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bearhug
United States999 Posts
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
there's 9 protoss, 9 zers and 14 terrans, why would there be a group with 3 protoss and another with 3 terran and 3 zerg?? that's stupido imo Idra and Jinro in the same group also sucks.. hope they make it tho! | ||
Thoramas
Singapore152 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44336 Posts
EDIT: Yeah.... I assume everyone's going to voice this exact same concern. lol. | ||
Maawaak
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Zaka
Netherlands372 Posts
edit: nevermind, link finally loaded for me. | ||
Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Also, el oh el at group F. Spot the intruder. =p | ||
roadrunner343
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Holgerius
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Deleted User 61629
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Clipped
France122 Posts
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
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Blitzmarine
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On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. No one. Just pure luck. | ||
fams
Canada731 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
is it a shame? yes but so is life sometimes :/ should they fix the group? absolutely not | ||
LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ Its oftenly refered to as 'bad luck' :/ | ||
bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? ![]() On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though... | ||
arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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KDN
Norway96 Posts
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? ![]() Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though... Afaik they used seeds on the basis of individual strength (performance in GSL). Seems fair to me, it's just bad luck that Jinro and Idra went to the same group. | ||
stumpster
United States67 Posts
Oh well, should be interesting. Hopefully both Idra and Jinro advance out of group H. | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
It''s unlucky but the all groups are pretty much very sick. They are really awesome players so we can expect some awesome matches coming up. | ||
Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Keeping the two foreigners apart would not be a big deal or break the randomness. | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:34 Clipped wrote: At least one oGs will be at risk of relegation in group f I have a feeling it's going to be nada ![]() I'm pretty sure it's going to be Inca. Or at least should be, based on skill. He never showed anything special, and played quite bad at Dreamhack the last I saw him. | ||
Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
I think both Jinro and Idra can feasibly make it out of that group, I'd certainly expect at least one of them to do so. | ||
PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
![]() Boxer with T, P and Z in a group, MC with 2 other P and Jinro and Idra same group lol | ||
Nich
397 Posts
rainbow carrying startale by himself =\ | ||
Zaka
Netherlands372 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote: It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. >Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? Uh, yes? It's called a drawing. Three pots with each a race. Every group will at least get one T, Z and P. ![]() > The most neutral solution is random. Yup, but it's also the most retarded. See OP for reference. | ||
Mr Mauve
United Kingdom386 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? ![]() Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though... It seems to be just random enough to be annoying. The top row is the top 8 players by GSL points The second row is ranks 9-16 We can tell that there's no other system to the top 2 rows as group A contains 2nd and 10th ranks, which is objectively stronger than Group F (8th and 12th). The bottom 2 rows seem to be filled randomly from 17-32. Group F is (going purely on ranks) a bit stronger than, say, Group B, as Group F has Check (18th) and Idra (21st), but Group B has MVP (28th - whether or not he deserves that is another issue entirely) and JookToJung (32nd). I'm going to stop investigating this now to see what other people have posted. | ||
drlame
Sweden574 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:03 ParasitJonte wrote: Yeah, they should have three buckets. One for each race, and just make sure that the races are evenly distributed. This still wouldnt prevent foreigners or same team member to enter the same group, and the complaints would still be there. Should they then draw the groups based of some weird Algorithm for Race/Nationality/Team? How about prefered match up? Maybe two top players enters the same group -> still complaints? You see where im heading with this. Random is the only truly neutral solution | ||
nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote: Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic. I'm with you. The better players advance. | ||
z00t
Australia976 Posts
![]() ![]() Oh well - at least it gives us the potential for foreigner-on-foreigner action, even though that's both awesome and depressing at the same time (if it's not the finals, in which case it'd just be awesome ![]() | ||
Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:09 nokz88 wrote: Some people just cannot be satisfied... random is random folks, and that's how it should be. You guys must be thinking it's better for the foreigners, but I think that rigging the brackets for them to increase their chances is an insult to their abilities as a player. I am confident that both Jinro and Idra can pull it off with determination and work ethic. Exactly. Last time we had a thread that GOM was rigging every matchup for Boxer. Now we have complaints about the groups .The S league draws were done by the players themselves and GOM together. How can this be rigged or bad... It's fine as it is. I'm open to good suggestions and welcome people to convince me otherwise but this method was just the best thing to do. We don't have an even distribution of races in the S league (random also counts for it) so having pots with T/Z/P/R in it cannot be done. | ||
.kv
United States2332 Posts
SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this | ||
netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:14 .kv wrote: Group G is pretty weak as well IMO whereas Group B is stacked. I will be amazed if jookToJung makes it out of that. SotG/Artosis Interview should be coming soon about this. I want to hear what they have to say about this Group G has MK and Clide. They are pretty good. | ||
hybridsc
United States63 Posts
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Zeburial
Sweden1126 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
We all know what Jinro and IdrA are capable of and Ensnare (Saw some games of him vs HuK this morning....geez he just stomped him) and Check are both extremely skilled and talented. Scary scary group and if both Jinro and IdrA makes it out, then they gain a new level of respect from my side. | ||
rel
Guam3521 Posts
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namedplayer
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
also, i've seen idra ZvZ check many times. check should not be able to beat him. seriously, it's not even CLOSE how much better his ZvZ is. of like 7 or 8 games, idra did not lose one nor did he ever seem in danger. seen him crap on ensnare pretty hard too. obviously Jinro has great TvZ and TvT too as that's what got him to top 4. overall i'm very happy about the brackets i'm only sad about group F because i like everyone there but Sans and i fear either Nada or Inca won't make it when they deserve to. but, it's mostly all good with me | ||
DavidMcF
United Kingdom189 Posts
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Stratchka
Austria165 Posts
And since they apparently seeded the best 8 players from GSL1-3, they also did not end up with stacked groups... I also find it great that they determine the groups so far in advance... now the players have A LOT of time to prepare for their opponents! | ||
Skrelt
Netherlands306 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ This. And lots of oGs in the same groups, hmm | ||
Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? ![]() Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though... Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities (i.e. which group you draw is not independent of the previous draws). If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion. Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is what you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you're feeling lucky) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32. | ||
Moragon
United States355 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:56 Irave wrote: Group F is the strangest of the bunch, 3 oGs with 2 of them being arguably the best in oGs. Definately the scariest of the bunch, I can't tell which 2 you are talking about being arguably the best. I know IncA was ranked #2 in the oGs house for a long time, and recently MC has been ranked #1, but Nada is famous. Im confused. | ||
aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
Group F is gonna be interesting alot of PvP and Nada playing TvP oh yeah!! | ||
Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ ya thats fucked up.... | ||
aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:47 Dagobert wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:46 bRuTaL!! wrote: On December 14 2010 20:23 Thoramas wrote: why are both foreigners in the same group =/ On December 14 2010 20:28 Holgerius wrote: Why did the foreigners have to be placed in the same group? ![]() On December 14 2010 20:33 Inori wrote: Very very very stupid group placements. So many mirrors and the only 2 foreigners in same group. Who came up with this? I hope they will realize this before it's too late. It called random. If it isnt random then what? Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? The most neutral solution is random. One possibility in the future is a seed based grouping but I think you need at least 1 season for that. Nothing stops Idra and Jinro both going through though... Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities. If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion. Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is something you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you want to be conservative about it) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32. Please, learn probability better. The order tickets are being drawn does not matter. Everyone's chance of being drawn for any particular spot is still 1/32. (That said, they do seem to have seeded people who made finals - have they made their policy clear?) | ||
Deleted User 124618
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ahwala
Germany382 Posts
![]() Hard group H. Good luck IdrA & Jinro. | ||
MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Zootre
Denmark180 Posts
for oGs to not have to teamkill they should have 1 player in each group.. pretty insane :D | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote: thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, Spain, and Argentina. group of death! I am interessted which one is which one? I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group. | ||
bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:07 LittleeD wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 21:03 ParasitJonte wrote: Yeah, they should have three buckets. One for each race, and just make sure that the races are evenly distributed. This still wouldnt prevent foreigners or same team member to enter the same group, and the complaints would still be there. Should they then draw the groups based of some weird Algorithm for Race/Nationality/Team? How about prefered match up? Maybe two top players enters the same group -> still complaints? You see where im heading with this. Random is the only truly neutral solution I definitely don't think foreigners should be treated specially somehow. Don't know why everybody thinks so... As a side not, I really think it's totally wrong of GSL to reserve spots for "top foreigners". If they want to aid top foreigners then perhaps help paying some expenses or something, but don't give them special treatment in the tournaments! The "same team" issue is perhaps more serious. But I don't think it's too serious. I think that's something that people would be willing to accept and it wouldn't cause too much harm to the tournament or spectators. Edit: but I get your point. And the point other's is making. And yeah, I didn't mention anything about seeds either. Would be stupid to have the top 3 players in the same group etc. | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
A: NesTea, Maka B: Fruitdealer, MVP C: HongUn, and... uh, somebody. BoxeR, I guess. D: Rain, + either sSKS (which I totally fanboyishly hope for) or choya E: Leenock, Genius F: MC and NaDa. Even if it's full of great players, I'd say NaDa has a huge advantage by only having to practise 1 matchup. G: Seems like the easiest bracket, should be a breeze for MK and Clide H: Well, I'll root for a Jinro + IdrA outcome, but it'll be more likely that Check advaces over one of them Also, I sure hope these brackets shut people up about Gom rigging the groups. | ||
Contagious
United States1319 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that. | ||
Moragon
United States355 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:06 Dandel Ion wrote: Prediction: E: Leenock, Genius Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2. The only reason MC may be in the season 3 finals is that he didnt have to play Rainbow. The guy just doesnt lose to toss, and theres 2 toss in his group. | ||
daxile
Canada829 Posts
Group A: Nestea, Maka Group B: FruitDealer, MVP Group C: HongUn, BoxeR Group D: Kyrix, Tester Group E: Leenock, Genius Group F: MC, NaDa Group G: MarineKing, Clide Group H: Check, IdrA (sorry jinro ![]() I wanna see Kyrix and Tester decimate their group ;O | ||
Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:08 ParasitJonte wrote: Reading this thread again: wow, I really don't get why people think it's wrong to have 2 "foreigners" in the same group. If you're just sad about it, that's one thing of course. But some seem to imply that GOM should have adjusted for that. They adjusted fine for BoxeR many times GSL3 =/ | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:12 Moragon wrote: Any reason? Rainbow is the seeded player in that group, assassinating the last protoss in GSL 1 and 2 quarterfinals, Tester in season 1 and Genius in season 2. Because he looked really weak in GSL3. Maybe he's just not good at TvZ (which would mean that Leenock would still walk all over him). Also, Genius could've beaten him in his semis, if he played his own builds instead of ripping off InCa's style and failing at it. Which, as I recall, he admitted in his Interview. I honestly expect Genius to beat him this time. And since Leenock can probably take both Genius and Rainbow, those two are the ones I see advancing. (Plus, I just don't like Rainbow, but that's just a minor factor in my decision!) | ||
Moragon
United States355 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I can understand wanting to be random but couldn't you put some parameters into the group settings to make them not a joke? If people do think random is the only way then there is no reason you shouldn't be able to reshuffle these results randomly again (don't even tell us if u dont want tho it's too late now). There isn't a reasonable person alive who can look at these brackets and think they are good in any conceivable way. Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group. | ||
Intangibil
Romania20 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:25 On_Slaught wrote: Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group. Oh boy here we go again. Tell me, why isn't he in a 4 Terran group then, hmmm? | ||
Teton
France1656 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:25 On_Slaught wrote: What horrible groups. Such an absurd amount of mirrors as well as team kills (and the single foreigner kill). I can understand wanting to be random but couldn't you put some parameters into the group settings to make them not a joke? Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group. Disagree. | ||
s1eger
United States126 Posts
Group A: Nestea, Maka Group B: FruitDealer, MVP Group C: HongUn, BoxeR Group D: Kyrix, sSKS Group E: Leenock, Rainbow Group F: MC, NaDa Group G: MarineKing, Clide (weird and really easy group) Group H: Idra, Jinro | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
Also, the same goes for Check, who I guess was kind of a hero in Season 1 to be the 2nd farthest advancing Zerg...but his list of wins is even less impressive taking out Sans and some WeRRas essentially. I think Jinro has the best shot in that group, and it's a toss up on the other 3 players - probably Ensnare if you can prove to still be good again, but if not, I'd bet IdrA. All the other groups are pretty tough...Nestea has the easiest opponents by far though, and it's kind of funny MK is in a group WITHOUT zergs...so he might have a problem there. | ||
Widar
Sweden261 Posts
B: FruitDealer, MVP C: HongUn, BoxeR D: Kyrix, Tester E: Genius, Leenock F: MC, NaDa G: MarineKing, Clyde H: Jinro, Check | ||
Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: is there anything there about the map pool? Probably "randomly" chosen. A.K.A. Steppes -> Delta -> Jungle Basin | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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bRuTaL!!
Finland588 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:00 Zaka wrote: >Sorting based on teams, nationality, race? Uh, yes? It's called a drawing. Three pots with each a race. Every group will at least get one T, Z and P. And what will you say to those that think it should be based on nationality instead? Or teams? What about seeds? On December 14 2010 21:47 Dagobert wrote: Actually this is a misconception. It isn't neutral, nor is it random. The order in which people draw the tickets is already a confounding factor. The df (degrees of freedom) decrease with every person who draws. It's not random, this is just a matter of conditional probabilities (i.e. which group you draw is not independent of the previous draws). If I knew more about the procedure they used I could say more, but from what I could gather, this is the conclusion. Also, if the 'most equal' distribution is what you're aiming for, then using this sort of "randomization" is not a good choice because sample distributions for variables only start to even out at n>30 (25 if you're feeling lucky) per group. So if you want an even distribution of skill/race within each of the 8 cells, that's at least N=240 (200) players in total. We're at 32. I dont know if I understand you correctly, but if I do, your wrong ![]() | ||
Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
edit: went back to the rankings again, yeah it looks like they seeded the top 16 Top 8 Group B - 1. TSL_FruitDealer - 8850 points Group A - 2. IMNesTea - 8799 points Group E - 3. ST_RainBOw - 6799 points Group G - 4. MarineKingPrime.WE - 5500 points Group F - 5. oGsMC - 4649 points* Group D - 6. TSL_Rain - 4350 points* Group C - 7. HongUnPrime.WE - 4299 points Group H - 8. oGsEnsnare - 3199 points Top 9-16 Group C - 9. SlayerSBoxeR - 2850 points Group A - 10. MakaPrime.WE - 2549 points Group H - 11. Liquid`Jinro - 2500 points Group G - 11. NEXLiveForever - 2500 points Group F - 13. oGsInCa - 2199 points Group E - 14. NsP_Genius - 2149 points Group B - 14. oGsZenio - 2149 points Group D - 16. KyrixZenith - 1799 points Group D - 16. ChoyafOu - 1799 points | ||
zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:40 Horse...falcon wrote: It's not completely random is it? Nestea, Fruitdealer, Rainbow, Marineking, MC, and Rain are all in different groups. It looks like they were careful to separate the top seeds into different groups. The 8 players with the most points were seeded into separate groups, correct. | ||
Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
I wonder if they can set it up in such a way that if two players from the same group progress and don't lose until they meet each other again, they would meet in the final. | ||
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zak
Korea (South)1009 Posts
On December 14 2010 21:58 esperanto wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote: thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, France, and Argentina. group of death! I am interessted which one is which one? I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group. hehe Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! | ||
papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
Also, SO many mirror matchups and team kills. Why are there two groups with three Terrans and one group with three Zergs? Why is there one group with three oGs members in it? Gah, I hope someone at GomTV comes to their senses before the next league starts. | ||
Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Not to mention- + Show Spoiler + TSL_Rain cheeses his way to the finals of Season 3, so he gets choya, the most aggro zerg in the GSL, and the anti-cheese himself Tester. Owned. | ||
Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:55 zak wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 21:58 esperanto wrote: On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote: thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, France, and Argentina. group of death! I am interessted which one is which one? I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group. hehe Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! I would think Kyrix is more like the German blitzkrieg offense, and Choya's FF defense is more like Spain. The joke, overall, was funny though. =p | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:25 On_Slaught wrote: Also, I like how "randomly" Boxer ends up with a complete joke of a group. Boxer will lose to both HongUn and TheWind, you'll see. I like the groups. GSL 3 was obviously set up to provide the most entertaining matches, but at some point it appeared really...."designed"....as if the tournament was indeed pre-planned. Now the groups are "terrible", but in a good way, if I make any sense at all. Completely random, some hard groups some easy ones, some with many mirrors some with few, some with teamkills incoming (MC vs Inca vs Nada will be awsome³), some with many different teams - I like it. Genius having to play against the "easy" rainbow again after the fail in GSL 2 will be interesting. | ||
PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:55 zak wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 21:58 esperanto wrote: On December 14 2010 20:36 zak wrote: thanks for this! wow group D has Brazil, Germany, France, and Argentina. group of death! I am interessted which one is which one? I dont like to see so many players of one team in one group (like oGs in group F, B or C), things like this end up in situations where you either eliminate your teammate or trade points so you both can advance. They should have had a system for their picking where teammates cant end up in the same group. hehe Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! Rofl at France comparison, perfection. | ||
fainez
United States91 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 14 2010 23:35 xza wrote: Group F is a little overkill. Why the hell did they put 3 oGs members in 1 group It's called random. Also with both IdrA and Jinro in the same group...anybody realize that this increases the chances that one foreigner makes it through quite heavily? | ||
NehR
Sweden87 Posts
But as I just completely love mirror MU's I couldn't be more happy. | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:55 zak wrote: Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! Following that analogy, Idra is England. The media talks about how awesome he is and how he's gonna go far, but when he gets knocked out early everybody starts talking about how overrated and predictable he is. =D | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 14 2010 23:41 ChokedKitten wrote: I love the fact that people are whining over the groups. It shows that people really care and want what's best for the players (and the most entertainment value). But as I just completely love mirror MU's I couldn't be more happy. I agree but it is a bit annoying though. But people have become fans of some certain players so they care a lot and want the best for them. But this is the S league the highest level or consistent of the GSL players are there. So naturally there are going to be many upsets. Some groups have players who could potentially be finals worthy and there are 2-3 (this is just a random number) in each group so people are already going to be disappointed that 1 won't make it through to the 2nd groupstage. But still Bo1 with high level players. It is mind boggling but also going to be very tense to see what they will show out of their sleeve. | ||
HydroXy
United States513 Posts
Probably just as bad to be in group F with 3/4 being teammates on oGs | ||
dartoo
India2889 Posts
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
On December 14 2010 23:44 Talin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 22:55 zak wrote: Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! Following that analogy, Idra is England. The media talks about how awesome he is and how he's gonna go far, but when he gets knocked out early everybody starts talking about how overrated and predictable he is. =D And then he talks in his "jolly old England" accent and rips on the people who beat him. =D | ||
Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:07 Arcanefrost wrote: lol sanzenith is so fucked ^^ At least no zerg in his group, so no more cannon-FEs ![]() | ||
MadZ
Denmark111 Posts
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farseerdk
Canada504 Posts
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Canada4525 Posts
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
On December 14 2010 23:44 Talin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 22:55 zak wrote: Tester is Brazil - The tried and tested player. Kyrix is Argentina - Messi like ATTACK! Choya is Germany - Superb FF DEFENSE and Rain is France - Anything for a win. Cheesing and head-butting, all is fair! Following that analogy, Idra is England. The media talks about how awesome he is and how he's gonna go far, but when he gets knocked out early everybody starts talking about how overrated and predictable he is. =D I really dont get this anology. He got 2nd in IEM, 1st in MLG NY or wherever it was, and the only foreigner to qualify for each GSL, and even finishing as high as top 16 once, and never lower than 32. How anyone in their right minds can call that overrated I have no clue. | ||
paradigmsort
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 14 2010 22:32 Fa1nT wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 22:30 BLinD-RawR wrote: is there anything there about the map pool? Probably "randomly" chosen. A.K.A. Steppes -> Delta -> Jungle Basin I meant custom maps,but I guess thats asking too much.......we won't be having customs for a while I guess. | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:19 paradigmsort wrote: is there any seeding in this? It looked for a moment that the top 8 from S3 were all in separate groups, but group D has ![]() ![]() It's based on ratings they aquired on all 3 seasons. The top8 are drawn to each separate group and the rated 9-16 do the same. The rated 17-32 however could get in the same groups which has happened I believe. | ||
allen_ami
China1392 Posts
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Fedex
United States28 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:24 Fedex wrote: ...Group F is ridiculous. Zenith, Inca, MC aaaand Nada? Its called a group of death and its not ridiculous.We see one of these every OSL. On December 15 2010 00:23 allen_ami wrote: it is BO3 for group stage? its BO1 round robin,BO3 would take ridiculously long to cast. Welcome to Teamliquid by the way. | ||
frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
Idra nd Jinro in the same group, 3/4 oGs members in group F. SERIOUSLY. Was this a random draw? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:29 Scoop wrote: There's one group with 3/4 protoss, one group of 3/4 zerg and three groups of 3/4 terrans... Couldn't they possible have evened the races out between these groups? There's three groups without a protoss.... WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?! Idra nd Jinro in the same group, 3/4 oGs members in group F. SERIOUSLY. Was this a random draw? I'm pretty sure it was a random draw. | ||
PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:08 sleepingdog wrote: At least no zerg in his group, so no more cannon-FEs ![]() You mean manner cannon nexus block? | ||
Fedex
United States28 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:26 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 00:24 Fedex wrote: ...Group F is ridiculous. Zenith, Inca, MC aaaand Nada? Its called a group of death and its not ridiculous.We see one of these every OSL. Yep, aware that it's a group of death, which by definition is ridiculous from a spectators point of view. Every game is going to cause a huge stir, no matter who wins. | ||
Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
I wonder how they came up with these groups | ||
Tyree
1508 Posts
The community needs in general just to let go a bit and enjoy the tournaments instead of nitpicking everything. | ||
Champagne
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:41 Champagne wrote: I hope Clide gets second and Idra, first in their respective groups. It'd be great to see a Macro TvZ for once. Jinro against Idra?? Too bad Jinro and Idra are together. But they got a pretty easy group. If this was 100% random they are very very lucky. | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Somnolence
Lithuania127 Posts
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zoOv
Australia269 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:51 Somnolence wrote: I take the groups will be remade after each season? Yes and most likely it will be done in the same matter (maybe next year we're going to see it broadcasted). On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. Already been done by GOM and the community hence they were able to do the drawings in a seeded order. Jinro was in the 9-16 and Idra was in the 17-32 range drawing order. | ||
Philip2110
Scotland798 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings | ||
hi_0
Canada249 Posts
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IrT4nkz
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
If there ever was a good time for bracket rigging, this would be it. All of these guys made Code S so there isn't really an argument for favoritism, but no one wants to see teamkill mirror matches all day in the Ro64. Also, awful, awful luck for jooktojung and sanzenith. | ||
Sleight
2471 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:20 bearhug wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/news/292 Red -Z, Blue -T, Green-P ![]() Group A: 3 Terran, 2 from WE Group B: 3 Zerg, 2 OGS Group C: 2 OGS Group D: 2 TSL Group E: BALANCED GROUP! Group F: 3 Toss, 3 OGS Group G: 3 Terran Group H: Only 2 foreigners So there is exactly 1 group that doesn't have teammates or a heavy race slant. I am VERY unhappy with the groups. They could have managed to get almost 1 Toss per group, and the teams barely needed to have to team kill, cept OGS. | ||
Krigwin
1130 Posts
The guy who cannon blocked himself against Inca, a PvP specialist, MC, a Protoss messiah, and Nada, the legend? At least jooktojung can try his luck at crazy cheesing/all-in against fruitdealer or zenio and hope it works because of the volatility of ZvZ, sanzenith is just screwed. | ||
SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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noD
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
You were complaining when GSL 3 had some team kills, you complained that GOM's seeding and spreading players by the races is not random enough. Now it's totally random, the players did the draws themselves, and you still complain again. | ||
GildedAdonis
United States70 Posts
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timmyfred
United States302 Posts
On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() | ||
GrazerRinge
999 Posts
I think this will be better then Gsl S3...at least i hope =3 Jinro & Idra Hwaiting!!! | ||
koppik
United States676 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
Group B as most difficult and Group G as the weakest | ||
HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
On December 15 2010 01:48 Sleight wrote: Show nested quote + On December 14 2010 20:20 bearhug wrote: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/news/292 Red -Z, Blue -T, Green-P ![]() Group A: 3 Terran, 2 from WE Group B: 3 Zerg, 2 OGS Group C: 2 OGS Group D: 2 TSL Group E: BALANCED GROUP! Group F: 3 Toss, 3 OGS Group G: 3 Terran Group H: Only 2 foreigners So there is exactly 1 group that doesn't have teammates or a heavy race slant. I am VERY unhappy with the groups. They could have managed to get almost 1 Toss per group, and the teams barely needed to have to team kill, cept OGS. Wouldn't it also be kind of like a team kill since its jinro and ensare? | ||
Aikin
Austria532 Posts
After seeing this groups im pretty pumped for the first S-Class tournement because there wont be like 50% nonames in the first round. Seeded tournements are great when you already know who to root for.) | ||
mprs
Canada2933 Posts
Here are the team numbers (feel free to edit this into OP): 8 oGs 6 Prime.WE 4 TSL 4 ZeNEX 3 f0u 2 IM 1 sls 1 TL 1 NsP 1 ST 1 EG | ||
Klamity
United States994 Posts
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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EsMors
53 Posts
TvZ: 14 TvP: 12 TvT: 8 ZvP: 5 PvP: 5 ZvZ: 4 I wouldn't say that's so many mirrors. Actualy, I love the way they are drawing the groups. How boring would it be if every season would look almost the same, because they have to take teams, races and nationality into account? Stuff like Jinro and Idra being in the same group is great, it adds tension and makes everything more dramatic. In a year, I will be able to remember this tournament, because it will be the one where Idra and Jinro had to play against eachother early, and where oGs had a lot of team kills. If they hand picked the groups so everything was as "fair" and homogenous as possible, none of the tournaments would have anything special about them. | ||
Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Yeah, replace Idra with 17-32 seed with some other 17-32 seed players. Like put him in Group F instead of sanZenith. Or in Group B instead of jookTo. Or E instead of Anypro. Those groups would all be harder for Idra imho. Ensare didnt show anything after GSL1. Check is about the same level as Idra. And I'd give Idra the edge over Jinro in a macro game. Of course you can go "Well - let's switch Idra (17-32seed) with Nestea (Top8 seed)" and he's going to have an easier group. But that doesnt make sense. I'm honestly more worried about the BO1 stuff. Cheese & Allins prevail! | ||
reprise
Canada316 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On December 15 2010 02:54 Bear4188 wrote: My feeling is that IdrA and Jinro are the better players in that group, but it's a Bo1 from what I understand so it's entirely possible for them to both lose as well. or both of them to win | ||
Kyouya
Mexico318 Posts
On December 15 2010 02:53 reprise wrote: Poor group F. Hopefully Nada makes it out ![]() Hahaha what!? More like ENSNARE and Jinro, Ensnare is a B-E-A-S-T. | ||
Khalum
Austria831 Posts
What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid. ... which gets really old after 9 pages of ppl telling other ppl that it's based on seeds and drawing? Thanks a lot. [1] http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/forum/6819 | ||
Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() Then again, group F (with Nada, MC, Inca and san) is supposed to be the second easiest going by that criteria. So yeah, I don't think that's exactly an accurate determination of skill. | ||
Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On December 15 2010 02:54 Senx wrote: What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid. wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group? why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:08 awu25 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 02:54 Senx wrote: What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid. wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group? why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw Lol agreed. Its just that fanboys here don't want to see foreigners possibly knocking each other hahaha. Remember, GomTV cares about foreigners in the GSL but they still want the Code S dominated by Koreans. | ||
1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:08 awu25 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 02:54 Senx wrote: What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid. wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group? why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw Because GOMTV wants to appeal to the foreign community? They're milking money off of us through their choppy stream, putting the only 2 foreigners to make the 32 man tournament in the same grp isn't exactly a smart business plan. | ||
Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:22 riverkim09 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 03:08 awu25 wrote: On December 15 2010 02:54 Senx wrote: What the fuck? They put the two foreigners in the same grp? .. wow .. this is stupid. wtf? the put 4 koreans in the same group? why the hell should they go out of their way to split up the foreigners in a random draw Lol agreed. Its just that fanboys here don't want to see foreigners possibly knocking each other hahaha. Remember, GomTV cares about foreigners in the GSL but they still want the Code S dominated by Koreans. Because it would be smarter and attract more viewers to split up all the big-names. There's no favoritism or match-fixing there, these guys are all Code S so they should be prepared to fight each other. For example, let's say there are only four players: LegalMind, JooktoJung, Jinro, and Idra. What sounds like a better scenario: LegalMind vs JooktoJung and Jinro vs Idra, or LegalMind vs Idra and JooktoJung vs Jinro? More people want to watch Jinro and Idra, so in the first scenario where one game has neither of them and instead has some relatively unpopular players, you're going to end up with less views overall. In scenario two on the other hand, all 3 games involve a foreigner so you're going to have more views. It's just smart operation of a tournament. People want to watch big names more and they prefer inter-race matches rather than mirror matches. People want to watch team rivalries more than they want to watch teamkills. So it makes perfect sense to split up the big names, races, and teams. Imagine if there was some BW tournament where Flash had to face off against Jaedong in the first round while every other match was between B-team unknowns. That would be completely awful and once one of them were eliminated views for the entire tournament would be cut almost in half. | ||
MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
Group A- ![]() Group B- ![]() Group C- ![]() Group D- ![]() Group E- ![]() Group F- ![]() Group G- LegalMindZenith Unless ![]() Group H- ![]() What are your picks | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:39 GobIin wrote: If i had to count out 1 person from each group it would be Group A- ![]() Group B- ![]() Group C- ![]() Group D- ![]() Group E- ![]() Group F- ![]() Group G- LegalMindZenith Unless ![]() Group H- ![]() What are your picks I would say CheckPrime is a better zerg than Idra so your group H is wrong. | ||
kcaz
Canada387 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
As it is so many team kills and 2 foreigners in same group ![]() | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:44 kcaz wrote: 2 quick thoughts, like a few people mentioned on the first page, WTF is up with the groups with 3 of X and 1 of Y? And the group with 3 ogs guys? 2 foreigners in the same group? C'mon there should be some discretion with the groups. And 1 question I had, how did sSKS (read: Tester) get code S? GSL1 he made it to the ro8 against HopeTorture/TSL_Rainbow | ||
Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:41 riverkim09 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 03:39 GobIin wrote: If i had to count out 1 person from each group it would be Group A- ![]() Group B- ![]() Group C- ![]() Group D- ![]() Group E- ![]() Group F- ![]() Group G- LegalMindZenith Unless ![]() Group H- ![]() What are your picks I would say CheckPrime is a better zerg than Idra so your group H is wrong. I think IdrA is a better player than check, check's macro doesnt impress me, what would your groups be? | ||
Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
They literally picked their groups out of a hat. Please stfu about "GOM didn't set up the groups properly". It is completely random, they do not have any control over the groups, and this is by far the fairest way to do it. Infact I would expect an outcry if the groups were preset by GOM, as that would just scream of match fixing. It doesn't matter what is best for the foreign community, they can't have favouritism towards certain players or the whole system is flawed. | ||
Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:48 Sakarabu wrote: Why do you people seem to have such a fucking hard time with the concept of a RANDOM draw. They literally picked their groups out of a hat. Please stfu about "GOM didn't set up the groups properly". It is completely random, they do not have any control over the groups, and this is by far the fairest way to do it. Infact I would expect an outcry if the groups were preset by GOM, as that would just scream of match fixing. Please explain how it would be match fixing. Also, they "randomly" picked the GSL3 maps too, and that's how we ended up with Steppes of War in every match. Random isn't always fair and it's definitely not a very smart way to run a tournament. | ||
Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
zvz and pvp are such fickle matchups right now. Unless both people do that same build order usually 1 gets rofl stomped (barring huge mistakes from the bo winner of course) Other than that looks like we are going to have some really awesome games, can't wait. | ||
DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
but seriously, this will be very interesting to watch. sad to see the two foreigners in the same group but the groups seem (are?) random so it happenes. also there will be alot of teamkills and mirror matches If i had to chose for the two advancing players: Group A: maka, nestea Group B: MVP, zenio Group C: Thewind, Hongung (Boxer not lucky with the TvT's here) Group D: tester, rain Group E: leenock, genius Group F: MC, inca (Nada has to show us his TvP) Group G: foxer, clide Group H: idra, ensnare (really tough group to choose from who'll end up winning) | ||
PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:50 Krigwin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 03:48 Sakarabu wrote: Why do you people seem to have such a fucking hard time with the concept of a RANDOM draw. They literally picked their groups out of a hat. Please stfu about "GOM didn't set up the groups properly". It is completely random, they do not have any control over the groups, and this is by far the fairest way to do it. Infact I would expect an outcry if the groups were preset by GOM, as that would just scream of match fixing. Please explain how it would be match fixing. Also, they "randomly" picked the GSL3 maps too, and that's how we ended up with Steppes of War in every match. Random isn't always fair and it's definitely not a very smart way to run a tournament. Uh..if they preset the groups, that means THEY choose the matches, so they have now fixed the matches. They did a random picking + seeding ranking method, there is really no other way to do a tournament that would constitute 'fair'... http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/forum/6819 | ||
svperstar
Sweden60 Posts
Then again they might not make enough money on their premium service for this to make a difference. On the other hand, why would they have reserved spots for foreigners if they didn't care. Also for S1-3 gomtv admitted they seeded every foreign player into different groups, why not continue doing that? | ||
Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
2 weeks later ... WTF groups! Random shit, Jinro Idra rubble rubble foreigners, mirrors ROFLBBQ, who made dis!? | ||
crms
United States11933 Posts
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On December 15 2010 03:50 Krigwin wrote: On December 15 2010 03:48 Sakarabu wrote: Why do you people seem to have such a fucking hard time with the concept of a RANDOM draw. They literally picked their groups out of a hat. Please stfu about "GOM didn't set up the groups properly". It is completely random, they do not have any control over the groups, and this is by far the fairest way to do it. Infact I would expect an outcry if the groups were preset by GOM, as that would just scream of match fixing. Please explain how it would be match fixing. Also, they "randomly" picked the GSL3 maps too, and that's how we ended up with Steppes of War in every match. Random isn't always fair and it's definitely not a very smart way to run a tournament. Because if someone has to pick who fights who there will always be (even a subconcious) level of bias. Even by splitting up the foreigners (or purposely putting them in the same group) you are then saying "Ok we want to give the foreigners an advantage over the Koreans". I hope you can see the flaw in that system and therefore why random seeding is the best option (indeed, the only option). Randomly drawing maps is also a completely different situation to what we have here, even bringing that up shows your complete lack of logic and understanding of the draw. Also something people seem to be completely overlooking is the fact that 2 people from each group go through. So this actually gives both Jinro and Idra a BETTER (or at the very least equal to being in different groups) chance of making it through to the next round. | ||
Raigeki
Hong Kong207 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
a) maka and nestea b) fd and mvp c) boxer and dunno d) cant be predicted e) rainbow and genius f) mc and inca g) foxer and clide h) jinro and ensare or check | ||
TURKISHRAMBO
Canada148 Posts
May the best man win. This will be one SICK tourny. Im guessing this will be streamed on GOMtv? | ||
noD
2230 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:05 TURKISHRAMBO wrote: All groups aside. May the best man win. This will be one SICK tourny. Im guessing this will be streamed on GOMtv? this is for gsl4 so yes it will next year =X | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Assuming winners are assigned 5 points you have nestea, and FD finalists are assigned 4 points: MC, Rain, Rainbow, MarineKingPrime semis are 3: NexLive Ensnare SlayerSBoxeR HongUn Jinro quarters are 2: Choya Kyrix Genius Nada Zenio Maka Inca sSKS and the rest are assigned one point. if you actually tally up each of the groups, you end up with A: 9 B: 9 C: 8 D: 10 (hell group all are quarter finalists or better) E: 8 (but hopetorture is 3rd ranked player by points, so they may assign him extra point of difficulty) F: 9 G: 9 H: 8 So overall, they tried to space out the ranking and result winners across the groups as best they could. Lets face it, while IdrA is one of our foreign heroes, he hasn't shown the results as well as some of the other korean players, and as such was one of the "fill in the hole" guys in the group regardless of his actual skill level or not. As for race balancing, it's never the case for them to try to race balance, they never have when making the brackets, it's based solely on the rankings/results, that way you don't somehow end up putting 2 finalists into the same group because of race balancing. Overall the groups seem pretty even in difficulty if you go by the rankings, except for group D, where you have 3 quarterfinalists and 1 finalist in there (there were no fillers in that group). My predictions are just gonna go by stats because that's the way I gamble: A) Nestea - Maka B) FD and Zenio (maybe mvp, depending on if he improves further or not) C) Boxer and HongUn D) Rain and Tester E) Rainbow and Genius F) MC and Nada G) Foxer and Nexlive (if he plays) otherwise Clide H: Ensnare and Jinro | ||
VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + there was definitely a system to how they set this up, but they can't go by teams, or foreigners or any of the sort, they strickly have to go by the points people have, and arrange it so that the groups are arranged to be of "equal difficulty" Here's some quick analysis that I've done. Assuming winners are assigned 5 points you have nestea, and FD finalists are assigned 4 points: MC, Rain, Rainbow, MarineKingPrime semis are 3: NexLive Ensnare SlayerSBoxeR HongUn Jinro quarters are 2: Choya Kyrix Genius Nada Zenio Maka Inca sSKS and the rest are assigned one point. if you actually tally up each of the groups, you end up with A: 9 B: 9 C: 8 D: 10 (hell group all are quarter finalists or better) E: 8 (but hopetorture is 3rd ranked player by points, so they may assign him extra point of difficulty) F: 9 G: 9 H: 8 So overall, they tried to space out the ranking and result winners across the groups as best they could. Lets face it, while IdrA is one of our foreign heroes, he hasn't shown the results as well as some of the other korean players, and as such was one of the "fill in the hole" guys in the group regardless of his actual skill level or not. As for race balancing, it's never the case for them to try to race balance, they never have when making the brackets, it's based solely on the rankings/results, that way you don't somehow end up putting 2 finalists into the same group because of race balancing. Overall the groups seem pretty even in difficulty if you go by the rankings, except for group D, where you have 3 quarterfinalists and 1 finalist in there (there were no fillers in that group). My predictions are just gonna go by stats because that's the way I gamble: A) Nestea - Maka B) FD and Zenio (maybe mvp, depending on if he improves further or not) C) Boxer and HongUn D) Rain and Tester E) Rainbow and Genius F) MC and Nada G) Foxer and Nexlive (if he plays) otherwise Clide H: Ensnare and Jinro Well there is a thread explaining the exact points system i think first was like 4650 or something... | ||
Alou
United States3748 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:59 Sakarabu wrote: Show nested quote + + Show Spoiler + On December 15 2010 03:50 Krigwin wrote: On December 15 2010 03:48 Sakarabu wrote: Why do you people seem to have such a fucking hard time with the concept of a RANDOM draw. They literally picked their groups out of a hat. Please stfu about "GOM didn't set up the groups properly". It is completely random, they do not have any control over the groups, and this is by far the fairest way to do it. Infact I would expect an outcry if the groups were preset by GOM, as that would just scream of match fixing. Please explain how it would be match fixing. Also, they "randomly" picked the GSL3 maps too, and that's how we ended up with Steppes of War in every match. Random isn't always fair and it's definitely not a very smart way to run a tournament. Because if someone has to pick who fights who there will always be (even a subconcious) level of bias. Even by splitting up the foreigners (or purposely putting them in the same group) you are then saying "Ok we want to give the foreigners an advantage over the Koreans". I hope you can see the flaw in that system and therefore why random seeding is the best option (indeed, the only option). Randomly drawing maps is also a completely different situation to what we have here, even bringing that up shows your complete lack of logic and understanding of the draw. Also something people seem to be completely overlooking is the fact that 2 people from each group go through. So this actually gives both Jinro and Idra a BETTER (or at the very least equal to being in different groups) chance of making it through to the next round. I don't see the flaw in that system actually. And it's not giving the foreigners an advantage over the Koreans, it's splitting up the foreigners so we have a smaller chance of foreigners killing foreigners. You're making the mistake of arguing from the assumption that "fair" equals good. I don't agree with that assumption. I couldn't care less actually, if the brackets were biased and every match in the first round had a big name versus a lesser-known player. That would end up with a better tournament overall with more big-names clashing later in longer series, thus resulting in better and more balanced games and brackets, and with more viewers total for the tournament which helps esports and helps GomTV. Going back to my original example, if we had a group of four players, Jinro and Idra and two no-names, I would very much like it for the tournament organizers to be biased as hell and give the foreigners an advantage over the Koreans and have Jinro and Idra face off against the two no-names rather than each other in the first round. That would also eliminate the possibility of one of the two foreigners getting knocked out first round while some lesser player advances simply because he was lucky and randomly placed into an easier bracket. That's the epitome of unfairness in my opinion. For example, in this GSL, I don't think it's good for the tournament that KyrixZenith, winner of the all-stars and fantastic player, gets knocked out in the first round while Monster advances. That deprived us of potentially excellent future games from Kyrix simply because he had the bad luck of the draw to face off against a teammate who knew his play inside out in the Ro64. I don't think it's good for the tournament that BitbyBitPrime.WE made it further than Sen, Ret, Boxer, and Idra simply because he had an easier bracket. Three crowd-drawing foreigners and one revolutionary legend get knocked out in the Ro32 while an all-in machine facerolls further into the tournament simply because he had a better luck of the draw. Now, was it "fair"? Perhaps. But it was incredibly bad for the tournament and cost them tons of views and potentially awesome matches. Fair does not equal good. Random does not equal good. Smarter selection of matches and brackets will be better for everyone - better for the players as it ensures fairer matches for all, better for the viewers because it ensures better games and more representation of big-names, and better for the tournament because it gets more views. Don't assume that I agree with your silly belief that being "fair" is good for anyone. Also, explain how random map selection is a "completely" different situation. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Pool 1: Fruitdealer, NesTea, Rainbow, MarineKing, MC, Rain, HongUn, Ensnare Pool 2: Boxer, Maka, Jinro, LiveForever, Inca, Genius, Zenio, Kyrix Pool 3: Choya, Check, sSKS, Nada, Idra, Leenock, TheWind, Clide, SanZenith, MVP, Anypro, TheBestfOu, LegalMind, JookToJung So the players who were successful in GSL 1-3 got spots in pools 1 and 2 and avoided having to face other players who were successful in GSL 1-3. It's a fair system, although not the most exciting with all the mirrors. | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:15 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Lol. oGs has 8 in code S, which is amazing btw, but almost everyone of them is grouped with a teammate.... WTF? + Show Spoiler + there was definitely a system to how they set this up, but they can't go by teams, or foreigners or any of the sort, they strickly have to go by the points people have, and arrange it so that the groups are arranged to be of "equal difficulty" Here's some quick analysis that I've done. Assuming winners are assigned 5 points you have nestea, and FD finalists are assigned 4 points: MC, Rain, Rainbow, MarineKingPrime semis are 3: NexLive Ensnare SlayerSBoxeR HongUn Jinro quarters are 2: Choya Kyrix Genius Nada Zenio Maka Inca sSKS and the rest are assigned one point. if you actually tally up each of the groups, you end up with A: 9 B: 9 C: 8 D: 10 (hell group all are quarter finalists or better) E: 8 (but hopetorture is 3rd ranked player by points, so they may assign him extra point of difficulty) F: 9 G: 9 H: 8 So overall, they tried to space out the ranking and result winners across the groups as best they could. Lets face it, while IdrA is one of our foreign heroes, he hasn't shown the results as well as some of the other korean players, and as such was one of the "fill in the hole" guys in the group regardless of his actual skill level or not. As for race balancing, it's never the case for them to try to race balance, they never have when making the brackets, it's based solely on the rankings/results, that way you don't somehow end up putting 2 finalists into the same group because of race balancing. Overall the groups seem pretty even in difficulty if you go by the rankings, except for group D, where you have 3 quarterfinalists and 1 finalist in there (there were no fillers in that group). My predictions are just gonna go by stats because that's the way I gamble: A) Nestea - Maka B) FD and Zenio (maybe mvp, depending on if he improves further or not) C) Boxer and HongUn D) Rain and Tester E) Rainbow and Genius F) MC and Nada G) Foxer and Nexlive (if he plays) otherwise Clide H: Ensnare and Jinro Well there is a thread explaining the exact points system i think first was like 4650 or something... yeah i just did the math on the rankings, and if you go by rankings, most groups are around the same difficulty based on ranking with 3 major exceptions. (The lower the total, the more high ranked players there are in the group) A: 68 B: 68 C: 63 D: 58 E: 70 F: 65 G: 70 H: 59 group C has a rank 7 and a rank 9 as well as a rank 23 and 24. group D has a rank 6, 16, 17, and 19. group H has a rank 8, 12, 18, and 21. and actually of all the "fill in the hole, non-ro8 players" IdrA is the second highest ranked of them all at 21 only behind CheckPrime at 18. | ||
PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
17:10 - Players who have acquired code S are taking their seats for the drawing. Top 8 players will be seeded in groups A to H. Then players from 9~16th will take turn to draw and will be placed in seperate groups A to H(one player per group). Then players from 17th to 32nd will draw and here there will be chance that two players will draw same groups in a row. | ||
MajorityofOne
Canada2506 Posts
Group B: TSL.Fruitdealer, IMmvp Group C: HongUnPrime.WE, SlayerS_'Boxer' Group D: TSL.Rain, TSL.sSKS Group E: Nsp.Genius, LeenockfOu Group F: oGsMC, oGsNaDa Group G: MarinekingPrime.WE, TSL.Clide Group H: TLAF.Jinro, EGIdra Yeah, I have all 4 TSL advancing and only 2 of 8 oGs. Quality over quantity! | ||
Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:29 jalstar wrote: Also the drawing wasn't entirely random, players were placed into three pools and each group has one player from pools 1 and 2 and two from pool 3. Pool 1: Fruitdealer, NesTea, Rainbow, MarineKing, MC, Rain, HongUn, Ensnare Pool 2: Boxer, Maka, Jinro, LiveForever, Inca, Genius, Zenio, Kyrix Pool 3: Choya, Check, sSKS, Nada, Idra, Leenock, TheWind, Clide, SanZenith, MVP, Anypro, TheBestfOu, LegalMind, JookToJung So the players who were successful in GSL 1-3 got spots in pools 1 and 2 and avoided having to face other players who were successful in GSL 1-3. It's a fair system, although not the most exciting with all the mirrors. They should have gone even further than that. They should have taken one more step and shuffled the players around a little to drop the amount of teamkilling and mirrors a bit. For example, switch Jinro with Inca and MC with Nestea. Now Group F has no teamkilling at all and a better race representation. Switch Kyrix with Maka and Hyperdub with LegalMind, there's another example. That wasn't hard at all and the relative balance of skill has remained the same, but now we have better-looking brackets with less teamkilling and mirrors. What's wrong with that? What exactly is so bad about that that it's unfair and biased and match fixing? | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
These conspiracies don't really help esports at all. If you really think there could be improvements then post your theories on the GOM forum in a mannerfull way. There is no point in discussing what is the better group drawing or seeding system on TL since you need to take it with GOM not TL. Too much whining tbh. I however am super excited for the groupstages. I knew we had so many good players but this is just sick. Can't wait to see oGsMC vs oGsInCa or any of NaDa's games and Tester's games and of IMMVP. | ||
BuzzJuice
United States97 Posts
So many mirrors, and check out that quite a few groups have multiple members of the same team. That's just bad. [Note, yeah, I do feel bad that two foreigners are in the same group, but separating them because of 'lack of foreigners'? Or saying it should be redone because of that? Doesn't that border on the line of 'minority protection' or something?] And especially for groups with so many mirrors like G and F, they only have to practice up to 2 matchups, maybe even one? That really fair considering other groups like C, D and E have to practice all three? My question: If all 16 people are going straight to GSL 4 Ro16, does it mean no one qualifies to Ro16 from the bottom? | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:52 BuzzJuice wrote: This is random, but the really bad kind. Don't know why it should be like this though when you can sort of control, and input in a system that randomizes based on getting unique matchups, controlling for team members etc. So many mirrors, and check out that quite a few groups have multiple members of the same team. That's just bad. [Note, yeah, I do feel bad that two foreigners are in the same group, but separating them because of 'lack of foreigners'? Or saying it should be redone because of that? Doesn't that border on the line of 'minority protection' or something?] And especially for groups with so many mirrors like G and F, they only have to practice up to 2 matchups, maybe even one? That really fair considering other groups like C, D and E have to practice all three? My question: If all 16 people are going straight to GSL 4 Ro16, does it mean no one qualifies to Ro16 from the bottom? What do you mean with My question: If all 16 people are going straight to GSL 4 Ro16, does it mean no one qualifies to Ro16 from the bottom? Only a maximum of 8 players from A league will be able to qualify for GSL 5 S league. It can even happen that 0 players from A league will get into S league. | ||
TheLonelyCarrier
United States36 Posts
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 shell wrote: Can't understand why don't randomize the groups but using a method that could provide less mirrors and team kills! there's 9 protoss, 9 zers and 14 terrans, why would there be a group with 3 protoss and another with 3 terran and 3 zerg?? that's stupido imo Idra and Jinro in the same group also sucks.. hope they make it tho! Doing that would mean it is not randomized -_-" | ||
BuzzJuice
United States97 Posts
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PiousMartyr
Canada176 Posts
On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() It's clearly not 100% random how they made the teams. The top 8 players are all in different groups. Players ranked 9-16 are all in different groups. Then they roughly scattered the bottom 16 players, but roughly made it so that the rankings are mirrored (not sure how else to decribe this). ie: rank 1 paired with rank 32, rank 2 pair with 31, rank 3 paired with 30. It's not exact, but looks like the groups with the best players also have the worst players, and the other groups are all kind of in the middle. | ||
mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:50 shannn wrote: Let's all stop the conspiracies please. Last time it got out of hand and GOM replied and then it made even more useless threads about GOM rigging matches. Do you guys not see this hurts e-sports if you people only complain and come up with conspiracies? Can't you guys just be happy that we have 2 foreigners in the S league and that we have sick matches coming up? These conspiracies don't really help esports at all. If you really think there could be improvements then post your theories on the GOM forum in a mannerfull way. There is no point in discussing what is the better group drawing or seeding system on TL since you need to take it with GOM not TL. Too much whining tbh. I however am super excited for the groupstages. I knew we had so many good players but this is just sick. Can't wait to see oGsMC vs oGsInCa or any of NaDa's games and Tester's games and of IMMVP. Well said. Also I see no need at all for reducing the amount of team killing. oGs has the most players in code S so naturally there will be more team killing. Why should GOM cater to the team that has the most members? | ||
esperanto
Germany357 Posts
And this increases the chance, that at least one foreigner survives the group-rounds. | ||
HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:43 MajorityofOne wrote: Group A: IMNestea, TheBestfOu Group B: TSL.Fruitdealer, IMmvp Group C: HongUnPrime.WE, SlayerS_'Boxer' Group D: TSL.Rain, TSL.sSKS Group E: Nsp.Genius, LeenockfOu Group F: oGsMC, oGsNaDa Group G: MarinekingPrime.WE, TSL.Clide Group H: TLAF.Jinro, EGIdra Yeah, I have all 4 TSL advancing and only 2 of 8 oGs. Quality over quantity! I'm pretty sure you didn't pick quality in group H ![]() | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:22 TheLonelyCarrier wrote: So if I am understanding correctly, this will be 48 best of 3 series between nothing but the cream of the crop players!! That is a ton of high level SC2. So hype! Can't wait! Please read the GSL S league thread in the community news. It's Bo1 in the group stages and there are 2 group stages. On December 15 2010 05:26 BuzzJuice wrote: I basically mean that will there be anyone BESIDES Code S capable of getting into the round of 16? Are these Code S players the only guys we will see in Ro16 and beyond? So there will be no Ro32 because all the slots are filled? And Ro64 and so on? There is a Code S league which means only S code players can play in it. Those S code players are the 32 mentioned in this OP. So naturally the ro16 is going to be only of S code players. There is no ro64 because it's a 32man tournament. Please read the community news to gain more knowledge about this. On December 15 2010 05:27 PiousMartyr wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote: On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() It's clearly not 100% random how they made the teams. The top 8 players are all in different groups. Players ranked 9-16 are all in different groups. Then they roughly scattered the bottom 16 players, but roughly made it so that the rankings are mirrored (not sure how else to decribe this). ie: rank 1 paired with rank 32, rank 2 pair with 31, rank 3 paired with 30. It's not exact, but looks like the groups with the best players also have the worst players, and the other groups are all kind of in the middle. You didn't need to do all that to find out how they made up the groups. GOM did not make the groups however they might have drawn some players into a group if they are unable to themselves. The players who could attend the ceremony drawed themselves. Rank 1-8 players each draws a group meaning they won't be in the same group. Rank 9-16 players are also drawn into a group but cannot be in the same group with eachother but they will be put in the same group as rank 1-8. Then from rank 17-32 each player will draw a group and that is where you will be put. Meaning it is done by a player's draw in which group they are placed in. You may call it unlucky that 3 oGs players managed to draw themselves to the same group. Players that are not able to attend to draw will automatically give GOM the right to draw for them. Don't know for which people this happened. | ||
lindn
Sweden833 Posts
interesting.... | ||
namedplayer
844 Posts
![]() there was a drawing lots and code-s gamers include Idra were there. | ||
koppik
United States676 Posts
On the upside, I'm pretty much sure that SanZenith is going to be the one eliminated from S-code. | ||
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
Group A and B look really scary; particularly group B - there are some big names in the same group. IdrA and Jinro in the same group just sucks; yes i know top 2 progress but it reduces their chances of going through (i think?) | ||
Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:11 namedplayer wrote: ![]() there was a drawing lots and code-s gamers include Idra were there. Wow, NEXLiveforever actually lives?! | ||
Moragon
United States355 Posts
On December 15 2010 03:03 Talin wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote: On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() Then again, group F (with Nada, MC, Inca and san) is supposed to be the second easiest going by that criteria. So yeah, I don't think that's exactly an accurate determination of skill. Its because the champion gets a huge points boost, group F will become third hardest after MC gets that boost, up with the other 2 champions groups. | ||
Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
so many groups with only 2 races in it :/ | ||
LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
Also, how did Tester [at least im assuming TSL SKS in group D is tester] get into class S again? Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with GSL that much, but from what I recall he didn't even make ro64 for at least the first two GSLs and I don't remember seeing him in the 3rd | ||
The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:59 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Shiet, foreigners in same group - foreigners fighting! Also, how did Tester [at least im assuming TSL SKS in group D is tester] get into class S again? Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with GSL that much, but from what I recall he didn't even make ro64 for at least the first two GSLs and I don't remember seeing him in the 3rd He got top 8 in GSL 1 | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
shitty groups tho =/ edit: soz just saw post above, they confirmed random. kind of sucks that there are so many mirrors, clanmates together, and ofc jinro and idra =/ | ||
EliteReplay
Dominican Republic913 Posts
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Boonesbane
United States170 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
i also wouldn't want to be anypro imo if i was idra, i would be happy with my position, drawing ensnare. hell, when a foreigner is the only one you're not 100% sure you can beat in a macro game, that's a divergent trend from SC1 RTS to SC2 RTS. Hope Jinro/Idra both advance, tbh, as I'm sure a lot of you all do! Edit: what i mean to say is... in every group you can be like "OK, this guy is weak" and when I say weak, it's relative. Polt is not as good as some of his teammates, it's pretty much a fact. I'm not saying he's by ANY means weak, just that he is probably not going to advance unless he has some weird raven play up his sleeve... real time is so volatile, even a simple harassment can net you a win. Group D, while not having nestea/foxer/mvp/mc/fruitdealer/whoever you think is best does not have a player that you can say is obviously weaker than the rest. To me, it is between Choya or Kyrix, but both of them are very, very solid. Kyrix will be dangerous to rain, with his banelings. I'm also really interested to see who gets out of E. i'm pretty sure G, while having a ton of points, is like the most evident. Clide and Foxer anyone? | ||
darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
Not that Idra and Jinro's group is the hardest. | ||
koolaid1990
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Arccotangent
519 Posts
On December 15 2010 06:11 namedplayer wrote: ![]() Good to see Tester again. Isn't that Cliiiiiide sitting next to him? | ||
LancerStarcraft
United States235 Posts
Group H: Foreigner group | ||
dOpa
United States166 Posts
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Pangolin
United States1035 Posts
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ccdnl
United States611 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
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RoyaleBrainSlug
United States295 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 15 2010 12:31 ccdnl wrote: If Jinro gets taken out in first group, on top of that by Idra, I will rage smack somebody. No way they'll lose to Check. | ||
Kazzabiss
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:27 PiousMartyr wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 01:59 timmyfred wrote: On December 15 2010 01:34 PartyBiscuit wrote: On December 15 2010 00:56 Koshi wrote: On December 15 2010 00:50 syllogism wrote: There are several easier groups, depending on which players you'd replace idra/jinro with. Not lucky at all really. Somebody will soon count up the points each group achieved over GSL 1,2,3. I am pretty sure Jinro/Idra group scores pretty low. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_Rankings Thanks for that link. I just copied it straight into Excel, added the group for each player, then sorted and summed. Idra/Junro are indeed in the "easiest" group if we use the GSL Code S points as the determination of skill. ![]() ![]() It's clearly not 100% random how they made the teams. The top 8 players are all in different groups. Players ranked 9-16 are all in different groups. Then they roughly scattered the bottom 16 players, but roughly made it so that the rankings are mirrored (not sure how else to decribe this). ie: rank 1 paired with rank 32, rank 2 pair with 31, rank 3 paired with 30. It's not exact, but looks like the groups with the best players also have the worst players, and the other groups are all kind of in the middle. i dont really think the points are very meaningful. only becos the amount of points you get for winning for example is frikken enormous, waaaaay more than like RO4. and i dont think sum1 who won is necessarily 4x better than someone who made RO4 etc | ||
McMonty
Canada379 Posts
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Oh well, hope the games will be fun. Poor NesTea, he'll have 3 matches of all ins every game. | ||
SoJu.WeRRa
Korea (South)820 Posts
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:09 CoR wrote: what a bad luck for tester i really hope he prepared for rushes and cheeses because he will face a t p and z opponent who are all known for strong rushs ![]() this is a funny post ^^ Tester is the anti cheese man so he probably will take all those games into mid-late game. Then it depends on how well the opponent is in that stage :D | ||
FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
It seems that Genius, Boxer and Tester are the only good players who are going to have to practice all three matchups (although to be fair, Boxer probably doesn't have to practice to beat Hyperdub, and same for Genuis vs Anypro. On the other hand, MVP only has to worry about TvZ and Nestea can devote all of his time to | ||
PWRdichotomy
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:14 FuRong wrote: As I posted in the other thread, whoever was complaining about the GSL brackets being rigged can now sit down and be quiet. This is what happens when it's completely random, it's fair but not always pretty =/ It seems that Genius, Boxer and Tester are the only good players who are going to have to practice all three matchups (although to be fair, Boxer probably doesn't have to practice to beat Hyperdub, and same for Genuis vs Anypro. On the other hand, MVP only has to worry about TvZ and Nestea can devote all of his time to I'm probably like the only guy who thinks Tester has probably every MU in his favour seeing all 3 of his opponents are all well known aggressors/cheesers which Tester is probably one of the best if not best Protoss who can handle those pushes ^^ and even having a strong mid-late game lol. | ||
Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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Comrade
Sweden102 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:37 dRaW wrote: These groups have no balance in them what so ever, I mean some of them players only have to practice 1 match up, you'd think they would try to fix these. And that doesn't even matter. If they're truly the best player, they can beat everyone, so it doesn't matter who/what race they face. | ||
teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:44 teamsolid wrote: Couldn't GSL have just made groups by seed, through GSL point rankings? Possibly but then you would have rigged groups accusations which no doubt will come if this happens. To make sure there aren't any accusations on GOM they made it public and fair. As you could see on a screenshot of past pages you saw IdrA and other players attending the draw which was based on GSL point rankings. This is fair and will prevent of any rigging groups by GOM. | ||
johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
having more than 1 of each race is more likely to lead to at least 1 of that race from that group surviving, leading to a more interesting Ro16 and above, instead of just having the later rounds be dominated by 1 race. just my 2c though. | ||
VENDIZ
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On December 15 2010 17:49 johanngrunt wrote: I think even it this isn't random, it's doing a pretty good job. having more than 1 of each race is more likely to lead to at least 1 of that race from that group surviving, leading to a more interesting Ro16 and above, instead of just having the later rounds be dominated by 1 race. just my 2c though. The Ro16 u mean 2nd groupstage right? Although that is a groupstage consisting of 16 players :p Seems that line implies u think it'll be a single elimination and if ur not then my apologies for this comment and disregard it then :D | ||
Milvus
Switzerland400 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
something like choosing who the play against? | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 15 2010 18:46 dahornnn wrote: Anyone know if nada is sick TvP ^_^? Nada seems to be able to play a very good macro game. That should give him an equal footing against a strong late game race, protoss. | ||
Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
Also, how were these groups formed? Random method or what? I'm asking because there are a lot of groups that will be team members vs each other, and that's not cool, because it tends to lead to some freaky mind games, which not a lot of people like to watch. | ||
tertle
Australia328 Posts
Looks like they seeded the top 8 players into seperate groups then filled the rest in randomly. | ||
Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
This makes sense. I personally like this as it creates widely differing fields and any other method involves peoples judgement or favouritism in either direction. Looking forward to it... | ||
noproblem
United Kingdom161 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
As for the groups, completely random like this with only seeding the top 8 (which are basically the GSL finalists + hongun & ensnare) is the best way to do it. Placing players by race, team or nationality would be fairly rediculous. Placing by race would mean alot less mirrors and though many might like to watch those they ARE simply a part of the game. THe underrepresented races (P & Z) would basically never face a mirror in the first rounds then which would make it easier for them and it would be a bad way to conceal real player skill. Placing by team would be even more stupid as being in a great team would be too advantageous then, for example if you were in ogs you would automatically evade about 7 players then, playing in a team should never ever give a direct advantage like that. Finally placing by nationality is silly, it's 90% korean and 10% foreigner anyway. There is no good reason to not let the foreigners run into eachother really. | ||
Mainland
Canada551 Posts
On December 15 2010 19:57 noproblem wrote: How is TSL.sSKS (tester) code S? He never made it past the prelims in the last two GSLs. Not saying he doesn't deserve it after his domination of the beta period but it is a little surprising. He got 1500 points for making Ro8 in GSL1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170463 | ||
bananafever
Austria348 Posts
On December 15 2010 20:30 Mainland wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 19:57 noproblem wrote: How is TSL.sSKS (tester) code S? He never made it past the prelims in the last two GSLs. Not saying he doesn't deserve it after his domination of the beta period but it is a little surprising. He got 1500 points for making Ro8 in GSL1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170463 defending a proxy in skillfull, epic fashion :D | ||
Mainland
Canada551 Posts
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jaminski
England84 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 shell wrote: Can't understand why don't randomize the groups but using a method that could provide less mirrors and team kills! there's 9 protoss, 9 zers and 14 terrans, why would there be a group with 3 protoss and another with 3 terran and 3 zerg?? that's stupido imo Idra and Jinro in the same group also sucks.. hope they make it tho! Doing it that way increases the chances that a protoss or zerg will make it further instead of being knocked out in the first groups. The only way they could make it even higher is having zzzz and pppp groups. | ||
7pool
Sweden103 Posts
On December 15 2010 20:45 jaminski wrote: to many dam mirror matches ![]() He did and he changed his name to MarineKing. | ||
Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
This has been mentioned several times the easiest ref I have found is GOMTV accounces the system for 2011 at the bottom of the primary post EDIT: Top 8 of Code S (players who advance to quarter final) get seeds for next season. For example, Top 8 in GSL 4 will be seeded into each 8 group of GSL 5. | ||
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DrakeFZX3
United States925 Posts
On December 15 2010 21:11 Matrim wrote: Mainland, it was not random. This has been mentioned several times the easiest ref I have found is GOMTV accounces the system for 2011 at the bottom of the primary post Show nested quote + EDIT: Top 8 of Code S (players who advance to quarter final) get seeds for next season. For example, Top 8 in GSL 4 will be seeded into each 8 group of GSL 5. It's already been mentioned in this thread. Top 8 is seeded randomly in different groups. The next 8 get seeded in the other groups. Everyone else is seeded randomly among all the groups. | ||
Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
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United Kingdom372 Posts
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United States316 Posts
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Laurence
Ireland119 Posts
Seriously though that guy was horrible he tried to protect an early expand with cannons on Delta quadrant, all 180 degrees of it, and he couldn't even do it right cause he had to kill his own cannon | ||
mrdepace
United States2 Posts
oGs - 8 (9 if you add jinro) TSL - 4 fOu - 3 Prime.WE has 6 so even they are out performing fOu/TSL ... TSL maybe cause they have a couple players who have gone really deep into the tournament (fruit/rain) but fOu ... lets be honest leenock and choya are the only ones you can actually remember | ||
Romple
United States57 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
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Eko200
United States101 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
I still dont understand how this tourney will work. | ||
Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On December 15 2010 23:44 Sanguinarius wrote: man both foreigners in the same group.... I still dont understand how this tourney will work. they battle it out it in 8 groups of 4 players, the 2 worst players in each of the 8 groups get eliminated. then they battle it out in 4 groups of 4 players, the 2 worst players in each of the 4 groups get eliminated. then we have quarterfinals the usual way then we have semifinals the usual way then we have finals the usual way | ||
Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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m3ss
Hungary28 Posts
A:nestea, poltprime B: zenio, mvp C: wind, hongun D: tester, choya E: leenock, hopetorture F: mc, nada G: foxer, clide H: idra, check gropus b,e,f are pretty hard to pick from.. | ||
m3ss
Hungary28 Posts
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Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
Thanks for the hard work, Adun. | ||
Caveman255
Israel79 Posts
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On December 15 2010 22:15 Monkies wrote: Lotta mirror matches. Group B is clearly the death group. Previous GSL winner in FruitDealer and arguably the best Terran in the world in IMMvp, as well as Zenio who is one of the best zergs. Although group H is pretty scary too. Should be some very close games. It's unfortunate about all of the mirrors and team kills though ![]() Cannot understand why so many people think MVP is the best Terran player. | ||
zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:58 bearhug wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 22:15 Monkies wrote: Lotta mirror matches. Group B is clearly the death group. Previous GSL winner in FruitDealer and arguably the best Terran in the world in IMMvp, as well as Zenio who is one of the best zergs. Although group H is pretty scary too. Should be some very close games. It's unfortunate about all of the mirrors and team kills though ![]() Cannot understand why so many people think MVP is the best Terran player. From what I've seen, MVP is a more refined Starcraft player than Jinro/Foxer. There are not a lot of VODs/Replays released of him, so not a lot of people can see this. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:16 Mephiztopheles1 wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but are the first and second group stage played in Bo1 or Bo3 format? I think this is a thread with the most recent details: (it will be Bo1 for the groups I believe) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177150 | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On December 16 2010 02:15 zerious wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2010 01:58 bearhug wrote: On December 15 2010 22:15 Monkies wrote: Lotta mirror matches. Group B is clearly the death group. Previous GSL winner in FruitDealer and arguably the best Terran in the world in IMMvp, as well as Zenio who is one of the best zergs. Although group H is pretty scary too. Should be some very close games. It's unfortunate about all of the mirrors and team kills though ![]() Cannot understand why so many people think MVP is the best Terran player. From what I've seen, MVP is a more refined Starcraft player than Jinro/Foxer. There are not a lot of VODs/Replays released of him, so not a lot of people can see this. From what I've seen, MVP is well overrated. He might be TOP 10, but definitely not the best. MK is the best Terran, regardless of his playing style. | ||
s[O]rry
Canada398 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
oGs is dominating that board, haha. Go TLAF-oGs! | ||
Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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ZeroTalent
United States297 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:56 hitman133 wrote: wtf, group with 3T,3T and 3Z If you pick randomly, it's actually more likely than not that a couple of groups will have 3 of one race, that a couple of heavy hitters will end up, etc. EDIT: n/m, it looks like they did pick based on seeding. Still unless there is some wacky imbalance where seeds 1-16 are heavy Z and 17-32 are heavy P or something you're still going to end up with a group or two that's heavy on one race. ... also what is with the weird pool play format where it can stop after 2 Turns? Why not just do World Cup style pool play, and have some sort of tiebreaker in the event of three 2-1 or 1-2 teams? >_> | ||
PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 16 2010 05:08 ZeroTalent wrote: If you pick randomly, it's actually more likely than not that a couple of groups will have 3 of one race, that a couple of heavy hitters will end up, etc. It would have been nice if they did it by seed, so each group has one person from the top 8 finishers, one from 9-15. But ohwell. They did, there's a few links to the gom page that shows how they did it. Random drawing by Top 8, than the next 8 than etc.. | ||
legendre20
United States316 Posts
On December 16 2010 01:58 bearhug wrote: Show nested quote + On December 15 2010 22:15 Monkies wrote: Lotta mirror matches. Group B is clearly the death group. Previous GSL winner in FruitDealer and arguably the best Terran in the world in IMMvp, as well as Zenio who is one of the best zergs. Although group H is pretty scary too. Should be some very close games. It's unfortunate about all of the mirrors and team kills though ![]() Cannot understand why so many people think MVP is the best Terran player. Well that's why I said arguably ^___^ I'd put him up there myself though. Along with others like Clide, Rainbow, Ensnare, Top, MarineKing, and Jinro. | ||
Mystgun
Hong Kong311 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
Sad to see such a low representation of protoss as well. 9/9/14 is a decent split, but not being represented at all in 3 of the 8 groups ensures that less protoss are going to advance than we could be seeing. I really can't stand to watch many more TvZ's, and it seems like GSL has been dominated by them in the past three tournaments. (strangely enough, I don't mind the mirrors like I do TvZ that isn't Foxer.) I'm also not seeing tester going very far with that group. TSL.Rain, Kyrix, and Choya? Given his GSL history, even though I would like to see "the best protoss" (I haven't seen any of his recent games to be able to be sure in that statement) advance, it doesn't look likely. | ||
iGX
Australia414 Posts
"we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? | ||
ch0c0b0fr34k
United States452 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: is this GOMtv's way of messing with the players and fans altogether? i think this is their idea of a joke. "we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? It's random, genius. | ||
Tygaa
United States40 Posts
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: is this GOMtv's way of messing with the players and fans altogether? i think this is their idea of a joke. "we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? dont forget putting marineking in a group with no zerg! but yeah its random. i think they should alter the system slightly, so its random but with 1 sorta "hero" player in each group. i think theyve done that seeing how all the legends/heroes (boxer, nada, FD, nestea) are not in the same group. but they kinda screwed it up with jinro/idra there. | ||
Werk
United States294 Posts
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
On December 16 2010 13:19 fuzzy_panda wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: is this GOMtv's way of messing with the players and fans altogether? i think this is their idea of a joke. "we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? dont forget putting marineking in a group with no zerg! but yeah its random. i think they should alter the system slightly, so its random but with 1 sorta "hero" player in each group. i think theyve done that seeing how all the legends/heroes (boxer, nada, FD, nestea) are not in the same group. but they kinda screwed it up with jinro/idra there. The top eight seeded players are split into each group then the rest are randomized in. So they kind of did that already. | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: is this GOMtv's way of messing with the players and fans altogether? i think this is their idea of a joke. "we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? stop whining. How would have done it? | ||
VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
On December 16 2010 16:45 riverkim09 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: is this GOMtv's way of messing with the players and fans altogether? i think this is their idea of a joke. "we know fruitdealer doesn't play ZvZ much so just for shits and giggles, let's put him with a group of zergs" "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" "there's too many oGs players...let's cause some tension among their camp by putting 3 of them in the same group" seriously GOM TV wtf are you doing? stop whining. How would have done it? Seriously! If someone has a weak matchup: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! If someone has a strong matchup: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! If someone is in a group with a teamate: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! Foreigners make it into the GSL: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! Tasteless gets sick: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! Some 11 year old orphan in Bangladesh just happens to blow his nose when somebody GG's: *BAM* Conspiracy!!! It's obvious that no matter what GOMTV does somewhere someone's feelings are going to get hurt. Boo Hoo. Please just stop complaining. | ||
zLnoEk
United States95 Posts
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Typhon
United States387 Posts
On December 16 2010 10:38 iGX wrote: "we know that the foreigners are doing really well so let's put them in the same group to kill each other for our own entertainment" by "really well" you mean 12th and 21st in rankings? Regardless of how well they are doing, each group has a top8 seed, and ogsEnsnare is one of the easier top8 you could put into their group. They could easily have fallen in a group with one of the Champion Zergs or MC, and then you'd have a lot more reason to whine. | ||
mDuo13
United States307 Posts
Totally excited for this to happen. | ||
AiZeNs
United States5 Posts
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Mindflow
Korea (South)320 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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Pandaren
Norway1 Post
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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zhouzhou
Canada138 Posts
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Knee
73 Posts
sorry for the newbie question. I would really like to know so I can schedule around it. Can anyone help a guy out? | ||
doubled
Sweden111 Posts
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
-IMmvp: Terran loves zerg -Kyrixzenith: Not the hardest group and good matchups for him I think -LeenockfOu: Same as above -LegalMindZenith: Granted I dont know him but protoss loves terran Players who will have a hard time advancing: -IMNesTea: 3x terran = game over -oGsNaDa: 3x protoss = game over From group H anyone can advance really. | ||
Knee
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Swiki
Finland5 Posts
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:23 shell wrote: Can't understand why don't randomize the groups but using a method that could provide less mirrors and team kills! there's 9 protoss, 9 zers and 14 terrans, why would there be a group with 3 protoss and another with 3 terran and 3 zerg?? that's stupido imo Idra and Jinro in the same group also sucks.. hope they make it tho! First people complain that the setups are rigged because they aren't random. Then they randomize and the results are as expected: clusters of same races, etc and people yet again complain. Maybe before complaining on things like random maps and matchups people should educate themselves on how random works. | ||
Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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Deserex
United States317 Posts
Group A - 1st. IMNesTea; 2nd. MakaPrime.WE Group B - 1st. FruitDealer; 2nd. IMmvp Group C - 1st. SlayerS_`BoxeR`; 2nd. oGsHyperdub Group D - 1st. TSL.Rain; 2nd. choyafOu Group E - 1st. St.RainBOw; 2nd. LeenockfOu Group F - 1st. oGsMC; 2nd. oGsInca Group G - 1st. MarineKingPrime.WE; 2nd. TSL.Clide Group H - 1st. EGIdra; 2nd. oGsEnsnare (Sorry Jinro) | ||
TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
I sure will enjoy the ZvZs, and I'm sure protosses will enjoy the PvPs. Now that there actually ARE PvP matches, people will be forced to practice them and be creative...as in finding new ways to get collosi faster =D | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 20 2010 00:43 Steel wrote: I'm sad that Jinro and Idra are in the same group. Random definitely failed GSL4 but oh well, will surely be some interesting matches. I sure will enjoy the ZvZs, and I'm sure protosses will enjoy the PvPs. Now that there actually ARE PvP matches, people will be forced to practice them and be creative...as in finding new ways to get collosi faster =D Oh? just because two foreigners are in the same group and probably only one will make it out makes GSL 4 fail? Please don't watch it then. | ||
GrapeD
Canada679 Posts
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
On December 19 2010 07:08 Deserex wrote: My Predictions: Group A - 1st. IMNesTea; 2nd. MakaPrime.WE Group B - 1st. FruitDealer; 2nd. IMmvp Group C - 1st. SlayerS_`BoxeR`; 2nd. oGsHyperdub Group D - 1st. TSL.Rain; 2nd. choyafOu Group E - 1st. St.RainBOw; 2nd. LeenockfOu Group F - 1st. oGsMC; 2nd. oGsInca Group G - 1st. MarineKingPrime.WE; 2nd. TSL.Clide Group H - 1st. EGIdra; 2nd. oGsEnsnare (Sorry Jinro) im pretty sure jinro will undisputedly win group H. i think he is only going to get better. | ||
riverkim09
United States291 Posts
On December 20 2010 15:48 beat farm wrote: Show nested quote + On December 19 2010 07:08 Deserex wrote: My Predictions: Group A - 1st. IMNesTea; 2nd. MakaPrime.WE Group B - 1st. FruitDealer; 2nd. IMmvp Group C - 1st. SlayerS_`BoxeR`; 2nd. oGsHyperdub Group D - 1st. TSL.Rain; 2nd. choyafOu Group E - 1st. St.RainBOw; 2nd. LeenockfOu Group F - 1st. oGsMC; 2nd. oGsInca Group G - 1st. MarineKingPrime.WE; 2nd. TSL.Clide Group H - 1st. EGIdra; 2nd. oGsEnsnare (Sorry Jinro) im pretty sure jinro will undisputedly win group H. i think he is only going to get better. I don't know about that. oGsEnsnare has achieved just as much as jinro. Also, CheckPrime is a pretty good early game player, something Jinro has shown to be his weakness. | ||
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United States19 Posts
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United States721 Posts
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United States5003 Posts
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Philippines3 Posts
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ltortoise
633 Posts
There are nine members of oGs/liquid distributed among just four of the eight groups. Two foreigners in the whole tournament distributed among...one group... Edit: it might be time to get out the old college stats texts and do some tests to see just how "random" this is... | ||
leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On December 22 2010 05:56 ltortoise wrote: Is it just me or does GOM literally hate both oGs and foreigners? There are nine members of oGs/liquid distributed among just four of the eight groups. Two foreigners in the whole tournament distributed among...one group... Edit: it might be time to get out the old college stats texts and do some tests to see just how "random" this is... You might whip out ye olde dictionary and look up the definition of "random". | ||
Exxo
United States79 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
I'm very excited to see how this goes. | ||
Aberu
United States968 Posts
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schI2ler
129 Posts
What I think could be changed, is that players are chosen from a "race-pool", so that we get to see similar match-ups in every group . (no Z in group F&G, no P in group A&B&H) | ||
WR4TH
United States72 Posts
I do hope that Jinro and Idra come out of their group. We've got to keep the the white guy credibility up in the SC world. | ||
gREIFOCs
Argentina208 Posts
On December 23 2010 03:02 WR4TH wrote: I do hope that Jinro and Idra come out of their group. We've got to keep the the white guy credibility up in the SC world. What has race to do with ANYTHING? | ||
beat farm
United States478 Posts
Group A nestea should advance second place is a toss up Group B Fruitdealer and mvp are the 2 best in that group, but fruitdealer could throw it away and mvp is not way better then the rest for him to be a sure thing. I think dealer and mvp will advance but this group could be a toss up. Group C boxer should win it and id guess hongun will get second but wouldent be suprised if someone else got it. Group D I have no clue. Not sure if rain is good or just lucky. if i had to guess something il go with rain and krix Group E toss up between genius leenlock and rainbow. any of them could win or any of them could be 3rd. Group F oGsMc will advance or the world will stop spinning. nada is probably the second strongest player here but i don't know much about the other 2. nada will almost certantly loose to oGsimmunetoterranMc. so it will be harder for him to advance. Group G marineking advances(second most sure behind Mc) the rest i just don't know anything about. i heard clide was sapose to be good but all he does is get eliminated in the first round after getting hyped up. so second place is a big toss up Group H Jinro advances the other 3 are a toss up. | ||
NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On December 14 2010 20:24 Maawaak wrote: Jinro and IdrA in the same group ![]() my sentiments exactly | ||
mika0023
Germany11 Posts
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Noise
Australia47 Posts
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
On December 22 2010 05:56 ltortoise wrote: Is it just me or does GOM literally hate both oGs and foreigners? There are nine members of oGs/liquid distributed among just four of the eight groups. Two foreigners in the whole tournament distributed among...one group... Edit: it might be time to get out the old college stats texts and do some tests to see just how "random" this is... It's a stratified random draw. 1 slot is for 1-8, 1 slot is for 9-16 and so on. | ||
Fruscainte
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eatpraylove
United States53 Posts
On December 17 2010 15:43 Knee wrote: so when is gsl 4? :o sorry for the newbie question. I would really like to know so I can schedule around it. Can anyone help a guy out? Schedules here: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/news/ | ||
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United States37 Posts
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Jacob666
United States285 Posts
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