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Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
December 14 2010 12:50 GMT
#61
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


ya thats fucked up....
I'm like badass squared | KeitZer.489
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
December 14 2010 12:51 GMT
#62
On December 14 2010 21:47 Dagobert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote:
Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group?


On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote:
Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this?
I hope they will realize this before it's too late.


It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though...

Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities. If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion.
Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is something you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you want to be conservative about it) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32.


Please, learn probability better. The order tickets are being drawn does not matter. Everyone's chance of being drawn for any particular spot is still 1/32. (That said, they do seem to have seeded people who made finals - have they made their policy clear?)
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:54:45
December 14 2010 12:51 GMT
#63
*Edit* Wait, what? Woops, misunderstood the system I guess.
ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany418 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:54:00
December 14 2010 12:52 GMT
#64
Stupid groups, I'm kinda disappointed.
Hard group H. Good luck IdrA & Jinro.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 14 2010 12:53 GMT
#65
They really should make a televised ceremony when they draw groups, that would hype things a lot.
Zootre
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark180 Posts
December 14 2010 12:55 GMT
#66
MVP and Nestea will just have to play each other to train their match up... lucky for IM i guess :D

for oGs to not have to teamkill they should have 1 player in each group.. pretty insane :D
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 14 2010 12:56 GMT
#67
NaDa with few weeks of preparing TvP only?!?!? And add the fact that 2 of the 3 are his own teammates. INSANE. NaDa is going to come up with insane BO and show us the way of the new Terran Macro playstyle
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
December 14 2010 12:58 GMT
#68
On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote:
thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, Spain, and Argentina. group of death!


I am interessted which one is which one?

I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group.
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
December 14 2010 13:01 GMT
#69
Hmmmmmmmmm which is the group of death B or F?
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 13:05:25
December 14 2010 13:04 GMT
#70
On December 14 2010 21:07 LittleeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 21:03 ParasitJonte wrote:
Yeah, they should have three buckets. One for each race, and just make sure that the races are evenly distributed.


This still wouldnt prevent foreigners or same team member to enter the same group, and the complaints would still be there. Should they then draw the groups based of some weird Algorithm for Race/Nationality/Team?

How about prefered match up? Maybe two top players enters the same group -> still complaints?
You see where im heading with this.
Random is the only truly neutral solution


I definitely don't think foreigners should be treated specially somehow. Don't know why everybody thinks so... As a side not, I really think it's totally wrong of GSL to reserve spots for "top foreigners". If they want to aid top foreigners then perhaps help paying some expenses or something, but don't give them special treatment in the tournaments!

The "same team" issue is perhaps more serious. But I don't think it's too serious. I think that's something that people would be willing to accept and it wouldn't cause too much harm to the tournament or spectators.

Edit: but I get your point. And the point other's is making. And yeah, I didn't mention anything about seeds either. Would be stupid to have the top 3 players in the same group etc.
Hello=)
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 14 2010 13:06 GMT
#71
Prediction:
A: NesTea, Maka
B: Fruitdealer, MVP
C: HongUn, and... uh, somebody. BoxeR, I guess.
D: Rain, + either sSKS (which I totally fanboyishly hope for) or choya
E: Leenock, Genius
F: MC and NaDa. Even if it's full of great players, I'd say NaDa has a huge advantage by only having to practise 1 matchup.
G: Seems like the easiest bracket, should be a breeze for MK and Clide
H: Well, I'll root for a Jinro + IdrA outcome, but it'll be more likely that Check advaces over one of them

Also, I sure hope these brackets shut people up about Gom rigging the groups.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
December 14 2010 13:06 GMT
#72
wow Group F & H are so sad lol.. 3 oGs in same group and 2 foreigners wtf.

ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
December 14 2010 13:08 GMT
#73
Reading this thread again: wow, I really don't get why people think it's wrong to have 2 "foreigners" in the same group.

If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that.
Hello=)
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 13:25:04
December 14 2010 13:12 GMT
#74
On December 14 2010 22:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Prediction:
E: Leenock, Genius


Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2. The only reason MC may be in the season 3 finals is that he didnt have to play Rainbow. The guy just doesnt lose to toss, and theres 2 toss in his group.
daxile
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada829 Posts
December 14 2010 13:19 GMT
#75
I got;
Group A: Nestea, Maka
Group B: FruitDealer, MVP
Group C: HongUn, BoxeR
Group D: Kyrix, Tester
Group E: Leenock, Genius
Group F: MC, NaDa
Group G: MarineKing, Clide
Group H: Check, IdrA (sorry jinro )


I wanna see Kyrix and Tester decimate their group ;O
to live is to suffer
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 14 2010 13:20 GMT
#76
On December 14 2010 22:08 ParasitJonte wrote:
Reading this thread again: wow, I really don't get why people think it's wrong to have 2 "foreigners" in the same group.

If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that.


They adjusted fine for BoxeR many times GSL3 =/
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
December 14 2010 13:22 GMT
#77
On December 14 2010 22:12 Moragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 22:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
Prediction:
E: Leenock, Genius


Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2.


Because he looked really weak in GSL3. Maybe he's just not good at TvZ (which would mean that Leenock would still walk all over him).

Also, Genius could've beaten him in his semis, if he played his own builds instead of ripping off InCa's style and failing at it. Which, as I recall, he admitted in his Interview.

I honestly expect Genius to beat him this time. And since Leenock can probably take both Genius and Rainbow, those two are the ones I see advancing.


(Plus, I just don't like Rainbow, but that's just a minor factor in my decision!)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 13:36:07
December 14 2010 13:23 GMT
#78
Group G is a joke. Marineking needs to change up his style because it is getting stale, liveforever hasnt played since season 1, and Clide/Legalmind cant get past the round of 64 since season 1. IdrA and Jinro should be happy that if they advance they can destroy the winners of this group.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 13:28:06
December 14 2010 13:25 GMT
#79
What horrible groups. Such an absurd amount of mirrors as well as team kills (and the single foreigner kill).

I can understand wanting to be random but couldn't you put some parameters into the group settings to make them not a joke? If people do think random is the only way then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to reshuffle these results randomly again (don't even tell us if u dont want tho it's too late now). There isn't a reasonable person alive who can look at these brackets and think they are good in any conceivable way.

Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group.
Intangibil
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania20 Posts
December 14 2010 13:27 GMT
#80
Obvious reasons for people to say groups are fucked up. However, I believe the real problem rests with the system itself: having groups of 4 limits possible outcomes a lot. Less match-up possibilities means the greater the error in value measurement, more match-up possibilities (something closer to a league-type format) minimizes the error.
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