On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote: Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
There is no excuse for not building your system. It takes me at the most 1.5 hours to put together a system from the ground up, and the very first time i did it it only took about 2. Also, it's extremely easy, pretty much like k'nex (did you ever play with those? The things that were basically like little magnetic legos...) and there is nobody in the world who couldn't figure out how to do it. There's pretty much a million tutorials and it's all insert tab A into slot B stuff.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it .
The P2370 is one of the best TN
Also build your own as Ghermination said. Nowadays It is EASY, even if you know nothing about comps. It was quite long and lame in the 90's but even mentally challenged people can do it now.
Well, some custom makers offer relatively competitive prices, though major brands are largely annoying since the amount of room left for you to tweak with is nigh minimal. That said, there are [plenty of] people who just find it a hassle to build one themselves. Let's face it, other than the relatively higher up mainstream crowd, fwq would want to deal with actually building a comp themselves. The actual difficulty of the work doesn't matter, you just don't really want to bother.
Well I don't have any direct experience with the Z-Board but I remember it seeming really cheesy. Though, that was then and this is now, and that SCII board has "macro group" buttons labeled "Terran, Protoss, Zerg". Don't know what those might do, but it could be pretty useful.
On January 09 2010 01:49 Ecael wrote: Well, some custom makers offer relatively competitive prices, though major brands are largely annoying since the amount of room left for you to tweak with is nigh minimal. That said, there are [plenty of] people who just find it a hassle to build one themselves. Let's face it, other than the relatively higher up mainstream crowd, fwq would want to deal with actually building a comp themselves. The actual difficulty of the work doesn't matter, you just don't really want to bother.
Yes this is true. I think the general norm of home users ignore the option of building their own system (like me ) just because of the extra time it'd take, regardless of it being easy or not. Even if it may be significantly much cheaper than a manufactured one from a renowned brand, time is still money. Also, the system I bought allows me to upgrade parts in the future if need be, which I probably will, but not anytime soon. However I don't think my system is crossfire/sli ready but I'm not too concerned about that.
OFFTOPIC: Looks like we're getting some first glimpses of nVidia's upcoming new video card performance:
On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote: Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
There is no excuse for not building your system. It takes me at the most 1.5 hours to put together a system from the ground up, and the very first time i did it it only took about 2. Also, it's extremely easy, pretty much like k'nex (did you ever play with those? The things that were basically like little magnetic legos...) and there is nobody in the world who couldn't figure out how to do it. There's pretty much a million tutorials and it's all insert tab A into slot B stuff.
agreed with this, I just finished building my computer (posting on it right now) it really isn't that hard
On January 09 2010 01:49 Ecael wrote: Well, some custom makers offer relatively competitive prices, though major brands are largely annoying since the amount of room left for you to tweak with is nigh minimal. That said, there are [plenty of] people who just find it a hassle to build one themselves. Let's face it, other than the relatively higher up mainstream crowd, fwq would want to deal with actually building a comp themselves. The actual difficulty of the work doesn't matter, you just don't really want to bother.
Yes this is true. I think the general norm of home users ignore the option of building their own system (like me ) just because of the extra time it'd take, regardless of it being easy or not. Even if it may be significantly much cheaper than a manufactured one from a renowned brand, time is still money. Also, the system I bought allows me to upgrade parts in the future if need be, which I probably will, but not anytime soon. However I don't think my system is crossfire/sli ready but I'm not too concerned about that.
On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote: Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
There is no excuse for not building your system. It takes me at the most 1.5 hours to put together a system from the ground up, and the very first time i did it it only took about 2. Also, it's extremely easy, pretty much like k'nex (did you ever play with those? The things that were basically like little magnetic legos...) and there is nobody in the world who couldn't figure out how to do it. There's pretty much a million tutorials and it's all insert tab A into slot B stuff.
agreed with this, I just finished building my computer (posting on it right now) it really isn't that hard
It is still a hassle, and that's enough of a reason to some, or rather, a lot of people, to not bother.
If you don't have access to an OS, some of the advantage kind of goes down the drain when comparing against companies that offer custom prebuilts like iBuyPower and CyberPowerPC (which I believe are essentially the same company). Windows 7 Home will drain $100 for nonstudents and a bit less for students :/
On January 09 2010 01:49 Ecael wrote: Well, some custom makers offer relatively competitive prices, though major brands are largely annoying since the amount of room left for you to tweak with is nigh minimal. That said, there are [plenty of] people who just find it a hassle to build one themselves. Let's face it, other than the relatively higher up mainstream crowd, fwq would want to deal with actually building a comp themselves. The actual difficulty of the work doesn't matter, you just don't really want to bother.
Yes this is true. I think the general norm of home users ignore the option of building their own system (like me ) just because of the extra time it'd take, regardless of it being easy or not. Even if it may be significantly much cheaper than a manufactured one from a renowned brand, time is still money. Also, the system I bought allows me to upgrade parts in the future if need be, which I probably will, but not anytime soon. However I don't think my system is crossfire/sli ready but I'm not too concerned about that.
On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote: Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
There is no excuse for not building your system. It takes me at the most 1.5 hours to put together a system from the ground up, and the very first time i did it it only took about 2. Also, it's extremely easy, pretty much like k'nex (did you ever play with those? The things that were basically like little magnetic legos...) and there is nobody in the world who couldn't figure out how to do it. There's pretty much a million tutorials and it's all insert tab A into slot B stuff.
agreed with this, I just finished building my computer (posting on it right now) it really isn't that hard
It is still a hassle, and that's enough of a reason to some, or rather, a lot of people, to not bother.
I suppose, although I thought of it as a fun exercise, doing all of the research, buying the parts, putting it together. It's pretty rewarding when you hit the power button and the thing runs
Next step is doing research into over clocking and finishing my research into video cards.
On January 09 2010 08:31 FragKrag wrote: If you don't have access to an OS, some of the advantage kind of goes down the drain when comparing against companies that offer custom prebuilts like iBuyPower and CyberPowerPC (which I believe are essentially the same company). Windows 7 Home will drain $100 for nonstudents and a bit less for students :/
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On January 09 2010 01:49 Ecael wrote: Well, some custom makers offer relatively competitive prices, though major brands are largely annoying since the amount of room left for you to tweak with is nigh minimal. That said, there are [plenty of] people who just find it a hassle to build one themselves. Let's face it, other than the relatively higher up mainstream crowd, fwq would want to deal with actually building a comp themselves. The actual difficulty of the work doesn't matter, you just don't really want to bother.
Yes this is true. I think the general norm of home users ignore the option of building their own system (like me ) just because of the extra time it'd take, regardless of it being easy or not. Even if it may be significantly much cheaper than a manufactured one from a renowned brand, time is still money. Also, the system I bought allows me to upgrade parts in the future if need be, which I probably will, but not anytime soon. However I don't think my system is crossfire/sli ready but I'm not too concerned about that.
X58 has innate xfire support, the question kind of comes down to the Dell bios, which is the biggest pain.
As for Fermi, rumors of its temperature is pretty scary.
On January 09 2010 07:53 KOFgokuon wrote:
On January 09 2010 00:51 ghermination wrote:
On January 08 2010 04:02 hkfosho wrote:
On January 08 2010 00:55 ghermination wrote:
On January 07 2010 15:15 FragKrag wrote: Oh I expected you to build a better computer for him, not an equivalent.
I also expected it to be under 750 USD. It doesn't seem like your computer meets those requirements. You also neglected to add an OS, which would come with the Dell computer.
edit: 9gb of RAM + 260 GTX is approximately equal to the cost of 6gb of RAM + 5850, and at the moment, it is impossible (off of newegg) to build a computer with a decent reliable motherboard, case, cpu for under 1.2k
Well TBH i don't know how big of a monitor he got. If i did i could add an OS and a hard drive (i'm assuming the OS was probably w7 home premium/pro). I could also configure a better system with the same price i'm sure, although it probably wouldn't be an i7 system. The way the computer is layed out is just inefficient,(I mean, 9gb of ddr3 RAM in 6 dimms isn't going to create any speed increase) and as you said, with 6gb something like a 5850 would probably be within reach of the budget.
Another thing is that, like i said, if Dell assembles their computers in the US and then ships them everywhere, they would save a lot of money on components and get a lot of discounts, and therefore their version of this would be cheaper and using crappier oem parts.
The monitor is called p2370 by samsung, a 23 inch monitor with 1080p. It's not the best monitor but it's slick and sexy so I bought it . The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
I would never custom build my computers just because I don't have the time for it and I'm pretty much a retard when it comes to computer parts and all that stuff. The system's been causing no trouble at all so far, but I do want to warn you guys of how horrible the service is over at Dell atm. People are having to wait a month minimum to even over 2 months to get ahold of their systems due to their limited amount of parts. Their customer service is horrible as well as you'll likely be forwarded to a guy named "Taj" over at India who knows nothing about your order. Luckily for me, I got my system in just 2 weeks.
The 9gb was pretty much a free giveaway during the sales promotion. The system was originally 8gb (still overdoing it considering I just watch videos and play games).
There is no excuse for not building your system. It takes me at the most 1.5 hours to put together a system from the ground up, and the very first time i did it it only took about 2. Also, it's extremely easy, pretty much like k'nex (did you ever play with those? The things that were basically like little magnetic legos...) and there is nobody in the world who couldn't figure out how to do it. There's pretty much a million tutorials and it's all insert tab A into slot B stuff.
agreed with this, I just finished building my computer (posting on it right now) it really isn't that hard
It is still a hassle, and that's enough of a reason to some, or rather, a lot of people, to not bother.
I suppose, although I thought of it as a fun exercise, doing all of the research, buying the parts, putting it together. It's pretty rewarding when you hit the power button and the thing runs
Next step is doing research into over clocking and finishing my research into video cards.
Yeah, same here. When I did the research over the summer on how to do all these, how to OC and all, it was very enjoyable. But don't expect everyone to want to do this. Building a computer definitely has gotten easier over the years, but it still isn't something that has anything close to universal appeal, even in a community of gamers like TL.
About OS, I am of the same view as FragKrag, that $100 definitely should count if we were to do any kind of reasonable comparison. Even if we disregard the morality of piracy, it just doesn't make sense to make cost comparisons between OEMs and DIY without taking into account a legit OS.
As for how nerdy this is, I leave it to others less involved to judge. I don't think this is too bad
Yeah having a copy of windows that hasn't been activated 100 times is so convenient cuz i was getting a bit tired of calling India to active my XP then update it then have to call again to India cuz xp wants to validate again. lol but that xp sucked it was SP1 and upgrade so i had to install 2000 first lol then upgrade to xp lawl. Student discount is nice.
EPT
. The OS is w7 home premium 64 bit.
