I just read this interview with Jaedong conducted by www.rakaka.se with this interesting statement:
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years. .
Edit: Sorry for any misinterpretation. The correct translation is the one above.
Hellspawn from rakaka.se commented on the translation problem: "The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers"
So, when will we see Jaedong in SC2?
Mod note: This interview was conducted Korean<->English, and then Swedish<->English for the article.
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience.
NOTE: this is the translation found in the topic in the BW section, this paints a vastly different picture.!
Thats a loose translation I'm pretty sure...plus he doesn't mention whether he'll switch right away or eventually, since everyones said they'll switch eventually....
why do u guy so crazy? its obvious that he will switch. but iam pretty sure he will just switch if SC:BW stops getting supported or if he becomes the next savior so calm the fuck down and dont act like he switched alrdy.
On October 04 2010 06:54 rasers wrote: why do u guy so crazy? its obvious that he will switch. but iam pretty sure he will just switch if SC:BW stops getting supported or if he becomes the next savior so calm the fuck down and dont act like he switched alrdy.
On October 04 2010 06:51 banana wrote: holy shit........
Time for every sc2 player to cower in fear.
Why? It's not like **I'm** gonna hit him on the ladder.
Time for every pro-gamer sc2 player to cower in fear. lol
Jaedong hwaiting!
But srsly, how legit is this site? And this doesn't really tell us anything we didn't know. Of course Jaedong will switch, EVENTUALLY. I want to know WHEN!
On October 04 2010 06:53 gerundium wrote: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience.
NOTE: this is the translation found in the topic in the BW section, this paints a vastly different picture.!
Yeh you're right. They hadn't translated this part when I read it. The thing is, the swedish word "då" could either mean "when" or "as". It is a matter of interpretation I guess. I never meant to excite everyone in vain
On October 04 2010 06:53 gerundium wrote: How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience.
NOTE: this is the translation found in the topic in the BW section, this paints a vastly different picture.!
Also in the swedish version it says "when i feel", not "as I feel".
Edit:Hmm, ok, apparantly då can mean both, well i'm not that good at swedish :D
Well I think the most meaningful piece of information here is that he won't retire if/when Broodwar stops being played in MSL/OSL/Proleague but will switch over. It might happen a bit earlier but I doubt it happens in the next 6 months.
Would love to get some confirmation on whether this interview is legit or not. One more progamer switching from BW to SC2 shouldn't make a huge difference to the proscene of either game, but the name of Jaedong will definitely move crowds.
On October 04 2010 07:00 Zato-1 wrote: Would love to get some confirmation on whether this interview is legit or not. One more progamer switching from BW to SC2 shouldn't make a huge difference to the proscene of either game, but the name of Jaedong will definitely move crowds.
As you can read it says "I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status" and thats going to take some time before that happens in korea I think.
Looks to me like something has been lost in translation. From korean to english to swedish and then back again? As borny said the word 'då', as its used in the swedish sentence is correctly translated to "...as I feel...". Does it mean thats what he actually said? Probably not.
On October 04 2010 07:04 Enth wrote: Looks to me like something has been lost in translation. From korean to english to swedish and then back again? As borny said the word 'då', as its used in the swedish sentence is correctly translated to "...as I feel...". Does it mean thats what he actually said? Probably not.
Hellspawn from Rakaka replied
On October 04 2010 07:03 Hellspawnl wrote: The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers.
The official translation from the website was clarified to "as I feel", but in English you can still take "as I feel" to mean "when I feel like it is" or "because I feel like it is," so it's still a bit confusing
IT's a good thing Jaedong isn't switching over anytime too soon, everyone needs to develop their skills a lot higher to be able to withstand the beast.
On October 04 2010 07:00 Zato-1 wrote: Would love to get some confirmation on whether this interview is legit or not. One more progamer switching from BW to SC2 shouldn't make a huge difference to the proscene of either game, but the name of Jaedong will definitely move crowds.
As you can read it says "I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status" and thats going to take some time before that happens in korea I think.
Why is that going to take some time? The growth of the OSL and the MSL is being drastically stunted by Gretech, disgruntled pro gamers not on the A team are switching, the GSL is offering massive prizes that are ripe for the picking and SC2 is gaining steam worldwide. In fact all signs are pointing to SC2 completely taking over very soon, maybe as soon as this time next year.
On October 04 2010 Can somebody translate the whole interview. Great news btw.
The interview is fully translated
On October 04 2010 On the site it says "when i feel," not "as i feel;" that's a pretty big difference.
I wrote this in the original thread in the Brood War Section here
"The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers."
Hikko: Same thing goes for swedish, so theres not much clarity in it. We'll probably know soon enough, this thing is gonna blow up for sure and he will have to make another statement.
On October 04 2010 06:58 TBO wrote: Well I think the most meaningful piece of information here is that he won't retire if/when Broodwar stops being played in MSL/OSL/Proleague but will switch over. It might happen a bit earlier but I doubt it happens in the next 6 months.
yes, but even your brother will have to think twiCe how to beat Jeadong once hes there.
You'd better change the first line from "when" to "since" as people posting aren't really getting the jist of that sentence. As in, he already believes it to have "higher status".
Hi guys! As Hellspawn has stated, it should read "as I feel" and not "when I feel". Still, I think there's room for intepretation. Looking at the preceding sentence though, he says he will "definitely change", so we got that clear.
StarSense, we not only look like a tabloid, we are a tabloid. Don't worry though, our interview is completely legitimate. We are on site at WCG in Los Angeles and have furthermore conducted interviews with both Kal and Flash earlier (both can be found in the forum). All interviews with Koreans have been conducted with the help of a translator, and that's where something eventually can have gone wrong.
On October 04 2010 On the site it says "when i feel," not "as i feel;" that's a pretty big difference.
I wrote this in the original thread in the Brood War Section here
"The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers."
On October 04 2010 07:21 Looky wrote: jaedong the best zerg in bw atm. 400 apm. will probably own everybody up. flash his nemesis would be also cool if he went to sc2.
He just said that he'll be playing BW for another 5 years (thread should be on the front page of BW forums).
OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO OH NO jaedong in sc2... best zerg ever now with the ability to select every single zergling at once?
Can somebody translate the whole interview. Great news btw.
The interview is fully translated
On October 04 2010 On the site it says "when i feel," not "as i feel;" that's a pretty big difference.
I wrote this in the original thread in the Brood War Section here
"The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers."
Yikes, if Jaedong switches to SC2 and Flash stays in BW for 5 more years, it'll be pretty boring betting on who's going to win tournaments ^^. Flash will become completely uncontested in BW while Jaedong will steamroll everyone in sc2.
Can somebody translate the whole interview. Great news btw.
The interview is fully translated
On October 04 2010 On the site it says "when i feel," not "as i feel;" that's a pretty big difference.
I wrote this in the original thread in the Brood War Section here
"The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers."
Essentially he said that he'll only switch IF sc2 suprasses BW as it falls by the wayside. There is no guarantee that will happen in the forseeable future if at all.
I think they should nerf zerg next patch, it would make the game balanced in the long run haha This is amazing or terrible news whatever way you look at it.
Can somebody translate the whole interview. Great news btw.
The interview is fully translated
On October 04 2010 On the site it says "when i feel," not "as i feel;" that's a pretty big difference.
I wrote this in the original thread in the Brood War Section here
"The translation is a little bit updated. We are sorry for some confusion and misleading information. We're covering all the games at WCG and therefore on a final day like this it get's a little bit hectic. It was suppose to say "as I feel" and not "when I feel". We are also sorry about the mistranslation abotu the biggest news item in the interview that Jaedong will be switch to Starcraft 2 eventually. Hope you liked it anyway, cheers."
Did no one go to the actual site to read the interview's english translation?
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
Thanks to the OP for getting everyone riled up by cutting off the last half of the last sentence.
On October 04 2010 07:29 Jzerg wrote: Did no one go to the actual site to read the interview's english translation?
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
Thanks to the OP for getting everyone riled up by cutting off the last half of the last sentence.
On October 04 2010 06:48 Tabbris wrote: HOLYY.....Shit
Cool may lose his zerg hero statues
Thats if he chooses Zerg when he makes the switch. I doubt he would switch over races but a lot of players have switched up. It is a new game with new mechanics after all so Zerg isn't "Zerg" anymore and neither are the other races. Something else may fit him better?
On October 04 2010 07:29 Jzerg wrote: Did no one go to the actual site to read the interview's english translation?
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
Thanks to the OP for getting everyone riled up by cutting off the last half of the last sentence.
Jesus christ. First they didn't translate it at all. Then they made an ambiguous translation. Now they added this line. Sorry, I didn't mean to fool anyone - I just got excited when I read it as "I will switch now as I feel..."
Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
On October 04 2010 07:31 Entertaining wrote: Starcraft BW just died. Flash now has no competition.
= =;
You obviously werent around when saviOr ruled the world.
Obviously, you werent there when Iloveoov ruled the world either.
What about when Nada was the shit?
U know, u werent in Korea to see how it was for the past 10 years. Trust me SC had its competitions. Its way too premature to state something as big as you r saying now.
If you look at ppl moving over to sc2 right now, its all sc1 legends and trash. Cool was not famous because of the team? Flash is not exactly in the best team either. SC will remain strong till proleague stops.
He's already said recently that he expects to be playing Broodwar for a few more years yet, I suspect he'll probably wait until after the release of both of the expansion packs and the game has all its major changes made before making the leap.
I don't get what all the excitement is about. He basically said when BW dies he will play SC2. Which shouldn't really surprise anyone. It's more of a question of when than if.
On October 04 2010 07:43 Darkong wrote: Calm down folks, its not an immediate switch.
He's already said recently that he expects to be playing Broodwar for a few more years yet, I suspect he'll probably wait until after the release of both of the expansion packs and the game has all its major changes made before making the leap.
This.
It's going to be a lot longer than people seem to be making it out to be. I would say a year at the absolute shortest, probably longer. BW has a while yet.
On October 04 2010 07:29 Jzerg wrote: Did no one go to the actual site to read the interview's english translation?
How do you see the future of StarCraft: BroodWar and will you change to StarCraft 2? - I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar. We will see more international tournaments in SC2 compared to StarCraft: Broodwar and this will make the change natural for me. I want to build my reputation abroad and reach out to the international audience but when I decide to change game I can not say, it can be today, it can be tomorrow it can be in a couple of years.
Thanks to the OP for getting everyone riled up by cutting off the last half of the last sentence.
On October 04 2010 07:44 Adila wrote: I'd estimate at least 2 to 3 years before he seriously considers switching unless BW just collapses instead of slowly dying.
On October 04 2010 07:27 NoXious90 wrote: Essentially he said that he'll only switch IF sc2 suprasses BW as it falls by the wayside. There is no guarantee that will happen in the forseeable future if at all.
Why are everyone thinking that? Reread the posts. It has been clarified that he did not say "when", but "as". Which indicate that he will definitely switch.
On October 04 2010 07:41 AssuredVacancy wrote: Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
Let's just not read too much into it, and that's both for overly negative and overly positive responses. Jaedong is unsure of when he will switch, but the good news is that he will eventually switch to SC2 and that he does seem to be interested in doing it, not only because he can't make money in BW or whatever.
I take this as great news and I just hope the change is sooner rather than later
On October 04 2010 07:41 AssuredVacancy wrote: Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
Agreed. Pretty sure they will move over as soon as there is more money and publicity in SC2.
On October 04 2010 07:41 AssuredVacancy wrote: Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
On October 04 2010 07:41 AssuredVacancy wrote: Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
Thread title is silly hype
The title is "Jaedong on his future in SC2". No, there is no hype in the title. Jaedong does touch on his future in SC2 and that he will, in fact, switch over.
The guys at rakaka have been hassling the Koreans about Starcraft 2 for every single interview, Jaedong is just giving them what they want to hear so they leave him alone.
Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
Well, Jaedong saying "I will definitely switch to SC2" is big news, whether or not it's now or two years from now.
Ironically I think JD and flash would probably switch races to suit their styles [JD=T / Flash=Z in sc2]. However, both will wreck shit so hard, it will be amazing.
On October 04 2010 08:56 dRaW wrote: Ironically I think JD and flash would probably switch races to suit their styles [JD=T / Flash=Z in sc2]. However, both will wreck shit so hard, it will be amazing.
That's actually an interesting point and it would be quite interesting to see them do that in SC2.
No surprises here. Did anyone actually expect them to stick with the same game forever? Plus the fact that if you go through the history of SC no one stays on top very long. In a couple of years, or whenever the top BW guys decide to switch they could very well not be the top guys anymore. The rise and fall of powerhouse progamers is a quick one. They are still very good and relevant, but it doesn't take long for someone to come along and surpass them as time marches on.
It will be a good final push for SC2 into e-sports mainstream when they make the switch, but has yet to be determined if their success in BW will carry over.
In the flash interview from wcg touching on sc2, flash said him and jaedong would be playing BW for 5more years or so. Probably due to contractual obligations.
On October 04 2010 08:59 Anomarad wrote: Because people don't change their mind, right?
"I will definitely be switching to SC2 as I feel that SC2 will reach a higher status than SC:BW. There will also be more international tournaments in SC2 than there have been in SC:BW, which will make it natural for me to switch games as I wish to raise my status among the international audience. I can't say if it will happen today, tomorrow, or in a couple of years."
Doesn't exactly sound like something he came up with on a whim in order to please the interviewer - he's likely been thinking about this for some time.
I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
It's actually "when" I feel. Pretty huge difference, so please fix asap
Yes, changes the whole meaning of the sentence. There is no Korean transcript of what he said so all the entire interview was filtered through a translator cos the interviewers obviously don't speak Korean. Small mistakes like these can have a big impact. I'm just imagining the Korean message boards tomorrow if netizens start thinking he's going to switch over to SC2 in the near future. Poor JD. He already got a shitload of flack for 4 pooling Flash.
The very article is titled "Jaedong: Jag kommer byta till SC2"
Means "Jaedong: I will change to SC2" rough translation
No ifs
No buts
No "I might change one day but some people said that Flash said in some interview that we will be playing for 5 more years"
Look i get okay, alot of you are upset that things arent looking great for Brood War, but that does not mean that you throw out all reality out the window, turn a blind eye and come up with exuses just to keep whatever hope there is left for BW.
I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar.
It's actually "when" I feel. Pretty huge difference, so please fix asap
Yes, changes the whole meaning of the sentence. There is no Korean transcript of what he said so all the entire interview was filtered through a translator cos the interviewers obviously don't speak Korean. Small mistakes like these can have a big impact. I'm just imagining the Korean message boards tomorrow if netizens start thinking he's going to switch over to SC2 in the near future. Poor JD. He already got a shitload of flack for 4 pooling Flash.
Dude seriously okay?
- Jag kommer definitivt att byta spel till SC2 då jag känner att Starcraft 2 kommer nå en högre status än Starcraft: Brood War.
- I will definatly switch to SC2, becuase i realize that SC2 will reach a higher status than Brood War
If parse the entire thing, it's fairly obvious that JD thinks that SC2 has a higher upside than BW because of the international popularity of the game and that this is what intrigues him about it. And he's right too. His stock will climb as a player quite a bit around the world whenever he decides to switch.
I think too many people are assuming that JD will play Zerg in SC2 and Flash will play Terran if/when they switch. Wouldn't it be pretty funny if JD played Terran and Flash played Zerg? :D
On October 04 2010 07:41 AssuredVacancy wrote: Wait where does it say jaedong will switch in the near future? Yeah it says it's an eventuality, but it's an eventuality for every bw progamer pretty much.. I don't understand why everyone is so excited.
this
people need to calm down
he didn't say when he would switch and I'm sure it won't be anytime soon
Flash: "they seem really interested in it [SC2]. I am also, but I am very busy during the season" Jaedong: "I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar" Kal: "There's not a lot of chances left for BW in WCG" .....
On October 04 2010 09:44 Antoine wrote: why are people taking this to mean right away? obviously he's going to switch eventually, nothing new is in this interview
How is there not anything new? Has there been a interview with JD beforehand where he says he will play SC2 and that the only question to him was really when that was going to be?
If there is no such interview then there is something new here, no?
its obvious. and its also obvious that he will switch when SC one day goes down. if SC:BW will remain like it is now he ofcourse wont switch because of his save money and stuff. if NOTHING changes he will stay.
but ofc something will change someday so he will switch. but calm the fuck down... u act like he is playing SCII already...and that it wasnt obvious that he will switch...
On October 04 2010 09:49 fantomex wrote: Seems silly for any player not to be taking a shot at GSL. But I'm sure he has some contractual obligations or some such nonsense.
If he really plays BW for 5 more years, when he switches to SC2 it'll be "Ja-do-who?"
I think it's inevitable I just didn't expect him to say something like this so soon. It almost sounds as if he intends to be in GSL season 3-4, which is really shocking.
There was this awesome quote from Idra when he was asked if he was worried about Nada and Boxer plaiyng SC2 and he said something to effect of "No, but if Jaedong, Flash or Stork changed that would be a different story" Well, looks like it might be a different story.
Man I hope he switches soon but not too soon. I want to see him roll Flash a few more times before he moves to sc2 ^^. But it is very nice to know he does plan to switch to sc2 rofl be prepared for the zerg imba when he does
Half the comments here are arguments on things that have already been clarified... People need to start reading more than just a few lines before they post some comment.
On October 04 2010 09:49 fantomex wrote: If he really plays BW for 5 more years, when he switches to SC2 it'll be "Ja-do-who?"
It's funny you say that considering it was huge news when players like Nada, Boxer, and JulyZerg (all players years past their primes) started playing SC2. You seriously don't think that even 5-years down the road, the greatest Zerg to ever play Brood War joining the competition wouldn't be huge news? Also, anyone who can dominate the entire Brood War scene certainly has the raw talent and skill to make major waves in the SC2 scene. SC2 may be a different game, but mechanics and multi-tasking ability do carry over as does a degree of innate game sense.
If the current S-Tier Brood War players do begin to transition into SC2, it really wouldn't be surprising at all to see them start to smash the current top SC2 players within a relatively short amount of time. The level of skill between the top current Brood War players and the top current SC2 players is simply incomparable. If a B-Teamer like Idra can be one of the best SC2 Zergs in the world, what do you think will happen when people like Jaedong, Flash, and Stork start practicing and playing?
Sad, though one sided recently, leessang rok is just on another level. The prospect of no more JvF is a blow to esports. Get ready to watch JD own SC2 like Flash is owning BW now =/.
I'll just hope that JD holds out for another year or so and we can watch some more JvF.
Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
On October 04 2010 06:50 Newguy wrote: Is this site actually legit? I didn't even know that Jaedong played any starcraft 2.
one of the biggest E-sport sites in sweden, at least the biggest for E-sport news. so yeah, they're pretty legit and they go to most E-sport events
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote:
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
soooooo... basically you're saying jaedong is a korean idra?
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
this is a guy who has the apm to never forget that inject larvae, always throw down that mule at around 50 energy, turns on that chronoboost, stays low mineral and gas all game, etc. not to mention that he has a very solid understanding of SC1; that previous knowledge certainly wouldn't hurt in SCII. So if people like cool and idra are doing well right now, considering that JD most certainly has what they have had in order to succeed in esports, how would he do? If you consider cool or basically any other player right now to be "dominant", why would JD not be able to be as dominant? that's why people are so excited lol.
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
soooooo... basically you're saying jaedong is a korean idra?
His point remains valid actually. Look how far Idra got compared to Cool. Idra has fantastic mechanics, but pure mechanics will not get you as far as they would in BW.
However, Nada showed in his match against TLO that BW mechanics definitely help a lot, even if you're unfamiliar with SC2 strategy/tactics. Also, if there's a race that rewards top notch mechanics, it is Zerg.
Jaedong coming over to SC2 will be sick for sure. Just remember that he might not stick with Zerg, so don't get your hopes up. The non-Koreans better practice harder since we got players like NaDa, JulyZerg, etc playing in GSL.
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
I would actually argue that the SC2 "metagame" (what people seem to call it) is actually pretty stable. Of course it's not as stable as Brood War, but the huge community of experienced RTS players along with replays and match histories has actually caused the game to stabilize fairly quickly. Of course you still have the occasional creative or suprising play here and there and each patch will change things, but I think people don't really see how much of SC2 has already been "figured out". Just look at tournaments like the GSL. We do have standard play and precision timing builds. Of course trends slowly change, but a large part of that is due to the evolution of maps, which is also constantly fueling the evolution of Brood War as well.
The concepts that govern Brood War are, for the most part, the same concepts that govern SC2. Economics, unit control, scouting, territory control, etc. Good RTS players are successful not just because they memorize a particular game, but because they display mastery of these concepts and are able to make use of them better than other players. The units, build orders, and other game mechanics are merely details. This can be seen by the fact that the top gamers in SC2, are unsurprisingly, people that were also very good at previous RTS games. People like Jaedong and Flash don't shine in Brood War because they are just mechanically good in a game that has been "figured out". They shine because the way they are able to think and manage their gameplay is simply on another level.
Of course Jaedong will lose games. He loses plenty of games in Brood War too. But "new builds" already are few and far inbetween in SC2 and the ones that do show up are only new until they are used for the first time. The vast majority of games in SC2 are still incredibly predictable and will, for the most part, likely stay that way even as people transition between different trends in gameplay.
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
this is a guy who has the apm to never forget that inject larvae, always throw down that mule at around 50 energy, turns on that chronoboost, stays low mineral and gas all game, etc. not to mention that he has a very solid understanding of SC1; that previous knowledge certainly wouldn't hurt in SCII. So if people like cool and idra are doing well right now, considering that JD most certainly has what they have had in order to succeed in esports, how would he do? If you consider cool or basically any other player right now to be "dominant", why would JD not be able to be as dominant? that's why people are so excited lol.
Well, of course he'd be dominant, but if you look at SC2 right now, it's not the high APM or super mechanics people that are winning, it's those who are grasping the entire scope of what is possible in the game faster. It's why Fruit Dealer won the GSL. He has the best command of what is possible (right now) in the game, combined with the skill to pull it off.
Not saying that JD couldn't also do this of course, but I agree with Beef Noodles that the game is so young, and so not hashed out yet at all, that there will be surprises in every new tourney as people figure out the game more and more. And if you don't keep up with it, you lose.
Really, it's why I find SC2 more entertaining now than BW even though all the best players still play BW. Watching the game transform before our eyes as people figure out new strats and counters to those strats, etc, is so damn exciting to see.
On October 04 2010 10:37 SoL[9] wrote: GSL 2/3 Winner = Jaedong
Edit: If Jaedong thing to change Flash will to so GSL 2/3 Winner = Jaedong or Flash
I'm betting my balls that even if JD and Flash switch right now, they won't participate / qualify for the finals of GSL 2/3. Really, it takes some time. A lot of the skills from BW need to be unlearned first.
i think all these bw players, seeing people like Cool, who never had their kind of success in SC1, winning 85000 dollars are like... fuck yeah i could do with that kind of cash. And I'm BETTER than this guy.
On October 04 2010 06:48 Tabbris wrote: HOLYY.....Shit!
Cool may lose his zerg hero statues
Nope, Boxer maintained his hero status. Cool will forever be known as the first tourney winner. Although he really needs to win the main tourney to cement his name, and I will be pulling for him to do it!
Also, Jaedong in sc2... I'd never watch broodwar again.
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
Ya, pretty much.
But, seriously, Cool had some good tactics and good build orders but I duno, to me, nothing wow spectacular. In the end, it was his mechanics that won imo. He out-macroed ITR like a king, and Jaedong is going to do the same. I, from day one, never fell into the camp of sc2 is too easy. That's just lol.
Jaedong didn't become the Tyrant just because he was good at mechanics. They used to say you could never succeed with the same strat twice against the Dong.
On October 04 2010 11:49 Cloak wrote: Jaedong didn't become the Tyrant just because he was good at mechanics. They used to say you could never succeed with the same strat twice against the Dong.
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
I have to disagree here. Cool beat Rainbow without doing any "surprise" tactics. He simply outplayed his opponent via superior execution. Pros do lose single games to unorthodox strategies sometimes but not entire BoX's.
Otherwise how could people like Tester and Rainbow be so dominant? They are far from being the most creative SC2 players and yet perform more strongly than most others.
If SC2 demands more superior creativity/strategic thoughts than superior mechanics, then how come TLO (or other foreigners) didn't win GSL? :O I think because 1v1 in SC2 is still human vs human, superior mechanics should still be considered as a necessary skill for a SC2 competitive player.
The prize money from these GSL's will make Starcraft 2 grow really really fast. And to be honest me watching 2 people play for 85k us just gives me half a chubby. I think if blizzard nails its next patch and introduces some map making competitions or teams it will be game on. Or uses the IC cup maps haha.
why does this surprise people? GSL has 87K tour many times a year. jaedong et al. are progamers. The only thing limiting them to BW is a contract good for X amount of time.
Jaedong would prob find SC2 zerg too boring ;/ defend defend defend defend defend ok it's midgame I can finally do something with mutas OH WAIT THESE AREN'T BW MUTAS FUCCKKK.
I love JD immensely, he's my fav BW player but It'd be disappointing to see him pigeon holed into the narrow options that Zerg has right now. Someone mentioned that after his oz contract he'd have military duty so he wouldn't be playing sc2 till at least 2015 :o
On October 04 2010 12:51 Tachion wrote: Jaedong would prob find SC2 zerg too boring ;/ defend defend defend defend defend ok it's midgame I can finally do something with mutas OH WAIT THESE AREN'T BW MUTAS FUCCKKK.
I love JD immensely, he's my fav BW player but It'd be disappointing to see him pigeon holed into the narrow options that Zerg has right now. Someone mentioned that after his oz contract he'd have military duty so he wouldn't be playing sc2 till at least 2015 :o
He's 'in school' so doesn't need to do military until he wants to. I really hope he plays zerg, but you're right in that his potential would be wasted on the retardation that is current zerg.
lol...Blizz should offer Jaedong top seeding for GSL if he switches. If both him and Flash switch then its pretty much the end of BW and they don't have to worry about all the legal stuff.
On October 04 2010 12:33 Scottymc wrote: The prize money from these GSL's will make Starcraft 2 grow really really fast. And to be honest me watching 2 people play for 85k us just gives me half a chubby. I think if blizzard nails its next patch and introduces some map making competitions or teams it will be game on. Or uses the IC cup maps haha.
SCII kids... they are crazy... but sure the next patch will nail it ^^.
For those saying JD may change his race when he switches, well I guess he wouldn't. Reading the entire interview and assuming this is for real, he says: "The last time you faced FlaSh prior World Cyber Games you went four pool, yesterday when you faced him in the semi final you did not, what made you change your tactics? -Last time I did it I lost, my fans went bananas. They were very angry and swore against me. That is the main reason I did not go four pool in the semi final against FlaSh."
If he cares that much about his fans to change his game strategy, he would never change races and lose his zerg crown.
Well, it would be damn interesting to see he plays another race, but I wouldn't count on that.
I don't see why everyone here is surprised. If Jaedong switches, wouldn't that mean that every single broodwar player would switch over? With one of the major players switching over, that would mean that every other broodwar progamer would also switch over, as definitely sponsors would not want to sponsor Broodwar since SC2 has higher returns.
That would mean, Bisu, Kal, Fantasy and everyone else would be switching over! Including Flash!
Of course, this time should still be a long long time away.
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
Except in SCBW Jaedong actually revolutionized every single Zerg matchup(2hatch muta ZvT, 3hatch spire 5hatch Hydra ZvP[new standard], and completely reworked the entire ZvZ matchup). He's also creative, he didn't just "do what everyone else did". In fact, he constantly develops new builds in SCBW even now. He's extremely sharp tactically and strategically. You haven't been watching alot of BW I'm guessing?
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
Except in SCBW Jaedong actually revolutionized every single Zerg matchup(2hatch muta ZvT, 3hatch spire 5hatch Hydra ZvP[new standard], and completely reworked the entire ZvZ matchup). He's also creative, he didn't just "do what everyone else did". In fact, he constantly develops new builds in SCBW even now. He's extremely sharp tactically and strategically. You haven't been watching alot of BW I'm guessing?
Um.. he didn't say any of the things you're trying to disagree with him about. Your use of quotes implies you're quoting something, but nobody said that.
The point is SC2 is still very young compared to BW so there are a lot more surprises. Don't be surprised if Jaedong gets surprised by some of these surprises.
Why, this is wonderful news. Hope he doesn't play Terran like JulyZerg (can't confirm that but heard that rumor,) I would love to see what he can do as Zerg.
Flash and Stork will be in Sc2 soon so im not sure they will domainate everything... They are coming accroos sooner rather thenlater! Think next pro league etc will be the last!!!
On October 04 2010 10:34 Beef Noodles wrote: Looking at some of the posts, I think people need to remember that the STATE of BW and SC2 are SO different right now. Jaedong was the best of the best because he had the greatest zerg mechanics of all time. He also had AMAZING decision making and inventive builds, but still mechanics played the most important role in a game like BW because everything was pretty much figured out. People understood the game so well that they could just glance at a situation and know exactly what went wrong.
Watch Nal_rA "old boy" series. Listen to what even some of the less skilled pros say. "You lost that battle because you needed 1 more zealot." or "you transfered you probes a little too late so you had a few less dragoons" (these are not the exact examples they use, but very similar).
In a game where basically everyone know WHAT to do, it becomes a question of who can do it BEST and FASTEST. That's where Jaedong really shined. Now, that is NOT the case in sc2. Right now, pros are being surprised by new builds and tactics all the time. Mechanics are incredibly important, but vastly superior mechanics do not guarantee a win quite yet in SC2.
So basically my point is that Jaedong will not DOMINATE. He will still be beatable. He will be amazing due to those great mechanics and he is also a very smart, innovative player. But, people seem to think that he will just go undefeated as soon as he learns the hotkeys.
Now that being said, when many years pass and SC2 becomes as understood as BW, someone like Flash and Jaedong will dominate anyone with inferior mechanics.
Note: I realize that I over-simplified what it takes to be good in the BW scene, but my point is still valid
(replying here because I don't want to waste my 200th post ) Reply: Jaedong is an IdrA on steroids with better decision making and amazing innovation. So not really the same because I feel like IdrA hasn't gotten to a point where he needs to base his strategies off his opponents.
Reply 2: I do feel like Jaedong will be the best or one of the best, but he will still lose games to stupid "new" builds. I don't want someone to see that and think "how was this guy a sc1 god?"
Except in SCBW Jaedong actually revolutionized every single Zerg matchup(2hatch muta ZvT, 3hatch spire 5hatch Hydra ZvP[new standard], and completely reworked the entire ZvZ matchup). He's also creative, he didn't just "do what everyone else did". In fact, he constantly develops new builds in SCBW even now. He's extremely sharp tactically and strategically. You haven't been watching alot of BW I'm guessing?
Um.. he didn't say any of the things you're trying to disagree with him about. Your use of quotes implies you're quoting something, but nobody said that.
The point is SC2 is still very young compared to BW so there are a lot more surprises. Don't be surprised if Jaedong gets surprised by some of these surprises.
Yeah and they'll only work once. Don't be surprised if Jaedong surprises as well ...
Haha fucking fantastic!! Jaedong is a machine, no doubt about it that he will break the game as soon as he starts practicing. People seem to forget sometimes at what level he plays. SC2 mechanics will be nothing for a player like him. I'm awaiting perfection.
On October 04 2010 16:45 grudgeStar wrote: I would like to see Jaedong come back next season and completely destroy Flash in every tournament, make Bonjwa and then start playing SC2.
incorrect translation. jaedong is still sticking to sc:Bw why the hell would jaedong leave his 6 figure SALARY, NOT TOURNAMENT WINNINGS INCLUDED, to join a game where there are no salaries and only one major tournament.
On October 04 2010 17:25 Coeus1 wrote: Never played SC1. This guy is god or something?
hes the god of zerg best zerg on the planet was the best player of the world for a while until flash passed him up. you are missing out not watching his sublime control. but then again, you didn't play sc1. who knows if you can appreciate sick micro and crazy management
Doesn't matter what race Jaedong will play or even Flash they will rape every everyone. Ofc if Jaedong dont pick zerg he gonna loss the "magic" like Flash. They only loss the "magic" but they dont gonna loss games.
But seriously, if Jaedong leaves Flash won't be far behind. The competition will just be gone unless someone else rises up(and effort already left so....)
On October 04 2010 18:25 Sicktanick wrote: Hope that Hwaseung Oz transfer to Sc2 son
This is gonna come down to either Jaedong leaving Hwaseung, or Kespa going bancrupt or something. Right now the rules of Kespa dont allow "switching to SC2" as far as i know. Thats why Iron, MVP and Idra all left their Kespa-pro-teams for SC2
Nothing has changed. A lot of progamers have said the same thing and I don't think it's the first time Jaedong says it too. No reason to change any time soon though as he clearly says his goal is to increase his reputation abroad and there are currently no big international tournaments.
On October 04 2010 20:43 tyr wrote: Nothing has changed. A lot of progamers have said the same thing and I don't think it's the first time Jaedong says it too. No reason to change any time soon though as he clearly says his goal is to increase his reputation abroad and there are currently no big international tournaments.
GSL is fairly large internationally, at least from a spectator point of view. Several hundred thousand watched it live and already the VODs are at nearly 150k views on the official site after only a couple of days (I dont know how many through restreams or other unofficial sources for the VODs).
I mean, he does say that SC2 already has a higher status than BW... "I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar."
On October 04 2010 21:13 TheRabidDeer wrote: GSL is fairly large internationally, at least from a spectator point of view. Several hundred thousand watched it live and already the VODs are at nearly 150k views on the official site after only a couple of days (I dont know how many through restreams or other unofficial sources for the VODs).
I mean, he does say that SC2 already has a higher status than BW... "I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar."
Vods and live is good obviously but the live audience and the players more importantly are still mostly korean. For the OSL finals in China, he said he was excited because it was a big match outside of Korea. I'm pretty sure what he wants is live audience and more foreign players, to prove his global domination to everyone.
I dont even know if the players in GSL are aware of the large foreign audience on the internet actually. I remember from interviews and other communication between foreigners and BW pros, there was always that question "are you aware that you have a lot of fans outside of korea ?" and they seemed surprised every single time.
Awesome! The sc1 pros shall shine in sc2. Very good news for sc2 as an esport. Now...how much time before Stork switches.... Nonetheless I am happy. :D
I mean, he does say that SC2 already has a higher status than BW... "I will definitely change to StarCraft II as I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar."
I don't know it it's been mentioned already but there's some confusion about that bit of the interview. In Swedish it says "...as I feel that Starcraft 2 will have/reach a higher status..."
I don't know which one is correct though, just saying. Personally I think the Swedish translation makes more sense.
On October 04 2010 06:52 Erectum wrote: I hope Jd will arrive in SC2 after the next patch ;D
Patch Notes: We feel zerg is severly underpowered, thus we thought the time has arrived for a massive buff, so we made the following changes: - Jaedong added
Source GosuGamers.net - Interview with Flash after he won the WCG: "There are plenty of opportunities to see us in Korea and it is definitely not the last chance to see us play against each other since we will continue to play Starcraft: Brood War for at least five more years," says Flash to Rakaka.se.
While some players have transitioned over to StarCraft 2, Flash admits that he has not even tried the new game.
- "I have not had the time to do so since I have been busy playing Starcraft:Brood War. I will not change the game in the near future," says Flash, but is not short on what he thinks of his potential skill in Starcraft 2: "However I believe that both me and Jaedong will be in the top if we ever change game."
On October 04 2010 23:06 Xxio wrote: NO NO Jaedong, you WILL NOT move over to StarCraft2
please don't
not anytime soon
listen to Flash, 5 more years, minimum. oh god, i'm not ready for this.
With how kespa takes around 50% of winnings and salary isn't as much as chain winning GSL's *which he is capable of doing*, you're not thinking about the players, which seems to be the last thing on peoples minds here.
On October 04 2010 23:06 Xxio wrote: NO NO Jaedong, you WILL NOT move over to StarCraft2
please don't
not anytime soon
listen to Flash, 5 more years, minimum. oh god, i'm not ready for this.
With how kespa takes around 50% of winnings and salary isn't as much as chain winning GSL's *which he is capable of doing*, you're not thinking about the players, which seems to be the last thing on peoples minds here.
ahem. mr. Flash gets 300k from kt salary if he wins just enough, not included prize money. how many gsl's do you have to win to make that much money?
"Either you retire a BW legend, or you stay long enough to see yourself become an SC2 player."
Just kidding. The thought of JD in SC2 is very interesting and will have huge impacts, but that just seemed like a safe answer that doesnt tell us much. I mean I assumed everyone had that stance anyway; every bw pro has to have weighed that option against their current situation.
i found it interesting how he felt he needed to build a reputaion in the community abroad. Im not sure if he knows that we all think he's a total baller or not. Regardless im really curious about how long he will stay with BW, the money in sc2 might draw him over fast though
The thing is JD likes hanging out with us and I can totally see him doing this in a few years time. I think he's just pointing out the obvious. I don't think he'll switch until he's no longer viewed as a top player or wins another major title.
On October 04 2010 23:06 Xxio wrote: NO NO Jaedong, you WILL NOT move over to StarCraft2
please don't
not anytime soon
listen to Flash, 5 more years, minimum. oh god, i'm not ready for this.
With how kespa takes around 50% of winnings and salary isn't as much as chain winning GSL's *which he is capable of doing*, you're not thinking about the players, which seems to be the last thing on peoples minds here.
You're right, I'm being completely selfish and I don't care.
However, BW is the better eSport in my humble opinion and seeing top players leaving (i.e. it fading away) is not a good thing for the entirety of professional gaming. In other words, I do not want to see the best, most entertaining game ever made slip away into the night, even an iota, especially when it still has so much to offer.
Who knows, maybe KeSPA will be forced to make better deals with BW players in order to keep the scene alive. Would be nice. I'd also like a pony.
On October 04 2010 23:06 Xxio wrote: NO NO Jaedong, you WILL NOT move over to StarCraft2
please don't
not anytime soon
listen to Flash, 5 more years, minimum. oh god, i'm not ready for this.
With how kespa takes around 50% of winnings and salary isn't as much as chain winning GSL's *which he is capable of doing*, you're not thinking about the players, which seems to be the last thing on peoples minds here.
You're right, I'm being completely selfish and I don't care.
However, BW is the better eSport in my humble opinion and seeing top players leaving (i.e. it fading away) is not a good thing for the entirety of professional gaming. In other words, I do not want to see the best, most entertaining game ever made slip away into the night, even an iota, especially when it still has so much to offer.
Who knows, maybe KeSPA will be forced to make better deals with BW players in order to keep the scene alive. Would be nice. I'd also like a pony.
SC2 can't compete with BW. BW has heroes and history. However, if you are willing to give SC2 those 5 years, we might just find that SC2 develops its own heroes and history.
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
On October 05 2010 00:56 Xxio wrote: ...is not a good thing for the entirety of professional gaming...
You're in denial. The migration of storied BW players to a game that despite its immaturity is exploding on the esports scene with high prize pools and burgeoning endorsements from major gaming organizations is a great thing for the entirety of professional gaming.... It takes more than the best RTS gameplay ever developed to remain successful in esports for this long.
Increasingly BW will become a niche community within 'the entirety of professional gaming'.
On October 05 2010 02:17 Jermstuddog wrote: Even Cool in GSL wasn't mindblowing as much as him just doing the same old thing fast enough to stay alive and get to the next stage of the game.
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
Because there is a small but very vocal segment on TL called the BW diehards, they cannot give something new a change, they fear change and thus must slam and try to damage control anything.
It is laughable that some of them even try to post reasons why things wont happen despite the fact THAT THE GODDAMN PLAYER SAID THEY WOULD! like "well he has a contract for 2 years, then he is off to the military, then he will be in a coma for 9 years, then he will travel around the world, so basically Jaedong will play SC2 in 2024 lol"
It is wishfull thinking on their part, and a attempt to keep the past alive
On October 05 2010 02:17 Jermstuddog wrote: Even Cool in GSL wasn't mindblowing as much as him just doing the same old thing fast enough to stay alive and get to the next stage of the game.
we werent watching the same games
I agree with you lol what is he talking about? The games were awesome!
You guys really need to drop the whole us versus them shit. It gets old. There are plenty of hardcore BW fans. It's a SC forum for a reason. Use some simple logic. I for one played both for quite a while. As it stands I enjoy watching Brood War over SC2 because it is more polished and entertaining.
Keeping the past alive? It's happening as we speak. As for the future. Ask me a few years from now and I'll get back to you. As for now, we're living in the now (kind of redundant) and that's the only thing that matters to me.
On October 05 2010 02:17 Jermstuddog wrote: Even Cool in GSL wasn't mindblowing as much as him just doing the same old thing fast enough to stay alive and get to the next stage of the game.
we werent watching the same games
I agree with you lol what is he talking about? The games were awesome!
I don't get why some people think you can only like one or the other. I've been a fan of pro BW for five years and I really enjoyed the final. It's nowhere near as honed as BW yet, of course, but there was some amazing displays of skill there, particularly by Cool.
On October 05 2010 02:17 Jermstuddog wrote: Even Cool in GSL wasn't mindblowing as much as him just doing the same old thing fast enough to stay alive and get to the next stage of the game.
we werent watching the same games
I agree with you lol what is he talking about? The games were awesome!
I don't get why some people think you can only like one or the other. I've been a fan of pro BW for five years and I really enjoyed the final. It's nowhere near as honed as BW yet, of course, but there was some amazing displays of skill there, particularly by Cool.
Yup I agree with you. I love watching both as I think both are very entertaining. Sure BW has some more epic games but its also been played a lot longer then sc2 and yet sc2 still has some crazy awesome games :D.
Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all?
Because there is a small but very vocal segment on TL called the BW diehards, they cannot give something new a change, they fear change and thus must slam and try to damage control anything.
It is laughable that some of them even try to post reasons why things wont happen despite the fact THAT THE GODDAMN PLAYER SAID THEY WOULD! like "well he has a contract for 2 years, then he is off to the military, then he will be in a coma for 9 years, then he will travel around the world, so basically Jaedong will play SC2 in 2024 lol"
It is wishfull thinking on their part, and a attempt to keep the past alive
I feel like growing up as a kid, I'd always see movies, read books and hear about in class some conflict where there was always the bright new dreamers trying out something at the time radically different but the old guard traditionalists refused to let go and fought tooth and nail to protect something which, in 20-20 hindsight, seemed pretty stupid. I always promised myself I'd never be one of those conservative cling-to-what-you-know types, but now for the first time that's really being tested. I grew up loving SC1, and following the pro-scene was the best, but now it seems that chapter is coming to an end. So, through the pangs of nostalgia and sadness at seeing something that I got so much enjoyment from come to a close, bring me that horizon. I'm glad to see Jaedong stepping into the brave new world of SC2 and can't wait to see what he's capable of there.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
Isn't this expected? I'm sure even Flash and others are thinking the same thing. Most people are acting like he's already made the switch when he himself says it could take yrs...
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
Look, I'll PM you about the gameplay excitement topic specifically. However, I find it really hard to deny that a player of JD's caliber has a lot more to offer in BW than in SC2.
First: Jaedong needs to beat FlaSh in an ACTUAL finals with NO POWER OUTAGES!!! He also needs that golden badge from the MSL Second: If Jaedong were to leave, then the entire Starcraft 1 community woujld just crumble into dust, because Flash would just ROFLSTOMP his way to victory EVERY SINGLE TIME. Thus, no more competition, no more SC1. Third: SC2 would just be conquered by Jaedong like the fuking beast he is and BAM! Next firve GSL will all go to Jaedong while Flash continued his rampage of a Jaedong-free zone in SC1. Flash 10 MOSL, Jaedong 5GSL
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
JD has much work to do in BW before switching over to sc2. He needs to 1)beat flash, 2) beat flash some more and 3) Win his golden badge 4)Restore balance to the force. Anyways, JD's salary alone is pretty nice atm, 140000000 won iirc. And that doesn't include bonuses, individual league prizes, harems and especially sponsorship.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
I really enjoyed watching and playing SC, I enjoy watching SC2 as much and playing even more. As en e-sport SC2 has much more potential than SC to become popular outside of Korea. Only time can tell if SC2 will succeed. However, SC will never regain its popularity among casual gamers and thus the potential crowd is gone, with or without SC2.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I find SC2 a more interesting scene to spectate for casuals. I could entice my friends who don't play BW or SC2 to watch it, but they always zone out even when I tried to show Flash v Jaedong games. After 12 years old, look good you don't.
Like it or not, SC2 is the future of StarCraft scene.
On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote: You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
why do people think this? i mean people like idra who had great mechanics in BW are doing fine in scII. JD has even better mechanics than idra (part of the reason for his success in BW and one of his most identifying features) and he has really quick reflexes and is very adaptable. why should he do no better than idra?
(note: i have nothing against idra at all, just basing this off of JD's BW success and the skill that he needed to do so in BW).
We're talking about a guy who has the apm to never miss an inject larvae, who will spread his creep sickly, and can manage his armies even easier with the large groups allowed and will probably have the spare time to do any special micro if needed (as if autosurrounding zerglings need any help lol). He will be able to output many more commands than the vast majority of humans would be able to.. it certainly wouldn't hurt in his quest to become "crazy sick" at SCII or whatever game he plays in
On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote: You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
lol duck, you're so right. Crazy sick would be adjectives to describe a human-like player. With Jaedong's RTS talent and the new mechanics of SC2, Jaedong will be a sc2 GOD-LIKE player.
You see all the Zerg's now-a-days losing games and complaining about imbalance when really they are losing because they can't handle how hard Zerg is compared to the other races (Zerg can actually be very good, as shown by Fruitseller). With Jaedong's skills (far surpassing Cool's in SC:BW by over 10 fold), the Zerg race's potential can finally be peaked (until new patches come out).
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
i wonder how many sponsors pull out of the bw scene once jaedong leaves. OSL/MSL prize money will be gone and every other progamer will have to switch as well.
Wow. I'm actually pretty surprised that he is so willing to jump in sc2. It could be very interesting to see top pros like Jaedong show the rest of the world how to play. This kind of news makes me so excited.
On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote: You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
lol duck, you're so right. Crazy sick would be adjectives to describe a human-like player. With Jaedong's RTS talent and the new mechanics of SC2, Jaedong will be a sc2 GOD-LIKE player.
You see all the Zerg's now-a-days losing games and complaining about imbalance when really they are losing because they can't handle how hard Zerg is compared to the other races (Zerg can actually be very good, as shown by Fruitseller). With Jaedong's skills (far surpassing Cool's in SC:BW by over 10 fold), the Zerg race's potential can finally be peaked (until new patches come out).
SO EXCITED!!!!
lol, always someone who has to turn a thread into a balance argument, sigh.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
Imagine the mean masturbation sessions he has with those wrists O_O
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
The finals were not that exciting to be frank. It was way to onesided and Fruitseller made ITR look extremely bad on a few occasions. Both Fruitsellers and ITR's quarter and semifinals were much better.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
I've been watching e-sports BW for a long while now and it has just gotten more and more progressively boring as the same things are done over and over again except the only difference is the skill required to pull them off. The realization of how skilled you actually need to pull off pro level play in BW makes it an amazing spectator sport of course, but that novelty has long worn off now. We all know flash is the best and seeing him rape everyone else isn't new or exciting.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at boxer... he still plays sc but you can see that he just can't cope with the micro/multitasks as well
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at boxer... he still plays sc but you can see that he just can't cope with the micro/multitasks as well
Watching his game vs Idra that he basically lost from the beginning letting Idra expand so quickly and then coming back from nothing and almost winning makes me think that Boxer has a shot if he gets serious. I doubt he is all that serious about SC right now.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
The finals were not that exciting to be frank. It was way to onesided and Fruitseller made ITR look extremely bad on a few occasions. Both Fruitsellers and ITR's quarter and semifinals were much better.
In general finals games tend to be less exciting, lots of cheesing, all ins, risky stuff that doesn't work out. It's not just in starcraft or starcraft 2 (Although i think this final was at least better than flash vs effort osl final) but I can definitely see huge improvements being made every week in sc2. Also, because of the whole counter system, it seems like the number of strategies that are possible will never end in a glorious rock -> paper -> sisscor battle. If rock gets too popular, use paper, etc etc. Which makes scouting insanely more important than ever. Although many progamers will succeed in sc2, they will have to adapt to the huge mental game that goes on in sc2. Information will become more valuable than units, expansion timings will have to be perfected. Also with the addition of easy drop tech, nydus, blink stalkers, warpgates, proxy racks, players will be constantly on the defense for harass, while trying to get any lead that they can manage.
I think jaedong has what it takes to make sc2 better and brighter and look foward to they day he comes over.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at the Old-boy series, it is the perfect example. + Show Spoiler +
He practices his ass off, ravages all nighter practice session and still gets owned by the young guns in prelims
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
Lol at skill cap in sc2. There is no such thing as a skill cap. You can always get better at making workers, scouting, harassing, perfecting build timings, positioning your army, building stuff, splitting the army for a better surround, keeping up constant pressure. Yes, some of the tedious things are gone, but that means players will have more time for other things. If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. The only loss in skill cap is early game (<50) where even gold players can play close to optimal, but thankfully games usually last longer than 50 food. (As a reminder, even in chess average ranked players can play perfect openings because they memorize the different lines. It's when you get into unknown territory that pros stick out.)
As the wow factor, I find sc2 to be more enjoyable more often. Yes there are some amazing sc1 games, but there is usually very little surprise. I think watching TLO nuke so that his tanks could get in position was the most excited i've ever gotten over a video game ever. Also, as much as the players hate it, watching early game harass is a lot of fun.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at the Old-boy series, it is the perfect example. + Show Spoiler +
He practices his ass off, ravages all nighter practice session and still gets owned by the young guns in prelims
because of his job commitments, nal_ra had nowhere near the practice that the people he played in prelims.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at boxer... he still plays sc but you can see that he just can't cope with the micro/multitasks as well
..........speechless. this post = non sense thats like if i said "hey, look at the morrow vs idra game on blistering sands @ IEM, idra CLEARLY can't macro/larvae inject/multi task anymore..." seriously, that was 1 ladder game you're referring to and he didnt even do too badly vs the one of the top macro zergs in the world
If there was a skill-cap in SC2, how can you explain the fact that the most accomplished brood war players in the tournament were the ones that did the best. Tester has a televised match win over Flash, Fruitdealer has a televised match win over Nada, and Rainbow has a televised match win over Bisu.
Coincidence that these 3 made the top 4? As for people saying "Rainbow was bad in the finals durr hurr", please shut the fuck up, that's the nature of starcraft. When Jaedong loses to flash first tank/sci vessel push, he looks like a scrub. Or remember the first set of the MSL finals jaedong won over flash, when he opened mutas and just flat out killed all of flashes SCVS forcing a GG? Like literally, every single one of them. That's the nature of SC, the losing player always looks worse than he is.
Rainbow was 11-1 in his games prior to meeting a superior player in the finals, but he was still the second best player in the world at the time of the GSL, and he deserved to be there. Rainbow played well but FD played that much better. To cheapen FD's win does him a great disservice considering how amazing his strategies were on each map. Like how he took the gold base on Kulas instead of his natural so that he could defend the tank drop with spinecrawlers on one side and roachs on the other and thus circumvent that whole problem with hatch first builds on ledge maps. Or how he held of a fucking proxy rax reaper rush with a hatch first build by using a slow zergling ambush in the smoke. Absolutely brilliant play, cheapened by critics who don't know how starcraft works.
On October 05 2010 02:11 Trizz wrote: Why don't people want JD to switch to SC2, or any progamer at all? SC2 is THE future, I'd love to see JD switch asap. Now with these new replay features, ingame cam, you can even drool more while watching his replays.. Hoping JD will stay Zerg, he'd probably bring some new creative play to the race.
I simply can't wait, I wish it was tomorrow.
It might be a bleak future, with stupid micro, even more stupid gimmicks and graphics that make it hard to understand what's even going on. It's a future where area denial has become a battle of high ground vs. no high ground, not spider mines, lurkers, reavers or split strike forces. Massive blobs roam the battlefield, and harassment becomes harder to do since less bases are needed to get a critical mass of units out. Whereas WCG, the least important major BW tourney, with only 3 koreans, a "stale game", produced epic matches where a single scarab shot was way more exciting than I envision SC2 to go at this moment. If you don't believe me, watch JD vs. Flash game 2, or Kal vs. Flash game 1. I can't imagine this sort of greatness in any other game. And yet I see it ripped away for promises of an uncertain future. Sure, people like SC2, and I'm sure they have their reasons. But there isn't a shortage of players in the SC2 scene, and I don't understand why people feel the need for BW to be ripped apart. It would be a shame if SC2 crashes and burns, and there is no BW to pick up the pieces and give E-sports another try with a new game.
The ONLY reason scarabs are interesting at all is because you never know if they are going to actually work. The odd bug of scarabs increased spectator tension at the cost of gameplay. Everything else in BW is equally exciting in SC2. The only reason you see this amazing BW greatness is because your eyes are all gleaming for BW nostalgia.
The only thing i find SC2 interesting as a viewer are cutesy built by players
You have obviously not watched the most recent GSL matches. Or even older ones, Cool vs OgsToP was imho even better than the finals (where Rainbow insisted too much on one strat), the semi-finals had some interesting stuff too.
I've said it to pretty much every BW fanboy - BW hasn't developed and reached its top notch state of the art strategy game in 2 months, I don't care how many "pros" existed back then and how many "pros" there are now (trying to unveil all the possible bos), things will take some time. Don't go condemning the game just because it's not 100% a copy of the original. Plus, it's not looking grim at all with the latest tournies I've watched.
I'd love to see how guys like JD and Flash would fare in SC 2, I wonder if they'd dominate as hard as the current sc1 progamers are.
what???? i pretty much follow most of the matches in GSL, especially from the top 32 onwards. we are talking about spectator view, the only thing decent i could have think of is baneling bomb, and mass ultralisk against thor is so spectacular, NOT. and stop the BW fan boy shit.
the 'wow' factor in the games are too little for the game to be nice for viewing pleasure.
There is a cap in sc2 skill level, with all the features we have, >12 unit per group i won't be surprise if boxer nada didn't even made it to the final or get eliminated by no namers. The difference between a good and pro player margin gap is much more closer then it is in brood war.
I found the finals to be on-par with BW in terms of spectator appeal. Players had multitask, didn't just 1a with a giant ball, and there were exciting battles with flanks/micro.
You can't compare the greatest BW games to it, but the GSL final was better than quite a BW finals imo, and that's a good start..
Uhm i found the GSL to be the most boring finals i probably ever watched in e-sport history in my last 10 years. I don't watch much sc2 but when you find these games exciting i don't know honestly what to say. From my spectator experience there was really nothing exciting at all in all these GSL games.
The finals were not that exciting to be frank. It was way to onesided and Fruitseller made ITR look extremely bad on a few occasions. Both Fruitsellers and ITR's quarter and semifinals were much better.
In general finals games tend to be less exciting, lots of cheesing, all ins, risky stuff that doesn't work out. It's not just in starcraft or starcraft 2 (Although i think this final was at least better than flash vs effort osl final) but I can definitely see huge improvements being made every week in sc2. Also, because of the whole counter system, it seems like the number of strategies that are possible will never end in a glorious rock -> paper -> sisscor battle. If rock gets too popular, use paper, etc etc. Which makes scouting insanely more important than ever. Although many progamers will succeed in sc2, they will have to adapt to the huge mental game that goes on in sc2. Information will become more valuable than units, expansion timings will have to be perfected. Also with the addition of easy drop tech, nydus, blink stalkers, warpgates, proxy racks, players will be constantly on the defense for harass, while trying to get any lead that they can manage.
I think jaedong has what it takes to make sc2 better and brighter and look foward to they day he comes over.
Blasphemy
Flash v Effort finals was one of the best things I've ever seen live. I am not joking.
Flash v Effort finals was one of the best things I've ever seen live. I am not joking.
He's just mad because Flash lost. I thought it was awesome too, one of the biggest upsets in any event ever, and it was because Effort figured out how to abuse Flash's greedy openings. Awesome series.
JaeDong making the switch would be awesome but sad for the BW scene. Acti-Blizz is hurrying way too much in trying to kill off BW.
Balance problems and lack of diversity compared to SC:BW definitely take away a lot of appeal from SC2 as it stands. SC:BW fans totally have the right to complain about Activision Blizzard forcibly trying to kill off SC:BW scene with their new flagship product which is still far from finished instead of a smooth transition. SC:BW is still far superior as a spectator sport for obvious reasons. IMHO this does far more damage than good for the current state of e-sports.
On October 06 2010 22:09 Fungee wrote: JaeDong making the switch would be awesome but sad for the BW scene. Acti-Blizz is hurrying way too much in trying to kill off BW.
Balance problems and lack of diversity compared to SC:BW definitely take away a lot of appeal from SC2 as it stands. SC:BW fans totally have the right to complain about Activision Blizzard forcibly trying to kill off SC:BW scene with their new flagship product which is still far from finished instead of a smooth transition. SC:BW is still far superior as a spectator sport for obvious reasons. IMHO this does far more damage than good for the current state of e-sports.
Really? They're in a hurry? So please recite for me when brood war was released and what you consider to be fast. Yeah no they seriously pushed sc2 release didn't they. BW never even saw it coming, it was so young.
He'll move when Sc2 gets bigger , or when Sc1 gets smaller , both will most likely happen , with the latter one coming first.
In anything , money talks , in this case sponsor talks , Sc2 looks pretty good despite just starting off. Nada already abandoned the sinking Sc1 ship , after a certain amount of time corporate sponsors start abandoning ship , then the ship sinks. And we'll most probably see Jaedong vs Flash in a GSL final lol. It's an evitable fate. The only thing is when that will actually happen.
As for people saying "Rainbow was bad in the finals durr hurr", please shut the fuck up, that's the nature of starcraft. When Jaedong loses to flash first tank/sci vessel push, he looks like a scrub. Or remember the first set of the MSL finals jaedong won over flash, when he opened mutas and just flat out killed all of flashes SCVS forcing a GG? Like literally, every single one of them. That's the nature of SC, the losing player always looks worse than he is.
On October 07 2010 05:39 Smackzilla wrote: So what's the next big SC1 tournament and what are the prize payouts?
Instead of trolling you'd be better off doing a research. It costs millions of dollars a year to sustain a single BW proteam. Go ahead and show me a single SC2 esport enterprise that has had millions of dollars invested into it. I bet the entirety of SC2 esports hasn't had more than several million dollars put into it, but that's just an estimation.
On October 07 2010 05:39 Smackzilla wrote: So what's the next big SC1 tournament and what are the prize payouts?
Instead of trolling you'd be better off doing a research. It costs millions of dollars a year to sustain a single BW proteam. Go ahead and show me a single SC2 esport enterprise that has had millions of dollars invested into it. I bet the entirety of SC2 esports hasn't had more than several million dollars put into it, but that's just an estimation.
Dude, its not trolling. It really is an honest question. And yes, I realize there's a lot more to professional sports leagues than tournament payouts.
On October 06 2010 22:09 Fungee wrote: JaeDong making the switch would be awesome but sad for the BW scene. Acti-Blizz is hurrying way too much in trying to kill off BW.
Balance problems and lack of diversity compared to SC:BW definitely take away a lot of appeal from SC2 as it stands. SC:BW fans totally have the right to complain about Activision Blizzard forcibly trying to kill off SC:BW scene with their new flagship product which is still far from finished instead of a smooth transition. SC:BW is still far superior as a spectator sport for obvious reasons. IMHO this does far more damage than good for the current state of e-sports.
Really, what's World of Wacrafts part in "trying to kill off the BW scene" ?
"The fastest selling PC game in history" is, regardless of one might think of the game itself, Blizzards flagship and cashcow.
On October 07 2010 05:31 john0507 wrote: He'll move when Sc2 gets bigger , or when Sc1 gets smaller , both will most likely happen , with the latter one coming first.
In anything , money talks , in this case sponsor talks , Sc2 looks pretty good despite just starting off. Nada already abandoned the sinking Sc1 ship , after a certain amount of time corporate sponsors start abandoning ship , then the ship sinks. And we'll most probably see Jaedong vs Flash in a GSL final lol. It's an evitable fate. The only thing is when that will actually happen.
i hope it happens with a better map pool than gsl1
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Millitary service... also esports unless you are at the very top can only sustain you for so long, and even so, you know it will end for you eventually, so you need to get education/job before you are too old.
So much for zerg being UP! (jkjk) If this comes to pass soon (GSL 2011 anyone?) that would be completly epic. Cool v Jaedong finals would make Artosis die while casting.
On October 05 2010 20:18 Ginastic wrote: "- FlaSh is three years younger then me so I will be too old if I continue to play for another five years"
Why do SC players retire so early...? I could understand if it was football or any other sports, but SC you should be able to play much looonger
Try imagining what years of practice 13 hours a day do to your wrists. Also, your reaction speed and multitasking abilities become progressively worse.
If people can drive formula 1/play tennis in ATP tour/be fighter pilots and lots more at age of 25-35 I don't know how much better reaction skills SC needs so that you can't compete at age 25.
Yeah... My guess is it's more of a social thing. As progressed as Korea is with eSports, I get the feeling most dont want to do it for too long and feel the need to get a "real job" or get married eventually. Even if its still eSport related, like analyst/coach/commentator, but not like as a player. Given the lifespan of games, and it still being a bit shaky industry,I think it's a reasonable position.
Look at boxer... he still plays sc but you can see that he just can't cope with the micro/multitasks as well
Watching his game vs Idra that he basically lost from the beginning letting Idra expand so quickly and then coming back from nothing and almost winning makes me think that Boxer has a shot if he gets serious. I doubt he is all that serious about SC right now.
There's what, two released games of Boxer? And they both happen to be losses. So I guess Boxer must have a 100% lose ratio huh. Let's at least wait and see till GSL2 before we use two ladder games to determine whether both Boxer AND Jaedong will success in SC2
There's what, two released games of Boxer? And they both happen to be losses. So I guess Boxer must have a 100% lose ratio huh. Let's at least wait and see till GSL2 before we use two ladder games to determine whether both Boxer AND Jaedong will success in SC2
I have 5 saved replays of manofoneway, so I'm sure there are more of him winning, plus he is ranked 9th on the Korean Ladder according to Blizzard's Top 200, so I'm sure he will be successful in SC2. He is the legendary Boxer of course.
On October 07 2010 10:45 SilentCrono wrote: jaedong switching over? goodbye, bw. you will be missed...
He never said he was going to switch. It was an IF (note the neutral stance) SC2 has a higher status than BW in Korea, which isn't looking good (thank god) as negotiations between KesPA and Blizzard are breaking down rapidly.
On October 06 2010 08:55 jdr_ wrote: Coincidence that these 3 made the top 4? As for people saying "Rainbow was bad in the finals durr hurr", please shut the fuck up, that's the nature of starcraft. When Jaedong loses to flash first tank/sci vessel push, he looks like a scrub. Or remember the first set of the MSL finals jaedong won over flash, when he opened mutas and just flat out killed all of flashes SCVS forcing a GG? Like literally, every single one of them. That's the nature of SC, the losing player always looks worse than he is.
QFT
I watched those 5 finals games in the GSL finally. Everyone was saying, "oh, well ITR didnt play nearly as well as he did earlier in the series" or even "ITRs play was horrible." Thats ridiculous, he didnt seem to play that badly. Its just Fruitdealers aggression and responses were too much for ITR. I mean, theres only so much you can do when it seems like every time you move out mutas intercept your medivacs, or if you siege up in a position only to find lings and roaches charging your fungal growthed army while banelings drop out of overlords, etc. Ive never seen a zerg player use the variety of units Fruitdealer did, and definitely not to the effect he had. ITR was outplayed, but its not like he was as bad as people made him out to be.
Personaly i'm not supprised that some zerg started to thing to move out of BW the previus season they were winning games vs protoss with an almost middle game hydralisk russ kal were loosing the one game after another from zerg stork also the same strangly Kal recovered also Storn woke up! When kal said he wanted Jaedong he did couse he has some unfinished buissness with the zerg dont forget he managed to eliminated effort like it was nothing in a large game like he was nothing.
All protoss pro players eyes were to Kal and Stork that finaly recovered i belive that snow will recover also the zerg will have really hard time from the beggin i hope jaedong will not quit after the game with Kal also.
Note, that these changes are only current planned ideas, they are subject to change so i wouldnt freak out too much yet, but zerg players, you guys can freak out in ecstacy all you guys want, lol. I can understand were blizzard is going with the depot before rax. All 3 races has their pros and cons for when and where they can build their buildings.Terran can build anywere anytime, pretty normal/standard if you look at it until we look at protoss and zerg. In the very early game, protoss is essentially pylon before building any buildings anyways. Another restriction of protoss is that they can build only in the radius of the pylon. i would rather pick terrans current building restrictions, which is none so far. Now lets look at zerg, they can only spawn buildings were there is creep (besides the hatch). So going from terran, to protoss, to zerg, zerg has it way worse than the other 2 races. So this new supply depot before rax is kinda evening out the balance between the building aspect. On the other hand, this does suck for those terrans that love early proxy rushes or reaper rushes, as a current terran player i can only accept this new change and find new ways to put on early early pressure.
On October 06 2010 22:09 Fungee wrote: JaeDong making the switch would be awesome but sad for the BW scene. Acti-Blizz is hurrying way too much in trying to kill off BW.
Balance problems and lack of diversity compared to SC:BW definitely take away a lot of appeal from SC2 as it stands. SC:BW fans totally have the right to complain about Activision Blizzard forcibly trying to kill off SC:BW scene with their new flagship product which is still far from finished instead of a smooth transition. SC:BW is still far superior as a spectator sport for obvious reasons. IMHO this does far more damage than good for the current state of e-sports.
Really, what's World of Wacrafts part in "trying to kill off the BW scene" ?
"The fastest selling PC game in history" is, regardless of one might think of the game itself, Blizzards flagship and cashcow.
Wow I forgot such a game existed. Should've added flagship strategy game.
Blizz should direct some income from Cataclysm to funding some cool SC2 tourneys.
On October 05 2010 11:31 peachsncream wrote: You guys do realize in sc2, jaedong won't be crazy sick like he is in brood war right...
lol duck, you're so right. Crazy sick would be adjectives to describe a human-like player. With Jaedong's RTS talent and the new mechanics of SC2, Jaedong will be a sc2 GOD-LIKE player.
You see all the Zerg's now-a-days losing games and complaining about imbalance when really they are losing because they can't handle how hard Zerg is compared to the other races (Zerg can actually be very good, as shown by Fruitseller). With Jaedong's skills (far surpassing Cool's in SC:BW by over 10 fold), the Zerg race's potential can finally be peaked (until new patches come out).
SO EXCITED!!!!
lol, always someone who has to turn a thread into a balance argument, sigh.
Actually that wasn't a balance argument at all. In fact if you actually read what I said, you'd see that it was the opposite of a balance argument. Thx for reading my post, but I'd prefer if you didn't completely misinterpret it.
On October 07 2010 10:45 SilentCrono wrote: jaedong switching over? goodbye, bw. you will be missed...
He never said he was going to switch. It was an IF (note the neutral stance) SC2 has a higher status than BW in Korea, which isn't looking good (thank god) as negotiations between KesPA and Blizzard are breaking down rapidly.
"I will definitely change to StarCraft II when I feel that StarCraft 2 is having a higher status then StarCraft: Broodwar."
In other words, he is going to change to StarCraft II. WHEN he changes over will be determined by how fast SC2 grows and how fast SC:BW weakens. If the process is fast, he will switch fast. If it is slow, then he will remain in SC:BW longer. There isn't a 'neutral stance' though... He IS going to switch.
Gives warm fuzzy feeling. Will have to feel sorry towards his competitors though, since JD should be winning all leagues from the point he starts playing on. Until Flash starts SC2 that is
notice how he says it could be today, tomorrow, or in a couple years usually when people make statements like this, they're exaggerating the uncertainty of when they will do whatever it is being discussed (in this case switching to sc2) and as such, they go for extremes. the extreme early was 'today/tomorrow' the extreme late was 'a couple years' meaning we could reasonably see him switch in a year or so. bw is dying faster than i thought lets hope im wrong about this.
edit: but when he does switch maybe sc2 will be worth watching :D not to be a flaming douchebag but i really havent seen anything very interesting other than some of TLO's crazy shit, and boxer's games. Nada's were pretty boring but its fucking nada so it was cool to watch anyways. anyways hopefully jaedong will destroy everyone in two thousa-i mean sc2 :o
"05 October 2010" It's from the exact same interview that started this whole thread. Jaedong is on a recently signed contract with Hwaseung Oz. I'm not exactly sure when that expires, but I can asure you that he will not be switching before that.
Sc2 would be a waste of his talents lol. He spent years working on his muta micro, learning how to simultaneously attack with like 10 groups of zerglings while still having hatchery hotkeys, perfecting his defiler control, and macroing like a beast, all at over 400 apm. Now it's like mutas are nothing but point and click, you can effectively manage an entire army on 3 control groups, you have perfect larva usage with 1 hotkey, and your infestors are merely point and click -_-
I wonder what his stance is on this almost a year later and with MBC game dying, along with Oz. Would be interesting to hear, if anyone has an update please post!
im sure he will switch over soon enough, especially considering he isnt playing as well as he was a while back in BW. If he keeps slumping and the scene keeps declining its only a matter of time.
I would love to see jaedong come to starcraft 2, but I feel like he would've "failed" at ever coming out of his slump. I would love to see him play at his best at bw again.
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jaedong! ! 
