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change to SC2 right now JD. so that you'll be at the top again. Flash rules BW right now and you wont be able to take the throne from him .
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On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote:
You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
lol duck, you're so right.
Crazy sick would be adjectives to describe a human-like player.
With Jaedong's RTS talent and the new mechanics of SC2, Jaedong will be a sc2 GOD-LIKE player.
You see all the Zerg's now-a-days losing games and complaining about imbalance when really they are losing because they can't handle how hard Zerg is compared to the other races (Zerg can actually be very good, as shown by Fruitseller). With Jaedong's skills (far surpassing Cool's in SC:BW by over 10 fold), the Zerg race's potential can finally be peaked (until new patches come out).
SO EXCITED!!!!
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On October 05 2010 08:32 Nade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:47 HeavyArmZ wrote:On October 05 2010 07:37 Nade wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow. It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game. The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia. The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too. I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched. I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are. what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit. the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure. There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
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i wonder how many sponsors pull out of the bw scene once jaedong leaves. OSL/MSL prize money will be gone and every other progamer will have to switch as well.
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Wow. I'm actually pretty surprised that he is so willing to jump in sc2. It could be very interesting to see top pros like Jaedong show the rest of the world how to play. This kind of news makes me so excited.
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He can't be allowed to play.
He and Flash would break the game.
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Am I wrong in saying that SCBW progamers actually earn a lot less money than they should?
I think 85,000 dollars EVERY MONTH is a pretty big draw card.
On October 05 2010 13:31 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote:
You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right... lol duck, you're so right. Crazy sick would be adjectives to describe a human-like player. With Jaedong's RTS talent and the new mechanics of SC2, Jaedong will be a sc2 GOD-LIKE player. You see all the Zerg's now-a-days losing games and complaining about imbalance when really they are losing because they can't handle how hard Zerg is compared to the other races (Zerg can actually be very good, as shown by Fruitseller). With Jaedong's skills (far surpassing Cool's in SC:BW by over 10 fold), the Zerg race's potential can finally be peaked (until new patches come out). SO EXCITED!!!!
lol, always someone who has to turn a thread into a balance argument, sigh.
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I hope Jaedong stays with Broodwar for a while longer yet. One feels that his talents would be wasted on SC2 at this point at least.
Jaedong fighting!
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This is great news, really hope Flash also considered switching.
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"- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
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On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote:
"- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
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Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
Imagine the mean masturbation sessions he has with those wrists O_O
..Actually dont imagine that 
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On October 05 2010 13:38 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:32 Nade wrote:On October 05 2010 07:47 HeavyArmZ wrote:On October 05 2010 07:37 Nade wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow. It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game. The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia. The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too. I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched. I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are. what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit. the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure. There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war. I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro. You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
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On October 05 2010 20:56 wiesel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 13:38 Dfgj wrote:On October 05 2010 08:32 Nade wrote:On October 05 2010 07:47 HeavyArmZ wrote:On October 05 2010 07:37 Nade wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow. It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game. The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia. The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too. I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched. I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are. what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit. the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure. There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war. I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro. You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start.. Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
The finals were not that exciting to be frank. It was way to onesided and Fruitseller made ITR look extremely bad on a few occasions. Both Fruitsellers and ITR's quarter and semifinals were much better.
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On October 05 2010 20:39 mustaju wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote:
"- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
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On October 05 2010 21:53 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 20:39 mustaju wrote:On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote:
"- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse. If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
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Thought him and Flash are gonna keep at BW for another 5 years? b4 switching.
Though i would rather see them come to SC2 when the game is universally acknowledged that all the races are balanced
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Can't wait for the switch.
I've been watching e-sports BW for a long while now and it has just gotten more and more progressively boring as the same things are done over and over again except the only difference is the skill required to pull them off. The realization of how skilled you actually need to pull off pro level play in BW makes it an amazing spectator sport of course, but that novelty has long worn off now. We all know flash is the best and seeing him rape everyone else isn't new or exciting.
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On October 05 2010 22:47 ironchef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 21:53 papaz wrote:On October 05 2010 20:39 mustaju wrote:On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote:
"- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse. If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25. Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at boxer... he still plays sc but you can see that he just can't cope with the micro/multitasks as well
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Lol cool and rainbow are now official SCREWED. Jaedong figthing!!!
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