EPTBlizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 84
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
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NoXious90
United Kingdom160 Posts
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0c3LoT
Canada162 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
On October 09 2010 08:16 0c3LoT wrote: Does anyone even use Reapers by the time they get a fact? Nope, but I think that is the point. Blizzard is essentially removing them from the game, as they never should have been in it in the first place imo. They could still be used early game as a scout I suppose, assuming Terran feels the need to scout. | ||
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0c3LoT
Canada162 Posts
Why would a Terran invest in Reapers when dropship harass is a much more viable strategy and doesn't require you to tech into a corner? | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
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ayababa
Australia347 Posts
they should find a better way to even it out. | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
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Voros
United States222 Posts
I'm really not understanding the terran's QQ. You still have plenty of cheese openings available to you. Saying this eliminates cheese options is just silly. Hell, you can still proxy rax. It just comes a little later. This is completely ridiculous. Yeah, you can still proxy barracks, but it would be a pointless exercise when you can't rush with the units in the first place. The purpose of proxy barracks (usually on 7 supply) is to have units (either reapers or ~5 marines) in the opponent's base prior to the four-minute mark, which is when his first couple of defensive units will be appearing. If you force depot before supply, there is literally no way to sacrifice economy for the sake of an all-in rush--your push will always be delayed by a minute, and your opponent will always have several units to defend while reinforcing easily with workers. And if you are silly enough to try to proxy a 12 rax, your worker will be a sitting duck for even a late scout--good luck trying to recover when your very first unit-producing structure has been forced to cancel. It's just a ridiculous change that's going to change XvT into a battle of fast expansions and macro. | ||
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NearlyDead
United States72 Posts
On October 09 2010 09:19 Voros wrote: And if you are silly enough to try to proxy a 12 rax, your worker will be a sitting duck for even a late scout--good luck trying to recover when your very first unit-producing structure has been forced to cancel. It's just a ridiculous change that's going to change XvT into a battle of fast expansions and macro. And...Why would that be bad? | ||
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TyrantPotato
Australia1541 Posts
damn heaven forbid that games have macro involved and expansions. we must all 1 base all-in every game !!!!! | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
if you want to stop reapers, do depot before tech lab or something strange like that no in fact I think the increased reaper build time is already good enough... and the reason you need cheese in games is to make it interesting... it would be pretty boring if every game were some huge macrofest  then everyone would just get greedier and greedier and blah. | ||
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Misery[BH]
United States29 Posts
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 09 2010 08:40 SouthRawrea wrote: Oh i know! Reapers are good against zerg who do 15hatch 16hatch of course! Maybe we'll start actually seeing zerg opening with a double expand, like they did in BW :D | ||
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nailertn
48 Posts
On October 09 2010 16:06 sylverfyre wrote: Maybe we'll start actually seeing zerg opening with a double expand, like they did in BW :D What is funny considering queens. | ||
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
On October 09 2010 08:24 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: Nope, but I think that is the point. Blizzard is essentially removing them from the game, as they never should have been in it in the first place imo. They could still be used early game as a scout I suppose, assuming Terran feels the need to scout. This sounds a lot like the "Omg Roaches are useless now that they are 2 food" talk that happened during beta. Yeah Blizzard changed the tech for Reapers, does that mean they are the worst unit ever? No. Does it mean you have to be creative with them now? Yes. What stops someone from making a few reapers and raiding bases mid-late game? They are still powerful scouts too, 50/50 is a good price to pay to see what your opponent is up to. Most people dont keep their entire army inside their main base. On October 09 2010 08:30 0c3LoT wrote: I wouldn't waste 50 gas+building time on an early game scout when I can just use a SCV/Marine/Scan. Why would a Terran invest in Reapers when dropship harass is a much more viable strategy and doesn't require you to tech into a corner? I had no idea that a Barracks with a Tech Lab and a Factory was "Teching into a corner." | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
also, i'm cursious to see how well terrans can defend cheese now....seems that proxy gates or 6 pool will just roll terran due to lack of marines early even if you scout it. | ||
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SneakPeek
Philippines162 Posts
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
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