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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 04 2010 20:20 GMT
#361
Expected.
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sl0w
Profile Joined July 2010
United States447 Posts
October 04 2010 20:57 GMT
#362
Isn't this expected? I'm sure even Flash and others are thinking the same thing. Most people are acting like he's already made the switch when he himself says it could take yrs...
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 04 2010 22:02 GMT
#363
On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.

I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.


It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out.
Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future.
Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.


The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
October 04 2010 22:12 GMT
#364
Wow, I had a horrible day, but when I read this I'm suddenly so happy!
coLCruncher fighting!
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 04 2010 22:18 GMT
#365
On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.

I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.


It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out.
Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future.
Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.


The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.


Look, I'll PM you about the gameplay excitement topic specifically.
However, I find it really hard to deny that a player of JD's caliber has a lot more to offer in BW than in SC2.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10110 Posts
October 04 2010 22:32 GMT
#366
First: Jaedong needs to beat FlaSh in an ACTUAL finals with NO POWER OUTAGES!!! He also needs that golden badge from the MSL
Second: If Jaedong were to leave, then the entire Starcraft 1 community woujld just crumble into dust, because Flash would just ROFLSTOMP his way to victory EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thus, no more competition, no more SC1.
Third: SC2 would just be conquered by Jaedong like the fuking beast he is and BAM! Next firve GSL will all go to Jaedong while Flash continued his rampage of a Jaedong-free zone in SC1. Flash 10 MOSL, Jaedong 5GSL
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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
October 04 2010 22:36 GMT
#367
So interested to see jaedong playing sc2. I wonder if he'll make cool look like how cool makes everyone else look.
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
October 04 2010 22:37 GMT
#368
On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.

I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.


It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out.
Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future.
Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.


The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.



The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 04 2010 22:37 GMT
#369
On October 05 2010 07:32 FlaShFTW wrote:
First: Jaedong needs to beat FlaSh in an ACTUAL finals with NO POWER OUTAGES!!!

It's an actual final. That's kind of like saying Flash should beat JD in actual finals with decent maps.

He also beat Flash in the tg-intel classic finals.


Also I'd say that JD has more to offer in SC2 actually, SC2 Zerg needs him.
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
October 04 2010 22:41 GMT
#370
JD has much work to do in BW before switching over to sc2. He needs to 1)beat flash, 2) beat flash some more and 3) Win his golden badge 4)Restore balance to the force. Anyways, JD's salary alone is pretty nice atm, 140000000 won iirc. And that doesn't include bonuses, individual league prizes, harems and especially sponsorship.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
October 04 2010 22:46 GMT
#371
this is cool but i feel like it's kind of a waste of talent for Jaedong to play sc2. I'm gonna miss his mutas
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HeavyArmZ
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil28 Posts
October 04 2010 22:47 GMT
#372
On October 05 2010 07:37 Nade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.

I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.


It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out.
Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future.
Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.


The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.



The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players

You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches.
Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.

I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.

I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
October 04 2010 23:06 GMT
#373
It was only a matter of time. No need to resist it now - cause it is only a matter of time.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Tef
Profile Joined April 2008
Sweden443 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-04 23:27:21
October 04 2010 23:26 GMT
#374
Jaedong fighting!

I really enjoyed watching and playing SC, I enjoy watching SC2 as much and playing even more. As en e-sport SC2 has much more potential than SC to become popular outside of Korea. Only time can tell if SC2 will succeed. However, SC will never regain its popularity among casual gamers and thus the potential crowd is gone, with or without SC2.
Dont fuck up, dont fuck yourself
Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
October 04 2010 23:32 GMT
#375
On October 05 2010 07:47 HeavyArmZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 07:37 Nade wrote:
On October 05 2010 07:02 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 05 2010 05:18 mustaju wrote:
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote:
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap.
Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays..
Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.

I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.


It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out.
Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future.
Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.


The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.



The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players

You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches.
Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.

I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.

I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.


what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.

the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.

There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
biskit
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia355 Posts
October 04 2010 23:48 GMT
#376
I find SC2 a more interesting scene to spectate for casuals. I could entice my friends who don't play BW or SC2 to watch it, but they always zone out even when I tried to show Flash v Jaedong games. After 12 years old, look good you don't.

Like it or not, SC2 is the future of StarCraft scene.
tru_power22
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada385 Posts
October 05 2010 00:08 GMT
#377
YES

LEE-JAEDONG FIGHTING!!!

Poor Idra, will no longer be the best SC2 zerg.
Smoke Errday!
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
October 05 2010 00:09 GMT
#378
Man if the dong moves over to sc2 it'll be fuckin' amazin'.
peachsncream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States289 Posts
October 05 2010 02:31 GMT
#379
You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 02:40:23
October 05 2010 02:39 GMT
#380
On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote:
You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...


why do people think this?
i mean people like idra who had great mechanics in BW are doing fine in scII.
JD has even better mechanics than idra (part of the reason for his success in BW and one of his most identifying features) and he has really quick reflexes and is very adaptable. why should he do no better than idra?

(note: i have nothing against idra at all, just basing this off of JD's BW success and the skill that he needed to do so in BW).

We're talking about a guy who has the apm to never miss an inject larvae, who will spread his creep sickly, and can manage his armies even easier with the large groups allowed and will probably have the spare time to do any special micro if needed (as if autosurrounding zerglings need any help lol). He will be able to output many more commands than the vast majority of humans would be able to.. it certainly wouldn't hurt in his quest to become "crazy sick" at SCII or whatever game he plays in
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