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Ambasa
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 13:22:33
October 22 2010 08:45 GMT
#1
So, the sentencing occurred today in Korea (the 22nd). Basically, they have a week to appeal the sentences. Out of the people who got sentenced, those of interest are

Progamer (T)Justin - 18 month sentence, 3 years suspended sentence, 3 million won fine, 120 hours of community service, 40 hours of gambling treatment program.
Progamer (Z)sAviOr - 1 year sentence, 2 year suspended sentence, 120 hours of community service.
Ex Progamer (T)By.1st - 6 month sentence, 1 year suspended sentence, 40 hours of gambling treatment program
Ex Progamer (Z)ShinHwA - 6 months sentence, 1 year suspended sentence, 40 hours of gambling treatment program

Note on "suspended sentence": If they don't screw up within that time period, they actually don't end up going to jail, and they count that you have served your sentence after that period is over.

The other progamers who were involved were let off with a fine, iirc. I don't know if there was anything past that, but since I haven't seen anything regarding them, I assume that is true.

Source: http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=111462&db=issue
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 22 2010 08:47 GMT
#2
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.
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DiamondTear
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
October 22 2010 08:49 GMT
#3
So this is actual jail time and not a suspended sentence?
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:15:34
October 22 2010 08:49 GMT
#4
1 year in jail seems intuitively wrong to me.
They should have fined him more and less jail.

edit: Ah he's not certain to be jailed, that makes more sense.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 22 2010 08:52 GMT
#5
they all deserve jail, without question.

I have no sympathy for any of them.
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magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
October 22 2010 08:53 GMT
#6
Oh my god, I cant believe this is actually happening. Savior in the brick for a year?!
Ambasa
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 08:54:31
October 22 2010 08:53 GMT
#7
On October 22 2010 17:49 DiamondTear wrote:
So this is actual jail time and not a suspended sentence?


Well, the "Probation" actually means suspended sentence, so they don't actually go to jail unless they screw up during to probation, it looks like.

I updated the OP post to take into account this information.
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
October 22 2010 08:58 GMT
#8
On October 22 2010 17:53 Ambasa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 17:49 DiamondTear wrote:
So this is actual jail time and not a suspended sentence?


Well, the "Probation" actually means suspended sentence, so they don't actually go to jail unless they screw up during to probation, it looks like.

I updated the OP post to take into account this information.


I'm still not sure it is clear enough - I think people are going to read it and go OMFG SAVIOR GOING TO JAIL.

I know that was the first thing that went through my mind upon reading it.
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:00:15
October 22 2010 09:00 GMT
#9
im clueless on laws, but if probation means that they dont go to jail unless they screw up, why is probation period longer than jail time ?
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
October 22 2010 09:00 GMT
#10
Betting is illegal in South Korea. I wonder if any of them will attempt a Martha Stewart style comeback after they serve their time. I wonder if they will be able to compete ever again or if their reputations are tarnished for good. That would be cool if there was some kind of prison league that started up as a result of this.
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msc
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia18 Posts
October 22 2010 09:01 GMT
#11
i dont get it why are they sentenced. can anyone enlighten me?
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
October 22 2010 09:02 GMT
#12
On October 22 2010 18:01 msc wrote:
i dont get it why are they sentenced. can anyone enlighten me?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal

Liquidpedia for the win.
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
October 22 2010 09:02 GMT
#13
wow.. this seems so wrong...
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:05:10
October 22 2010 09:03 GMT
#14
So do I get this right? They don't go to jail at all unless they commit a crime during the probation time? And if they do screw up, they are imprisoned for the duration specified in the OP?
Or is the probation time after / in addition to a compulsory jail time?
msc
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia18 Posts
October 22 2010 09:03 GMT
#15
On October 22 2010 18:02 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 18:01 msc wrote:
i dont get it why are they sentenced. can anyone enlighten me?


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal

Liquidpedia for the win.


THANKS
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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 22 2010 09:09 GMT
#16
Progamer sAviOr - 1 year sentence, 2 year probation, 120 hours of community service.

k.. any law students here?

does this mean he goes to jail for 1 year. if his rehabilitation / community service is done well, he is out ( total jail time = 1 year) otherwise he goes for 1+2 years

or..

he doesnt go to jail but if he commits crime within 2 years, he will go to jail for 1 year.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 22 2010 09:11 GMT
#17
On October 22 2010 18:03 Scorch wrote:
So do I get this right? They don't go to jail at all unless they commit a crime during the probation time? And if they do screw up, they are imprisoned for the duration specified in the OP?
Or is the probation time after / in addition to a compulsory jail time?


If they don't screw up for the duration of their probation they are not going to jail at all, if they do screw up, they are going to jail for the time specified in the sentence, so Savior for 1 year.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 22 2010 09:12 GMT
#18
at least that is how it works here in Europe, but it makes sense it works like that in other countries also.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 22 2010 09:14 GMT
#19
If we assume starcraft is like any other sport in S. Korea.. then i guess this is right!

In football, basketball etc.. the result would be the same!
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:19:27
October 22 2010 09:17 GMT
#20
On October 22 2010 18:09 dtz wrote:
Progamer sAviOr - 1 year sentence, 2 year probation, 120 hours of community service.

k.. any law students here?

does this mean he goes to jail for 1 year. if his rehabilitation / community service is done well, he is out ( total jail time = 1 year) otherwise he goes for 1+2 years

or..

he doesnt go to jail but if he commits crime within 2 years, he will go to jail for 1 year.


The way it works in the states is you serve your sentence, in Savior's case 1 year in jail and after he's done he has 2 years probation(normally checking in with your parole officer, no drug use, upstanding citizen type crap) where if he violates probation he goes back to jail to serve the rest of his probation there. If he wasn't going to spend anytime in jail they wouldn't have a sentence unless it's a suspended sentence type thing. Korean justice system might work completely different though.

They deserve going to jail for what they did. Screwing up the integrity of a sport by gambling is probably the worst thing a competitor can do other than killing/harming another. Sad that it happened but, at least justice is served.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
October 22 2010 09:17 GMT
#21
And Upmagic still cant play in GSL ): this is gonna stick for a while.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
October 22 2010 09:20 GMT
#22
seems kinda light, yet at the same time, feels kinda harsh. contradictory, yes, but idk that's how i feel :/
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 09:22:51
October 22 2010 09:22 GMT
#23
edit: all is clear now
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MozoM
Profile Joined April 2010
France71 Posts
October 22 2010 09:22 GMT
#24
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

I don't think they were accused of playing a video game.

They actually stole other people's money, no?
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 22 2010 09:30 GMT
#25
oh ok so they dont actually go to jail yet unless they do stupid things which i doubt they will.

anyway,

does anyone know if the kespa/gsl ( sc1/sc2) ban is permanent or it has a duration.
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 10:27:03
October 22 2010 09:32 GMT
#26
Please ppl..putting a nerd in jail for this will at best create a criminal, and not serve society. I know a lot of people feel punishment in the traditional sense is the only way to go in almost all cases, but that oppinion is either made by anger, or misplaced idealistic principles/lack of knowledge.
A find, and community service is a good way to go about it. Soceity won't profit from young gamers with sensible minds being manipulated by murderers in jail. And if you feel individual despair is more important than the better of the society, you know one of the reasons for prisons being a billion dollar industry in you know where, and why the world is crazy
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s2pid_loser
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
October 22 2010 09:41 GMT
#27
ppl usually choose to be gamers to stay away from a criminal life so they wont go to jail
this kinda sucks

i understand the ban, fines and community service, but some ppl arent made for jail
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
October 22 2010 09:56 GMT
#28
On October 22 2010 18:20 konadora wrote:
seems kinda light, yet at the same time, feels kinda harsh. contradictory, yes, but idk that's how i feel :/


That's exactly how I feel too. I guess I am more sad/disappointed that young decently well-off people resorted to crime. I kind of feel bad though about the criminal records/social ostracizing etc I hope theyre not like super fucked for life.
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Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
October 22 2010 10:05 GMT
#29
The original post is still confusing, it makes it seem like savior is going to spend a year in jail and THEN he is going to have 2 years of probation.
Maul
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia130 Posts
October 22 2010 10:05 GMT
#30
Good to see none of them are going to gaol. Should hopefully set an example for anyone doing this in the future
Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
October 22 2010 10:13 GMT
#31
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.


They are not going to jail over a video game....its not like they stole some WoW items and are being jailed for it...

They are being jailed for match fixing a sporting event....Jail sentences seem reasonable in this case, they all get what they deserve.
Xavv
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada168 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 10:32:40
October 22 2010 10:17 GMT
#32
Well in Canada you serve your time first and once you are completed a portion of it you are able to apply for or be released on Probation. If you violate the terms of your Probation you are sent back to Jail to serve the remaining amount of your time.

I have an Aunt who works with the Justice Department here, Generally you will serve 1/6th of your sentence before you get out on Probation based on a review of your behavior.

Whether or not any of this is relavent in a different system of law still remains to be noted, but regardless I think it is safe to say that these people WILL be going to jail. Getting sentenced to jail time then being told you only go there if your bad again is kind of a useless system.

There is really no justification in saying they deserve a degree of lenience because they are either young or accomplished videogame professionals. Im sure they were smart enough to know they were frauding and stealing from people when they set up the details of fixing their matches.
Kachna
Profile Joined October 2010
134 Posts
October 22 2010 10:28 GMT
#33
On October 22 2010 19:17 Xavv wrote:
Well in Canada you serve your time first and once you are completed a portion of it you are able to apply for or be released on Probation. If you violate the terms of your Probation you are sent back to Jail to serve the remaining amount of your time.

I have an Aunt who works with the Justice Department here, Generally you will server 1/6th of your sentence before you get out on Probation based on a review of your behavior.

Whether or not any of this is relavent in a different system of law still remains to be noted, but regardless I think it is safe to say that these people WILL be going to jail. Getting sentenced to jail time then being told you only go there if your bad again is kind of a useless system.

There is really no justification in saying they deserve a degree of lenience because they are either young or accomplished videogame professionals. Im sure they were smart enough to know they were frauding and stealing from people when they set up the details of fixing their matches.

Aggre thats what i think as well.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
October 22 2010 10:47 GMT
#34
People offered them money, and they took it. I would understand it if they received a fine, probation, maybe a year of community service, but going to jail? In a lot of ways they're victims themselves too, I imagine after only accepting one time the criminal gambling types had enough power over any of them to push them to more.
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mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
October 22 2010 10:56 GMT
#35
so this means savior could very well have the time to transfer into sc2. oh boy.
Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 10:57:32
October 22 2010 10:56 GMT
#36
oh savior, hope you become a better person next year. you still have a tiny place within my heart
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33326 Posts
October 22 2010 11:01 GMT
#37
The suspended sentence means they essentially got off with no punishment, fuck that
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Xavv
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada168 Posts
October 22 2010 11:14 GMT
#38
Probation does not equal suspended sentences.

If they were sentenced to a term + Probation they will go to jail for a portion or all of the sentence given and then potentially be let out on Probation after that time.

The OP just defined Probation wrong and now has the entire thread confused.


Thunderfist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland159 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 11:16:08
October 22 2010 11:15 GMT
#39
Well, easy buck - easy pray.
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Xavv
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada168 Posts
October 22 2010 11:18 GMT
#40
On October 22 2010 20:15 Thunderfist wrote:
This is so retarded.

People cant do what they want because someone doesnt like it.

It doesnt damages anyone, and no one is poisoning himself with coke or anything. It's just gambling with money. Wtf is wrong with that ?



Uh...It's really not "just gambling".

The players involved were taking money to throw games so that people who were mass betting could take advantage of it.
Not only that, they were going on the same websites themselves and betting AGAINST themselves to further profits made.

It's fraud, plain and simple. There is absolutely no way to justify it.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 22 2010 11:20 GMT
#41
So they actually don't go to prison at all if they don't fuck up?

No problem with that really. I appreciate that it's a Korean cultural thing, but from a western standpoint it seems ridiculous.
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 22 2010 11:27 GMT
#42
On October 22 2010 20:20 Piy wrote:
So they actually don't go to prison at all if they don't fuck up?

No problem with that really. I appreciate that it's a Korean cultural thing, but from a western standpoint it seems ridiculous.


I think south korea has a serious problem with gambling so I guess that's the reason why these punishments seem rather harsh from a western standpoint.
baller
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
527 Posts
October 22 2010 11:30 GMT
#43
i heard justin bet 50,000,000 won that he'd be sentenced to more jail time than savior and tried 2 get 18+ months on purpose, they should investigate him for sentence fixing
IamAnton
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada335 Posts
October 22 2010 11:31 GMT
#44
yeah alotta people seem to think its about the gaming and not the fact of stealing money.. the fact that a video game was used for the theft dosn't make stealing any less.
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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 22 2010 11:35 GMT
#45
It's kind of sad these players receive about the same sentence as Plaxico Burress and he was indicted for illegal possession of firearms in a public area.
Vasili
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia125 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 12:22:40
October 22 2010 12:21 GMT
#46
2 years probation means that if you stuff up during those 2 years you will be imprisoned for the time of your initial sentence. THE WHOLE INITIAL SENTENCE, regardless of how much time has passed on probation.
Vasili
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia125 Posts
October 22 2010 12:23 GMT
#47
On October 22 2010 20:30 baller wrote:
i heard justin bet 50,000,000 won that he'd be sentenced to more jail time than savior and tried 2 get 18+ months on purpose, they should investigate him for sentence fixing

hahahahahahahh niiiice
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9560 Posts
October 22 2010 12:25 GMT
#48
So many people not reading or not knowing what is what.
1 year jail time, suspended for 2 years = he'll be under watch from an inspector (a policeman or a community service one, I'm not sure how to explain it in English) for 2 years instead of going behind the bars for 1 year.

If he fails to show up for a meeting with his inspector or some shit, he'll be put in jail for that 1 year. The inspector is there for monitoring him, so he won't commit a crime again in those 2 years. And it's not like getting a parking ticket will put him in jail, so stop thinking he'll have to be a saint for 2 years. He'll just have to abide by the law, like every other normal citizen ;/
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
October 22 2010 12:30 GMT
#49
1 year is too much his future is really tarnished now (i'm only refering to sAviOr as i'm sooo biased)

but glad (P)SangHo didn't get any jail time. (i'm guessin) GL to him in GSL
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nimoraca
Profile Joined February 2007
Serbia84 Posts
October 22 2010 12:50 GMT
#50
Maybe we'll have Jail Force team in PL this year .
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
October 22 2010 12:54 GMT
#51
What about the others (Dark elf etc..)
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
October 22 2010 12:57 GMT
#52
I guess that is it for Savior switching to SC2...
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
October 22 2010 13:07 GMT
#53
(P)SangHo isn't even involved in this!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33326 Posts
October 22 2010 13:23 GMT
#54
On October 22 2010 21:30 chongu wrote:
1 year is too much his future is really tarnished now (i'm only refering to sAviOr as i'm sooo biased)

but glad (P)SangHo didn't get any jail time. (i'm guessin) GL to him in GSL


sangho was not implicated in any way, it was completely speculation from the community
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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
October 22 2010 13:24 GMT
#55
1 Year seems too lenient for someone in the public eye that just stole 2 million dollars. They should make an example of savior. TWO MILLION DOLLARS
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Harcourt
Profile Joined February 2009
United States20 Posts
October 22 2010 13:37 GMT
#56
Since this thread had me confused, and all the comments did not help much. Here's a wikipedia article.
Suspended Sentence
This is more than a passing feeling.
MadJack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Peru357 Posts
October 22 2010 13:41 GMT
#57
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.


He is not being senteced for playing games, hes sentenced for being part of an illegal betting scam. And for me Its well deserved, the "OMG this are gamers not real mafia guys" excuse doesnt really work, if you made something illegal, you have to pay for it.
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Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
October 22 2010 13:57 GMT
#58
I'm still confused whether they're going to jail or not. Does someone have knowledge of how it works in Korea? I mean, it differs so much from US to Canada and in Germany it works also different (if you get suspended sentence you don't go to jail, but if you screw up in this time you have to go), then I think that it possibly works different in Korea,
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splints
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada85 Posts
October 22 2010 13:59 GMT
#59
On October 22 2010 21:50 nimoraca wrote:
Maybe we'll have Jail Force team in PL this year .


Cant be much worse than ACE
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
October 22 2010 14:14 GMT
#60
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.

QFT
i am flabbergasted to the point i actually get to use this word. Jail sentence, i forget sometimes how serious this is in Korea.
WOW i hope Korean jail doesn't include casual buttsecs.
Either way, as long as we have brood war.
ಠ_ಠ
inFeZa
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia556 Posts
October 22 2010 14:15 GMT
#61
I'm pretty sure it goes like Jail time then suspended sentence as probation. All laws differ from countries but thats the most common ideology behind it.

and

wow amazing news!
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arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 14:17:59
October 22 2010 14:17 GMT
#62
Just to clarify here. This is from the wikipedia page on suspended sentence:

A suspended sentence is a legal term for a judge's delaying of a defendant's serving of a sentence after they have been found guilty, in order to allow the defendant to perform a period of probation. If the defendant does not break the law during that period, and fulfils the particular conditions of the probation, the judge usually throws out the sentence


So, savior isn't really going to jail, unless he screws up and gets caught betting on GSL matches or something.
This statement is a lie.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
October 22 2010 14:17 GMT
#63
I'm glad that they don't have to go to jail. Jail time for such a minor offense would have been ridiculous. On the other hand they could have increased the community service time so they can at least feel somewhat punished...
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
October 22 2010 14:24 GMT
#64
Glad that this whole thing is over... I'm still QQing over the loss of these players from the BW scene
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Phlatline
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Croatia176 Posts
October 22 2010 14:26 GMT
#65
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.


I agree, but when you make it into a sport you can expect this kind of things...still think that jail time is a bit too much.
Nerds in jail? They ain't gonna be able to sit down for years
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
October 22 2010 14:34 GMT
#66
I think jail is a little harsh.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
inFeZa
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia556 Posts
October 22 2010 14:41 GMT
#67
Why would there be a 1 year sentence AND a 2 years suspended sentence? Im sure that hes in there for a year then will be out on suspended sentence after that 1 year. (in savior's case)
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 22 2010 14:48 GMT
#68
On October 22 2010 23:41 inFeZa wrote:
Why would there be a 1 year sentence AND a 2 years suspended sentence? Im sure that hes in there for a year then will be out on suspended sentence after that 1 year. (in savior's case)

Because it is not. As far as I understand it, it is 1 year suspended sentence with 2 year probation, which means he will be watched for 2 years and if he commits crime in that time he will go to jail for one year (+ whatever will be added for the new crime). And being watched does not necessarily mean having to see someone regularly (although it is possible), just that if he commits crime he will serve time both for this sentence and for the new one.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 22 2010 14:49 GMT
#69
but thanks to bad translation there is possibility that is is 1 year sentence with 2 years suspended sentence, but I don't think it is high probability
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
October 22 2010 15:02 GMT
#70
On October 22 2010 18:17 T0fuuu wrote:
And Upmagic still cant play in GSL ): this is gonna stick for a while.


I wanna see Upmagic in the GSL
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
October 22 2010 16:06 GMT
#71
i'm really curious who's gunna be the first to break their parole and get sent to the slammer ^^
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
October 22 2010 16:30 GMT
#72
"break their parole" jesus..i mean, some nerds fixed a Starcraft game. Yes, it's a pretty serious offence, but it's not like their all sitting with the shivers, and a gun in their hand just waiting to rob a liquor store
a.k.a. [iNF]cALLe - member of TL since around 2002..account dead.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
October 22 2010 16:36 GMT
#73
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.


Why is it even relevant that it's video games. All that matters is money.
CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
October 22 2010 16:41 GMT
#74
goddammit savior.

Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
Acies
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia196 Posts
October 22 2010 16:45 GMT
#75
They committed fraud, the fact that it involved video games does not reduce the severity of the crime anymore than murder would be taken less seriously if someone was killed by being bludgeoned with a keyboard.

No matter the means of the scam they profited from corruption and people were robbed of their money.
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dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
October 22 2010 17:54 GMT
#76
I wish savior could play SC2

Also how does this affect military life?
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
October 22 2010 17:58 GMT
#77
man, is prison in SK rough ?

i feel bad for saviour
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
October 22 2010 18:01 GMT
#78
On October 23 2010 01:30 oRacLeGosu wrote:
"break their parole" jesus..i mean, some nerds fixed a Starcraft game. Yes, it's a pretty serious offence, but it's not like their all sitting with the shivers, and a gun in their hand just waiting to rob a liquor store


Well fraud might not be as bad as threatening someone's life but it ain't something to take lightly either. The fact the they used a video game to commit fraud is irrelevant.

i'm glad they aren't going to jail.
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
October 22 2010 18:38 GMT
#79
I can only imagine that courtroom. "As you can see here judge, Savior made an obvious mistake which cost him the game..." And only in Korea is there a chance that the judge would know what they're talking about.

I can't say I disagree with the court's decision. I wonder what'll happen to these players once their sentence is over.
Sup.
SCbiff
Profile Joined May 2010
110 Posts
October 22 2010 18:50 GMT
#80
On October 22 2010 19:47 Mothxal wrote:
People offered them money, and they took it. I would understand it if they received a fine, probation, maybe a year of community service, but going to jail? In a lot of ways they're victims themselves too, I imagine after only accepting one time the criminal gambling types had enough power over any of them to push them to more.


I know, the other day this guy offered me money to steal something. I should've taken it, huh?

They took money in a way that is ILLEGAL. Sometimes, when do you illegal things, you go to JAIL. That's the way a penal system works. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime (yeah yeah, don't do it...if somebody recognizes that quote I'll be impressed ;b).

Plus, they aren't going to jail, they have a suspended sentence and a heap of community service. Totally fair, imo.

And a HUGE LOL to the "some people aren't made for jail" thing. Yeah, like I shouldn't ever have to go to jail because it's just not very convenient for me.
some_pro
Profile Joined October 2010
120 Posts
October 22 2010 18:52 GMT
#81
To sum up, unless they break the law during their suspended sentence time, they'll only get community service / gambling treatment program time ?

I'm relieved, I thought for a moment they were actually going to jail -.-
I think it's safe to assume this kind of match fixing won't happen again
boxxy
Profile Joined September 2010
Greece5 Posts
October 22 2010 18:55 GMT
#82
Really hope Savior blocks his Nydus Canal
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends" Henry V
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
October 22 2010 19:11 GMT
#83
On October 22 2010 17:49 Klive5ive wrote:
1 year in jail seems intuitively wrong to me.
They should have fined him more and less jail.

edit: Ah he's not certain to be jailed, that makes more sense.

You have to take into account that these players will have a very hard time finding jobs, especially savior, because he was so well known, and so well know now, for his taking part in this. So, he really has to save up that money, and i think the judge realized this
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
October 22 2010 19:18 GMT
#84
On October 23 2010 04:11 Tazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 17:49 Klive5ive wrote:
1 year in jail seems intuitively wrong to me.
They should have fined him more and less jail.

edit: Ah he's not certain to be jailed, that makes more sense.

You have to take into account that these players will have a very hard time finding jobs, especially savior, because he was so well known, and so well know now, for his taking part in this. So, he really has to save up that money, and i think the judge realized this

Eh, Savior is the Korean Martha Stewart.

Was rich but still got greedy, broke the law, got in trouble. Maybe one day he'll get back to the spotlight.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Originalien
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia28 Posts
October 22 2010 20:31 GMT
#85
On October 22 2010 18:32 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Please ppl..putting a nerd in jail for this will at best create a criminal, and not serve society. I know a lot of people feel punishment in the traditional sense is the only way to go in almost all cases, but that oppinion is either made by anger, or misplaced idealistic principles/lack of knowledge.
A find, and community service is a good way to go about it. Soceity won't profit from young gamers with sensible minds being manipulated by murderers in jail. And if you feel individual despair is more important than the better of the society, you know one of the reasons for prisons being a billion dollar industry in you know where, and why the world is crazy


Finally some common sense.....

Some of you who stated they should go to jail should maybe do some times urself and see how u like it... Mixing computer nerds who where poor and made bad decisions with rapists, murderers and paedophiles is fucking stupid. They go in normal and come out with the knowledge of how to cook meth, rob people with minimal risk and how to avoid being detected when raping/murdering..... Same issue with marijuana but thats a whole other basket of eggs

Jail is a system of control used by oppresive autocracies to use fear as a tool to keep sheep from making there own minds up in the face of illogical decisions being made by there governments which are controlled by corporations.

I believe societies problems are too vast and from to many contributing factors for jail to work on people... We need to wake up and realize that if people were not poor (ie disband capatalism because it is killing democracy) and there was no drug war waged on civilians (ie in netherlands where if u get addicted to heroin u get it for free from the doctor after u admit u are a junky, there for reducing violent crimes and robberys dramatically) that actually taking the time to find out what is wrong in a persons life and try to help them fix it is the best solution to crimes any society can ever have.

Look what happens in america, fucking 3 strikes law in some states is the most retarded thing i have ever heard off, and u wonder why u see a police chases CONSTANTLY with people killing people just to get away.... when all they are doing is getting pulled over with weed in theyre pocket..... Is it a co-incidence that the same countries who enforce 3 strike u get life policys are the very same places where jails are run by corporations who make MONEY per head off the people in those jails... no.

Community service, bann them from playing the game proffessionaly ever again and fine them. Shit society has bigger fish to fry and jails are already full
"Not Enough Minerals" - Aint that the truth
Kurt_Russell
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada147 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 20:51:19
October 22 2010 20:48 GMT
#86
Hmm, why is there no mention of (T)go.go and (T)Hwasin ? Honestly, I found those were the only two I actually cared about (more-so go.go than Hwasin). Just hope that their sentences aren't as big

I mean there are much worse things in the world than throwing a game for money that go unpunished... not to mention they more or less have a future, not to mention Prison seems to be a really terribad place :/

(P)Bisu fans rejoice for go.go is no longer there to embarrass him :O

edit: Reread thread and understood that the sentenced players will not necessarily go to jail
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
October 22 2010 21:29 GMT
#87
Looks like none of them are going to Jail but will be probationary depending on their sentence. but does that mean they can play SC 2? I guess yes
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 22 2010 21:51 GMT
#88
On October 22 2010 18:14 shell wrote:
If we assume starcraft is like any other sport in S. Korea.. then i guess this is right!

In football, basketball etc.. the result would be the same!

yeah there just was the donaghy thing in the nba.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
rockslave
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Brazil318 Posts
October 22 2010 22:05 GMT
#89
I don't understand all this pro-fixers commotion. Match fixing RUINS any sport! I hope they die 5 times and go to all imaginable hells. One year of jail for a guy who betrays the sport that made him what he is? Not that much.
What qxc said.
Vz0
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada378 Posts
October 22 2010 22:24 GMT
#90
savior wil play sc2 during suspension maybe?
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
October 22 2010 22:27 GMT
#91
can somebody explain to me why they got sentenced?
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
October 22 2010 22:43 GMT
#92
On October 22 2010 17:52 fusionsdf wrote:
they all deserve jail, without question.

I have no sympathy for any of them.



Thank you. I agree completely with this.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7881 Posts
October 22 2010 22:44 GMT
#93
I'm really happy none of them is actually going to jail.

Hope they somehow recover and manage to find something else to do with their life. Especially Savior.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7881 Posts
October 22 2010 22:45 GMT
#94
On October 23 2010 07:43 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 17:52 fusionsdf wrote:
they all deserve jail, without question.

I have no sympathy for any of them.



Thank you. I agree completely with this.

People getting happy because someone goes to jail.

I'll never understand that.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
October 22 2010 22:53 GMT
#95
Obviously it depends on the circumstances.
Completely insane serial murder caught and sentenced? Phew, relief.
Jaywalker sentenced to life in prison? Uh...
Match-fixer given a sentence that may or may not deter future offenders? That's completely debatable.

I don't see why people are so quick to make all-encompassing statements like this.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
October 22 2010 23:04 GMT
#96
On October 23 2010 07:45 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 07:43 DyEnasTy wrote:
On October 22 2010 17:52 fusionsdf wrote:
they all deserve jail, without question.

I have no sympathy for any of them.



Thank you. I agree completely with this.

People getting happy because someone goes to jail.

I'll never understand that.

To me it seems like a waste of money and time to go through due process and jail them etc. Should just be larger fine and community service.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 22 2010 23:42 GMT
#97
uhhh im no lawyer but if they list the sentence and the suspended sentence separately doesn't that mean they serve the sentence and THEN go on probation for the listed time? so all of them are going to jail?

reading this thread it seems like everyone is reading '2 year suspended sentence' and skipping the rest of the information LOL
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 23 2010 00:20 GMT
#98
On October 23 2010 06:29 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Looks like none of them are going to Jail but will be probationary depending on their sentence. but does that mean they can play SC 2? I guess yes

They are all banned from the GSL at least.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
October 23 2010 00:24 GMT
#99
On October 23 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
uhhh im no lawyer but if they list the sentence and the suspended sentence separately doesn't that mean they serve the sentence and THEN go on probation for the listed time? so all of them are going to jail?

reading this thread it seems like everyone is reading '2 year suspended sentence' and skipping the rest of the information LOL


That's what it sounds like to me.
ed21x
Profile Joined January 2010
United States103 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:44:35
October 23 2010 00:43 GMT
#100
since these gamers had their gaming license suspended by Kespa, it appears that Kespa might not have a hold on the progaming scene much longer as Blizzard seems to be promoting a more open 'free-for-all' policy, does this mean they can participate in Blizzard sanctioned tourneys like the GSL? I was always under the impression that Gaming Licenses only apply to Kespa-related activities, and Blizzard never cared for those...
a little dab will do ya
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 23 2010 00:52 GMT
#101
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RogueStatus
Profile Joined August 2010
266 Posts
October 23 2010 01:20 GMT
#102
On October 22 2010 18:00 b_unnies wrote:
im clueless on laws, but if probation means that they dont go to jail unless they screw up, why is probation period longer than jail time ?


Seriously? Probation outside of jail, will always be longer than actual jail time. Does that not make sense?
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
October 23 2010 02:12 GMT
#103
i like go.go/brood twins/hwasin/type-b so i'm probably a bit biased towards them, but i think a heavy fine and a ban from BW is punishment enough for just being involved.

however, trash like justin and savior who entice these progamers to match-fix AND THEN forcing them to continue (savior made hwasin feel guilty by saying "oh, my hyung said he lost XXXXXXX won because of you, what are you going to do about it?", and hwasin was only given leta's BO and still lost) deserve to be punished more. you worry about prison changing their minds into criminals, but i think savior thinks he's so baller that he can go bully other progamers that maybe he should feel a little bullying himself

Vindubs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States110 Posts
October 23 2010 02:50 GMT
#104
i understand these sentences sound harsh...but imagine if peyton manning fixed the super bowl...or a baseball/hockey/basketball players decided to fix a game. this is serious stuff because people do bet on these things(so do the people who are fixing the games) so people can make serious money in a dishonest way. match fixing is very immoral and goes against everything competition stands for. although fines seem to hurt people more than jail time (in white collar crime). also this is a new industry (a decade old) courts accross the world often use big things in a new scene to make examples so people dont do it again (all the new types of internet crimes)

to Americans it seems like a video game. To Koreans (and the sc2 community) its a sport and a league and a business. Businesses need to conduct themselves with a level of integrity. and clearly some teams/players aka businesses conducted themselves very inappropriately.

i hope this makes sense and i hope i didnt ramble. take care
Stephano,Sase,Naniwa HWAITING!
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
October 23 2010 03:57 GMT
#105
OK so could someone please confirm if Savior is going to jail or not???
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tackklee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States270 Posts
October 23 2010 04:16 GMT
#106
Doubt they are going to jail.

I think they got sentenced with 'joint suspensions'. Which basically means they go on probation for the suspended sentence that the OP wrote and if they mess up they will serve the initial sentence.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
October 23 2010 04:25 GMT
#107
On October 23 2010 08:42 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
uhhh im no lawyer but if they list the sentence and the suspended sentence separately doesn't that mean they serve the sentence and THEN go on probation for the listed time? so all of them are going to jail?

reading this thread it seems like everyone is reading '2 year suspended sentence' and skipping the rest of the information LOL


That's what I thought at first. However, some people pointed out that "suspended sentence" actually means that the sentence serving is delayed and only comes into effect if the defendant commits another crime during the period of the suspended sentence. In Savior's case this would mean that only if he commits another crime during the next two years he'll have to serve one year of jail time. As opposed to serving 1 year in prison and then being on probation for two more years.
Suspended Sentence
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
October 23 2010 06:18 GMT
#108
They were more suspended for the fact that they were involved in a money making scandal than gambling itself. Still, the sentences feel a little harsh.
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
October 23 2010 07:52 GMT
#109
They're only banned by KeSPA? Can they play in American tournaments if they get out?
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Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
October 23 2010 08:25 GMT
#110
On October 23 2010 16:52 nalgene wrote:
They're only banned by KeSPA? Can they play in American tournaments if they get out?

I believe Blizzard has officially banned them from SC2 tournys as well. In other words, the only thing they can do is play SCBW in the US after they get out... but then again, the only people who still play SCBW in the US are hardcore TL'ers and those who know about Progambler Ma. So basically, he can't do anything even when he gets out.

I just find it funny that Mr. Ma is not getting fined at all... I think jail is a little too harsh for having already destroyed his entire career and future. But then again, all he has left is his money and his rolex watches, I guess we could leave him some of that.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
October 23 2010 08:47 GMT
#111
He can't start fresh for a new game?
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Recherche87
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 13:31:36
October 23 2010 13:23 GMT
#112
On October 23 2010 12:57 mrdx wrote:
OK so could someone please confirm if Savior is going to jail or not???


they don't go to jail unless they commit a crime during the suspended time period
LuckyLuke43
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway169 Posts
October 23 2010 13:44 GMT
#113
They aren't going to jail because of a video game but rather financial fraud; rigging games to make money out of it etc. It's like the mob in the 60's! weeee ;D
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
October 23 2010 18:22 GMT
#114
On October 22 2010 18:32 oRacLeGosu wrote:
Please ppl..putting a nerd in jail for this will at best create a criminal, and not serve society. I know a lot of people feel punishment in the traditional sense is the only way to go in almost all cases, but that oppinion is either made by anger, or misplaced idealistic principles/lack of knowledge.
A find, and community service is a good way to go about it. Soceity won't profit from young gamers with sensible minds being manipulated by murderers in jail. And if you feel individual despair is more important than the better of the society, you know one of the reasons for prisons being a billion dollar industry in you know where, and why the world is crazy


You make some sense, but are way off in the wrong direction. They didn't get any jailtime (yet) so when are they going to be manipulated by some murderer? Fact remains that there has to be some sort of disincentive to cheat in this way or the decision will only be easier to make in the future for other progamers.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 23 2010 18:34 GMT
#115
are the other progamers banned as well?
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 23 2010 20:31 GMT
#116
Holy shit Justin got the shit end of the stick. I didn't know his penalty was THAT bad.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 23 2010 21:51 GMT
#117
Your post doesn't make it clear: when you say 1 year for Savior, that means a year in the lockup right? Wow.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Archduke
Profile Joined May 2010
United States119 Posts
October 23 2010 21:51 GMT
#118
Gambling of any kind is illegal in Korea, so it's not a total shocker that there's jail time in these sentences.
"Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 23 2010 22:02 GMT
#119
Why would you put people in jail for gambling? Dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
October 23 2010 23:07 GMT
#120
On October 24 2010 07:02 Romantic wrote:
Why would you put people in jail for gambling? Dumbest thing I've ever heard of.



its not gambling its match fixing which allows people to make sure they win through gambling
Romantic
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1844 Posts
October 24 2010 00:06 GMT
#121
On October 24 2010 08:07 optical630 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 07:02 Romantic wrote:
Why would you put people in jail for gambling? Dumbest thing I've ever heard of.



its not gambling its match fixing which allows people to make sure they win through gambling

Why should someone be thrown in a cage for it?

I've still yet to figure out why people who are not a danger to others are put in cages as punishment.
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
October 24 2010 06:37 GMT
#122
On October 22 2010 17:47 heyoka wrote:
Maybe I'm in the minority here but people going to jail over video games is the funniest thing in the world to me.

Savior has turned into a real life Kenny Powers.


It's pretty hard not to see how its funny.
Seze
Profile Joined August 2010
42 Posts
October 24 2010 08:20 GMT
#123
The sad thing about all of this is, they are now legit bad boys and have the papers to prove it. The amount of pussy they will harvest is unimaginable, compared to what pro gaming supplied.
Slap on a tatoo and start smoking fags, then you will be set for life, pussy-wise....

Grats
Prime`Rib
Profile Joined September 2010
United States613 Posts
October 24 2010 11:32 GMT
#124
First of all, they will be jailed as an example of match fixing. This will warn other progammers that match fixing is stupid and yes, you will go to jail for that.

1 year of sentence, 2 years of suspended sentence means that the minimum sentence for financial fraud is 3 years. But instead of put your ass into jail for 3 years, the law will let you serve 1 year in the slammer and 2 years of probation. The lawyer probably pulls some sort of deals or whatever to lighten Savior's sentence.
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drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
October 24 2010 12:04 GMT
#125
Real savior in gsl soon?? Or maybe backstage doing his thing xD
Manatea
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)48 Posts
October 24 2010 12:08 GMT
#126
On October 24 2010 21:04 drlame wrote:
Real savior in gsl soon?? Or maybe backstage doing his thing xD


Gretech said they won't allow match-fix progamers to join gsl
Manatea
Profile Joined March 2007
Korea (South)48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-24 12:30:10
October 24 2010 12:28 GMT
#127
to those who are still confused

Read OP
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO JAIL

It's just habits of Korean court to tell sentence first even if criminals actually get suspended sentence
Korean court usually do not order first-time offenders to go jail unless guilt is too serious
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
October 24 2010 15:35 GMT
#128
putting people in jail over these kind of things is just dumb.
why do so many law systems fail .
Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
October 24 2010 17:26 GMT
#129
gambling treatment program ? this is where they teach u how to play AKo ?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 24 2010 20:18 GMT
#130
How come Savior got no financial penalty?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ritchstorm
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom36 Posts
October 24 2010 21:48 GMT
#131
You have to remember this isn't just about a game. It's about fixing illegal gambling. Pretty big stuff.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
October 24 2010 23:34 GMT
#132
On October 24 2010 21:04 drlame wrote:
Real savior in gsl soon?? Or maybe backstage doing his thing xD

Not funny, not funny at all
Dont think hes allowed @ GSL anyways.
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Ganondorf
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy600 Posts
October 25 2010 00:13 GMT
#133
I don't think they will go anywhere videogames or games in general anytime soon. Suspended sentence for first time offenders is pretty common, does it work differently in the US ? I don't get why people are so confused.
MrProphylactic
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
296 Posts
October 25 2010 00:18 GMT
#134
Is the concept of diversion , and suspended sentencing that hard to grasp poeple.
"The Beauty of a move is not in its appearance, but the thought behind it" Nimzovitch
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 25 2010 04:18 GMT
#135
i miss ma jae yoon
Jaedong.
JBanKs
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
October 25 2010 09:12 GMT
#136
Be interesting to see how this all turns out a little bit further down the line. Though hopefully this sends out a strong message for anyone wanting to do match fixing in the future
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KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
October 25 2010 09:37 GMT
#137
On October 24 2010 21:08 Manatea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2010 21:04 drlame wrote:
Real savior in gsl soon?? Or maybe backstage doing his thing xD


Gretech said they won't allow match-fix progamers to join gsl


Aww, i thought there was hope for Savior :/

I hope Savior will pick up SC2 anyways and just play in all tournaments that isn't GSL, i'd love to see him active again.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
October 25 2010 21:10 GMT
#138
On October 22 2010 17:52 fusionsdf wrote:
they all deserve jail, without question.

I have no sympathy for any of them.


You're huffing paint if you think people should go to jail for fixing the outcome of a video game.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Where's the counter?"
domovoi
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 23:47:35
October 25 2010 23:45 GMT
#139
On October 24 2010 09:06 Romantic wrote:
Why should someone be thrown in a cage for it?

I've still yet to figure out why people who are not a danger to others are put in cages as punishment.

Here is why match-fixing is bad:

Gamblers makes bets with the assumption that the payout is slightly better than 1:1, because they have some internal knowledge/belief that the betting line is not entirely accurate. Match-fixing turns what should be a 50/50 bet into a 100/0 bet. Those on the 0 side have been defrauded of their money, because the 50/50 expectation was not true.

Imagine if I'm playing roulette, but the casino is using a wheel where it always lands on Red. If I bet Black, the Casino essentially stole money from me. In match-fixing, it's a third-party rather than the "house" who's doing the defrauding, but the victim is no better off.

This is exactly the same as someone investing in a company with the belief the stock price will go up, but the stock price plummets to zero because the company lied about its prospects for success. Aka securities fraud.

It's also the same as me selling you a defective laptop, because you assumed the laptop would only have a .01% chance of failing rather than the actual percentage of 100%. Aka consumer fraud.

Defrauders are dangerous to society because money is just as important, if not more-so, to the wellbeing of an individual than their physical safety.
pioneer8
Profile Joined January 2010
United States143 Posts
October 26 2010 00:49 GMT
#140
I think American team(s) should invite the nationless players to the US and pay them to play SC2


That would be funny, huh lol


I know most of us would rather be rooting for Savior than Idra now wouldn't we... lol
pioneer8
Profile Joined January 2010
United States143 Posts
October 26 2010 00:58 GMT
#141
By the way, i dont really see this as a crime ala OJ Simpson that makes you go back and hate him even though he was one of the greatest. I see this as relatively petty and wish they wouldn't be 'banned forever' from Korean gaming.

It's not made clear, who threw games, and who just bet on games.

It is clear that these players were all very good, and had a flawless(?) reputation before this.

I wonder how many more are involved, and if many are keeping their mouths shut to avoid pointless collateral damage, (more players and people being thrown out of esports, shamed)
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
October 26 2010 06:38 GMT
#142
Anyway i didnt understand the whole thing. So Savior doesnt go to jail ? Or he does ? I mean prison.
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
October 28 2010 01:57 GMT
#143
Remember that time they illegally gambled? Guess they won't forget it.
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