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arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
December 14 2010 11:48 GMT
#21
so lame that both foreigners are in the same group :/
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KDN
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway96 Posts
December 14 2010 11:49 GMT
#22
I reckon both Jinro and IdrA is in a position to get to round of 16.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2010 11:52 GMT
#23
even if it is random if im the guy and see these lineups im going to re-roll
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MiraMax
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany532 Posts
December 14 2010 11:53 GMT
#24
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote:
Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote:
Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this?
I hope they will realize this before it's too late.


It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though...


Afaik they used seeds on the basis of individual strength (performance in GSL). Seems fair to me, it's just bad luck that Jinro and Idra went to the same group.
stumpster
Profile Joined September 2009
United States67 Posts
December 14 2010 11:53 GMT
#25
Not a huge fan of the group layout, having half of the groups be one-sided in their distribution (3 of one race) means quite a lot of mirror matches and can lead to matchup specialists going further than they should.

Oh well, should be interesting. Hopefully both Idra and Jinro advance out of group H.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
December 14 2010 11:54 GMT
#26
All of you need to know there was a drawing done by the players and if a player couldn't make it then GOM would draw for them.

It''s unlucky but the all groups are pretty much very sick. They are really awesome players so we can expect some awesome matches coming up.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 14 2010 11:56 GMT
#27
I'm a partial fan of Jinro and Idra being in the same group, that will make for an excellent night! It would also be great to see Jinro win in that series. Group F is the strangest of the bunch, 3 oGs with 2 of them being arguably the best in oGs.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
December 14 2010 11:57 GMT
#28
In champions league and world cup they separate teams from same nations and continents respectively.

Keeping the two foreigners apart would not be a big deal or break the randomness.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 14 2010 11:57 GMT
#29
On December 14 2010 20:34 Clipped wrote:
At least one oGs will be at risk of relegation in group f I have a feeling it's going to be nada .


I'm pretty sure it's going to be Inca. Or at least should be, based on skill.

He never showed anything special, and played quite bad at Dreamhack the last I saw him.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 14 2010 11:57 GMT
#30
Sweet, whatever you think about the unfortunate clumping of teams/foreigners/whateverelsesinksyourship we're in for a lot of great matches there imo.

I think both Jinro and Idra can feasibly make it out of that group, I'd certainly expect at least one of them to do so.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
December 14 2010 11:58 GMT
#31
i hope nada will show us the way in TvP
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gnutz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany666 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 11:59:14
December 14 2010 11:59 GMT
#32
Ultimative proof that nothing is fixed

Boxer with T, P and Z in a group, MC with 2 other P and Jinro and Idra same group lol
Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
December 14 2010 11:59 GMT
#33
nestea, mvp and nada have the best group, training against one single race is the best thing it can happen. the down side is opponent might be able to know your builts.

rainbow carrying startale by himself =\
Zaka
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands372 Posts
December 14 2010 12:00 GMT
#34
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:
It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random.

>Sorting based on teams, nationality, race?

Uh, yes? It's called a drawing. Three pots with each a race. Every group will at least get one T, Z and P.

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> The most neutral solution is random.

Yup, but it's also the most retarded. See OP for reference.
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Mr Mauve
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom386 Posts
December 14 2010 12:02 GMT
#35
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote:
why are both foreigners in the same group =/


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote:
Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group?


Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote:
Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this?
I hope they will realize this before it's too late.


It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though...


It seems to be just random enough to be annoying.

The top row is the top 8 players by GSL points
The second row is ranks 9-16

We can tell that there's no other system to the top 2 rows as group A contains 2nd and 10th ranks, which is objectively stronger than Group F (8th and 12th).

The bottom 2 rows seem to be filled randomly from 17-32. Group F is (going purely on ranks) a bit stronger than, say, Group B, as Group F has Check (18th) and Idra (21st), but Group B has MVP (28th - whether or not he deserves that is another issue entirely) and JookToJung (32nd).

I'm going to stop investigating this now to see what other people have posted.
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drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
December 14 2010 12:02 GMT
#36
Hm I wonder what matchup NaDa will practice.. As everyone else in this thread have already stated, the groups suck.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
December 14 2010 12:03 GMT
#37
Yeah, they should have three buckets. One for each race, and just make sure that the races are evenly distributed.
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Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
December 14 2010 12:05 GMT
#38
Pfft less whine about drawing, there were top seeds for each group, 2nd seeds and then 'the rest' pretty good system imo, yea unfortunate that both foreigners in same group but so what? They both have a realistic chance of making it through and you can't have tournaments be so predictable in who goes into what group, this is Code S, these players are pretty damn good, its not like going to the WC only to find theres a group with Honduras/San Marino/Andorra/Azerbaijan or anything like that
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 12:09:58
December 14 2010 12:07 GMT
#39
On December 14 2010 21:03 ParasitJonte wrote:
Yeah, they should have three buckets. One for each race, and just make sure that the races are evenly distributed.


This still wouldnt prevent foreigners or same team member to enter the same group, and the complaints would still be there. Should they then draw the groups based of some weird Algorithm for Race/Nationality/Team?

How about prefered match up? Maybe two top players enters the same group -> still complaints?
You see where im heading with this.
Random is the only truly neutral solution
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nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 14 2010 12:09 GMT
#40
Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic.
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