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On January 07 2010 08:48 Boblion wrote:
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Yup the Athlon II x4 are quite bad for games or softwares relying a lot on L3, freq and not on the extra cores. Basicly it is x2 245 = x3 435 >= x4 620.
Quite sad but it might be slightly better with newer games ( those procs will be completly obsolete before the release of the first well optimised games for quads though lol ).
I think the x3 435 is the most interesting atm because it has the same performance overall in games and is cheaper.
Also why is nobody talking about the Sempron 140 since they aren't really that often unlockable?
I mean, a processor that will probably be near, performance wise, to a 65nm P4EE for only $39.99 is just an amazing deal. Think of the office and HTPC applications. Apparently it overclocks like a dream. Since i'm finally back in the US, i think i'll but together a cheap Sempron 140 rig next time i get the chance, just to see how it overclocks/performs.
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CPU: Core i7-920 (2.66ghz)
GPU: nVidia gtx 260 (1.8gb) by EVGA
RAM: 9gb
HDD: 1TB
PSU: 475W
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster p2370 (1920-1080)
This wasn't custom-built, bought it from dell a few months ago (Dell XPS 9000). Everything seems to looks fine except the PSU, which they assured us would allow my video card to run at it's full potential. I don't OC my cards either so that wouldn't create a problem either.
I'm sure it'll be overkill for future blizzard games including diablo 3 but I do plan on replacing my PSU and GPU with 500-600W psu and perhaps the anticipated release of a new card from nVidia, fermi once a good portion of dx11 games are released.
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On January 07 2010 09:49 hkfosho wrote:
CPU: Core i7-920 (2.66ghz)
GPU: nVidia gtx 260 (1.8gb) by EVGA
RAM: 9gb
HDD: 1TB
PSU: 475W
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster p2370 (1920-1080)
This wasn't custom-built, bought it from dell a few months ago (Dell XPS 9000). Everything seems to looks fine except the PSU, which they assured us would allow my video card to run at it's full potential. I don't OC my cards either so that wouldn't create a problem either.
I'm sure it'll be overkill for future blizzard games including diablo 3 but I do plan on replacing my PSU and GPU with 500-600W psu and perhaps the anticipated release of a new card from nVidia, fermi once a good portion of dx11 games are released.
if u run evrything at stock and your psu is a quality one (really delivering the 475) you should have no probs . esp since the trend at gfx cards is going lower on the power (see 5xxx series). as long as you dont plan to use any crossfire/dual gpu cards it should work out fine.
but if you upgrade get a quality psu. bequiet,corsair etc . or if you want to save money the arctic fusion 550r is great and DAMN cheap.
and sure, with that comp you can maybe even play diablo 4 ^^ we all know how easy blizzard titles are on the hardware. and blizzard knows that if their stuff is too demanding they will lose most of the asian market.
btw, what did you pay for that combo? seems great overall but a gtx260 is def a big weakspot in there.atleast compared to the rest
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On January 07 2010 10:14 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 09:49 hkfosho wrote:
CPU: Core i7-920 (2.66ghz)
GPU: nVidia gtx 260 (1.8gb) by EVGA
RAM: 9gb
HDD: 1TB
PSU: 475W
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster p2370 (1920-1080)
This wasn't custom-built, bought it from dell a few months ago (Dell XPS 9000). Everything seems to looks fine except the PSU, which they assured us would allow my video card to run at it's full potential. I don't OC my cards either so that wouldn't create a problem either.
I'm sure it'll be overkill for future blizzard games including diablo 3 but I do plan on replacing my PSU and GPU with 500-600W psu and perhaps the anticipated release of a new card from nVidia, fermi once a good portion of dx11 games are released. if u run evrything at stock and your psu is a quality one (really delivering the 475) you should have no probs . esp since the trend at gfx cards is going lower on the power (see 5xxx series). as long as you dont plan to use any crossfire/dual gpu cards it should work out fine. but if you upgrade get a quality psu. bequiet,corsair etc . or if you want to save money the arctic fusion 550r is great and DAMN cheap. and sure, with that comp you can maybe even play diablo 4 ^^ we all know how easy blizzard titles are on the hardware. and blizzard knows that if their stuff is too demanding they will lose most of the asian market. btw, what did you pay for that combo? seems great overall but a gtx260 is def a big weakspot in there.atleast compared to the rest
it was $1300 CAN with the monitor.
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The nvidia gtx 260 is hardly a weak spot. At the moment it can outperform the 5770 and tends to overpower it. That said, if there is a bottleneck on performance it will probably be the GPU (but then again, every game seems to be bottlenecked by GPUs...), maybe not because of the power of the GPU, but more because the i7 920 is an amazing core.
$1300 CAN for i7 + 260 + monitor? wtf
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yeah pretty damn cheap. gz on that
and the gtx 260 is a weak spot compared to the rest. a 9gb i7 system deserves a 285 or better a 58xx 
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On January 07 2010 10:30 FragKrag wrote:
The nvidia gtx 260 is hardly a weak spot. At the moment it can outperform the 5770 and tends to overpower it. That said, if there is a bottleneck on performance it will probably be the GPU (but then again, every game seems to be bottlenecked by GPUs...), maybe not because of the power of the GPU, but more because the i7 920 is an amazing core.
$1300 CAN for i7 + 260 + monitor? wtf
Did I get a good deal or a horrible one? I can't tell by your reaction haha. I bought it online during their "12 days of Christmas sale" or some shit like that. The monitor was bought separately at Best Buy.
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it is a great deal unless you got ripped off on a mobo or something. Sure the PSU is not good, but that is easily replaced for $80
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Eh Electronics in Canada cost more on avg i'd say 20% and sometimes 300% with some brands lol
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lol @ nerds arguing about 955/965 vs i5. Is this tomshardware or teamliquid?
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On January 07 2010 12:35 Drowsy wrote:
lol @ nerds argueing about 955/965 vs i5. Is this tomshardware or teamliquid?
Its obviously a thread about computers....
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On January 07 2010 12:36 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 12:35 Drowsy wrote:
lol @ nerds argueing about 955/965 vs i5. Is this tomshardware or teamliquid? Its obviously a thread about computers....
Well I know, but I just don't see why they have to be so virulent and aggressive about it.
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not to be rude or anything but i only listen to Ghermination when it comes to hardware
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On January 07 2010 10:38 FragKrag wrote:
it is a great deal unless you got ripped off on a mobo or something. Sure the PSU is not good, but that is easily replaced for $80
I don't really think it's that great of a deal. Unless you got a $500 monitor =\
For example, I'm fairly sure the same build would fall in ~$750 when building it yourself, but that amount of RAM might make it a bit more pricey.
Basically this leaves you like ~$500 on a monitor.
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On January 07 2010 14:13 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 10:38 FragKrag wrote:
it is a great deal unless you got ripped off on a mobo or something. Sure the PSU is not good, but that is easily replaced for $80 I don't really think it's that great of a deal. Unless you got a $500 monitor =\ For example, I'm fairly sure the same build would fall in ~$750 when building it yourself, but that amount of RAM might make it a bit more pricey. Basically this leaves you like ~$500 on a monitor.
the i7, gpu, mobo, and ram itself would cost around 750 USD
and we're talking about CAD
what the fuck are you talking about
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On January 07 2010 12:37 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 12:36 Saturnize wrote:On January 07 2010 12:35 Drowsy wrote:
lol @ nerds argueing about 955/965 vs i5. Is this tomshardware or teamliquid? Its obviously a thread about computers.... Well I know, but I just don't see why they have to be so virulent and aggressive about it.
It's because every person with an opinion about hardware instantly thinks they know everything (or inject their random opinions into their advice) when it comes to their particular sectors of hardware. Unfortunately the performance of hardware really means nothing to the average end user so a lot of the argument is a moot point. It's not like i'm not an asshole about things like this, but i would rather i get into a flamewar with some random guy then somebody accidentally fuck up a build/get unsatisfying performance due to getting bad advice.
Also, preliminary reviews of the i5 660 and 661 show it performing, un-overclocked, about 4-5% above the Athlon II 620 in CPU-based tests.
I think we'll find the the core i3's will be above the Athlon II processors at their selected price points due to HT, but they won't exactly be something magical. The Highest end dual core i5 (661) will probably be giving the x3 720 some decent competition. I think we're about to see some price drops.
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On January 07 2010 14:24 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 14:13 ghermination wrote:On January 07 2010 10:38 FragKrag wrote:
it is a great deal unless you got ripped off on a mobo or something. Sure the PSU is not good, but that is easily replaced for $80 I don't really think it's that great of a deal. Unless you got a $500 monitor =\ For example, I'm fairly sure the same build would fall in ~$750 when building it yourself, but that amount of RAM might make it a bit more pricey. Basically this leaves you like ~$500 on a monitor. the i7, gpu, mobo, and ram itself would cost around 750 USD and we're talking about CAD what the fuck are you talking about
While i wasn't taking into consideration CAD, you can build a better system w/ monitor on newegg.ca for 1300 CAD. I will post it in a minute, so please chill out.
Okay. So this is roughly the equivalent of the system he bought.
This system costs $1,124.44 The memory is of higher than OEM quality with heatsinks. Because of this, it probably costs about 10% more than the stuff in his rig. Not only that, but there is very little use for 9gb of RAM. Removing the extra 3gb would add room in the budget for a better video card. I don't know about the graphics card that he got, but this one may very well also be higher quality, and therefore more expensive. OEM motherboards are also notoriously crappy, so i imagined that that bargain basement $150 foxcon lga 1366 motherboard would effectively simulate the price of an oem board.
I didn't include the price of PSU or Case because they're negligible considering a 475w oem psu and a $10 aluminum case wouldn't really effect the price other than to be more confusing. The hard drive isn't in the screen shot because there wasn't enough room to show all the components. I believe it costed somewhere around (1tb 7200rpm) 130 CAD, which still would leave us within the budget of $1300 and with room to add a cheap case and psu, like i said before.
The monitor is a 24" 1920x1080. standard widescreen doohicky. You could probably find a better one for the price, it was just a random one i grabbed because it was fairly expensive ($249)
Not only that, but the system he was sold by Dell is also sold all over the world. There is no way that Dell worked out contracts using local parts all over the world, so they undoubtedly build their xps systems in the us. Taking this into considering, that would mean that they only payed at maximum 700 USD considering the OEM bonus they get. They make a big profit by giving you a (rather high performance for commercial, admittedly) but still really marked-up system, and also by shovelling tons of bloatware on there.
This seemed way shorter when i was typing it.
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Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
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On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote:
Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
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On January 08 2010 00:55 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote:
Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget. Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it  . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
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