouldn't cause too much harm to the tournament or spectators. Edit: but I get your point. And the point other's is making. And yeah, I didn't mention anything about seeds either. Would be stupid to have the top 3 players in the same group etc. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
A: NesTea, Maka B: Fruitdealer, MVP C: HongUn, and... uh, somebody. BoxeR, I guess. D: Rain, + either sSKS (which I totally fanboyishly hope for) or choya E: Leenock, Genius F: MC and NaDa. Even if it's full of great players, I'd say NaDa has a huge advantage by only having to practise 1 matchup. G: Seems like the easiest bracket, should be a breeze for MK and Clide H: Well, I'll root for a Jinro + IdrA outcome, but it'll be more likely that Check advaces over one of them Also, I sure hope these brackets shut people up about Gom rigging the groups. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that. | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:06 Dandel Ion wrote: Prediction: E: Leenock, Genius Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2. The only reason MC may be in the season 3 finals is that he didnt have to play Rainbow. The guy just doesnt lose to toss, and theres 2 toss in his group. | ||
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daxile
Canada829 Posts
Group A: Nestea, Maka Group B: FruitDealer, MVP Group C: HongUn, BoxeR Group D: Kyrix, Tester Group E: Leenock, Genius Group F: MC, NaDa Group G: MarineKing, Clide Group H: Check, IdrA (sorry jinro )I wanna see Kyrix and Tester decimate their group ;O | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:08 ParasitJonte wrote: Reading this thread again: wow, I really don't get why people think it's wrong to have 2 "foreigners" in the same group. If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that. They adjusted fine for BoxeR many times GSL3 =/ | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:12 Moragon wrote: Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2. Because he looked really weak in GSL3. Maybe he's just not good at TvZ (which would mean that Leenock would still walk all over him). Also, Genius could've beaten him in his semis, if he played his own builds instead of ripping off InCa's style and failing at it. Which, as I recall, he admitted in his Interview. I honestly expect Genius to beat him this time. And since Leenock can probably take both Genius and Rainbow, those two are the ones I see advancing. (Plus, I just don't like Rainbow, but that's just a minor factor in my decision!) | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I can understand wanting to be random but couldn't you put some parameters into the group settings to make them not a joke? If people do think random is the only way then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to reshuffle these results randomly again (don't even tell us if u dont want tho it's too late now). There isn't a reasonable person alive who can look at these brackets and think they are good in any conceivable way. Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group. | ||
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Intangibil
Romania20 Posts
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