Blizzard on 1v1 Balancing and the new patch - Page 45

On October 08 2010 04:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

If by awesome you mean vomit inducingly lame then yes ! I sense a lil bit of sarcasm in your post so Im assuming that is indeed what you meant lol

On October 08 2010 04:26 Fianchetto wrote:
Barracks requiring supply depot, and nitro packs requiring factory seem really stupid to me. I don't understand why blizzard wants to limit the options of Terran players. I don't think I will expect to see reapers at all now, especially with roaches getting range too.

On October 08 2010 04:29 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
So how does a <50% win rate for TvZ call for things like supply depot changes and roach range increases?

On October 08 2010 04:29 Sqq wrote:


because those stats from the ladders are total bull-fucking-shit.

On October 08 2010 04:28 TheYango wrote:

I'd say making Nexus before Gateway, CC before Rax, and Hatch before Pool viable openings that don't auto-lose to reapers is a little more than "fixing one stupid unit".

On October 08 2010 04:22 ThirdStorm wrote:
Even after these changes, Zerg will still keep losing because all the buffs in the world won't make up for the lack of skill Zerg players lack to fully play their race. Reapers will now be useless and Roaches will be overpowered. Good job you whining Zergs, Christmas is coming early for you guys.

On October 08 2010 04:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:

How do you figure?

On October 08 2010 04:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:

How do you figure?

We're increasing roach range. This will allow roaches to be more effective in large groups, giving the zerg more options in the mid to end game.

Fungal Growth will now prevent Blink, which will give zerg a way to stop endlessly Blinking stalkers which can be very challenging to deal with in large numbers.

The Barracks are going to require a Supply Depot, which will impact a lot of early terran reaper pushes.

The reaper speed upgrade will require the Factory, which is meant to weaken a lot of the early terran reaper attacks that dominate so many matches, especially in team games.

We're making a number of increases to the health of zerg buildings, which will make the very vulnerable zerg technology structures more resistant to raids. We don’t expect these hit point changes to have a super significant impact on the game, but the current numbers felt way too low.

On October 08 2010 04:28 Seam wrote:
Mutas never counter Thors. Not even with Magic Box. You still need a quite higher cost of Mutas to kill Thors.

On October 08 2010 04:32 blagoonga123 wrote:


Because in his own experience he loses ZvTs more often than he wins.

I'm willing to bet.

On October 08 2010 04:19 Pekkz wrote:



Nobody that is good likes this changes? Only seen jinro and zelniq in this thread that can be considerd good, and they have different opininons.....

I think the supply depot before rax is overkill myself, since roach>reaper and reaper speed after factory. They only put that in there for team games and that is pretty retarded.

However, the terran whine in here cus of a 1 range upgrade on roach will make hellions useless is so retarded. You lost reaper opening, and 10 rax bunker shit. Deal with it.

On October 08 2010 04:32 wrgrbl wrote:
Uh, how about the matchmaking system forces a 50% winrate and winrate determines league placement.

On October 08 2010 04:30 SexyBimbo wrote:
God bless you, Blizzard! You are truly enlighted! This is so amazing, I love all of it.

Finally Terran can no longer cheese early game like P and Z can do!

Finally are roaches worth the money again! Who would pay 75/25/2 for a unit that does not take damage from storm, is great against zealots and colossi, very beefy in general, already used a lot in all matchups because it f*cking owns if used right?

Finally can I 14 Hatch all day every day against Terran and also not get ling speed maybe? Roaches with 4 range and a crawler as well as 2 queens to block the ramp should be enough to fend off hellions I assume!

Finally they take out one of terran's units that is designed to be used as harassment! Now I can can get to lategame every time! And so can my protoss friends who I am sure love the new roach!
PvT is P favoured lategame and ZvT is Z favoured lategame. Actually I am pretty sure it is or at least that it should be in the current balance situation. So obviously I welcome the fact that Terran now can't win because the (admittedly, not sarcastic on this one...) imbalanced pushes and attacks get nerfed one after another and the lategame does not get fixed in return.

Finally can Protoss no longer forgeFE because my beautiful roaches will tear down the wall! Finally do I no longer need hydras for a bust on a cannon defense! Finally are forcefields only half as bad! Hooray for less macro intensive styles! I just wish they would make maps with more backdoor rocks, too (they could call it something like "rainforest lowlands" eg.), so we can be even more aggressive and can impossibly reach good saturation so we dont even have to expand anymore! I liked WC3 better than BW anyways!


Ok, I dont wanna be entirely negative - the FG-Blink fix and Zerg structure HP increase are probably good fixes.
Oh and before anybody says something like "LOL terran players crying already"
Coming from BW terran (only D+ level though -.-) I do already have 260 APM and don't freaking care how hard some guys think zerg macro is on a mechanical level because that is probably the thing I am best at in the whole game... Guess what, I switched from Terran to Zerg because macro fits my style, because I always found lategame Zerg to be extremely strong (if not even OP granted the player is good) and because Zerg rewards high APM the most, I feel.
Felt pretty solid so far but I think with this patch buffing Z even more they might overdo it. Honestly, with Cool decisively winning the GSL and the ZvT stats Browder provided us with I'd rather give it some more time, especially since the reapers have already been nerfed last patch.

I don't mind reapers being less viable and I don't mind depot before barracks that much because I never used to cheese anyways (back when I played terran). But I DO mind them not giving Terran some good lategame options in return. I always thought Terran had so many harassment options because they NEEDED them to stay on even footing. Because any time I just macroed and let macro until I hit 200 Supply and beyond that moment I just lost no matter how much better I knew I was (because I've played the guy a million times before and he even told me he just a-moved his ultras via minimap).
I've heard many people claim 200 supply of thor, hellion and some vikings to be the best army in the game but I never actually saw proof. And my pushes of that kind always died to just mass ultras with a flank...
I think Zerg is OP lategame, yes I said it, and thus I do still think you need to force them to waste overlords and lings as scouts and to get ling speed just in case and to tech to roaches just to deal with hellions better and to get crawlers just to get a little safer versus harassment and to get the third later because enemy pushes are so strong.
Now with roach's range 4 and the "depot before rax" requirement I feel Zerg has it a lot easier to get to their OP lategame.
I mean I switched to Zerg after all, some time ago actually, and I am doing fine having a lot of fun.
But ultimately I want this game to be well balanced giving each race an equal chance of winning in all stages of the game if that is even possible. If it is not possible I want it to be at least as good as it was in BW.


I think time will tell and I am not especially good unfortunately but I dont like how this looks...

SB