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Drowsy
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FragKrag
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On January 05 2010 10:57 FragKrag wrote: Drowsy if you are going to want to save money, buying nvidia cards at launch is the worst thing you can possibly do to your wallet. I doubt nvidia's cards will perform better except at the highest scale so nvidia can brag about having the most powerful graphics card. I have no intention of buying a nvidia dx11 card unless the benchmarks warrant it, but I think regardless of how they perform, as long as they're close with the ati cards, it should result in a decline in the prices of the ati dx11 cards that are already out. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 05 2010 11:10 Drowsy wrote: I have no intention of buying a nvidia dx11 card unless the benchmarks warrant it, but I think regardless of how they perform, as long as they're close with the ati cards, it should result in a decline in the prices of the ati dx11 cards that are already out. Problem is that they are delayed because they are not close with the Ati cards yet so you will have to wait more :p | ||
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FragKrag
United States11540 Posts
edit: Actually I haven't checked the prices recently (like last month) so I'm not sure if that statement is true. | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
If you can throw out a couple bills and can't wait to get ahold of a new graphics card, I suggest you purchase ATI 4890 from newegg or something. I've heard lots of good reviews of that card, certainly outperforming gtx 260 overclocked cards and even the 275 dare I say. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 05 2010 11:45 hkfosho wrote: We're not being nVidia fanboys here. We're just stating the inevitable - that nVidia will eventually outperform ATI's dx11 cards. I'm sure nVidia messed up some of the models of the 200 series, thus causing them to delay their "300 series" cards. I mean seriously, they had 4 different types of gtx 260 cards. Four. Along with them came the 275, 285, and finally to their current leading card, 295. If you can throw out a couple bills and can't wait to get ahold of a new graphics card, I suggest you purchase ATI 4890 from newegg or something. I've heard lots of good reviews of that card, certainly outperforming gtx 260 overclocked cards and even the 275 dare I say. The 4890 has about the same FLOPS of a gtx285, but it gets raped by that 512-bit memory bus and shader power. | ||
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FragKrag
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semantics
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You forget Nvidia is worth about the same as AMD because they have better oem deals low cost igp and discrete cards is were they make the most money, which is why nvidia is tring to push into the hptc market as they are entrenched with intel in legal matters over chipsets and igp and they got pushed out of the amd market after ati was acquired by them. FLOPS in any matter is a matter shit in gaming performance lol really it only matters for what cuda is used for hptc | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 05 2010 11:45 hkfosho wrote: We're not being nVidia fanboys here. We're just stating the inevitable - that nVidia will eventually outperform ATI's dx11 cards. Maybe it will outperform THIS generation but 6+ months later lol Then ATI will release a new generation and Nvidia will be behind again. On January 05 2010 11:45 hkfosho wrote: I'm sure nVidia messed up some of the models of the 200 series, thus causing them to delay their "300 series" cards. I mean seriously, they had 4 different types of gtx 260 cards. Four. Along with them came the 275, 285, and finally to their current leading card, 295. When you can't release new cards just rename the old ones. It will always fool stupid people and make the fan boys happy. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 05 2010 13:29 FragKrag wrote: 512 bit memory bus would be useless for the 4890 no? It's just one gpu while the 285 has 2 gpus. The 285 has one GPU. You're thinking of the 295. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
1. get a cheap 4870 and wait till the market is ok again. <- best solution 2. get a cheap 5770 and wait longer till you upgrade but suffer from not enough performance to use the features of the 5xxx generation <- best solution if you can resell the card for a decent price 3. buy a totally WTFAREUKIDDINGME overpriced 5870 and be happy for now .but they cost up to 400€!!!! here(for you americans, ~ 600$+) cause no one has one for sale but i will stay with my old gt140 (9600gt) which runs pretty much evrything fine (@4gbram + phenom 955,overclocked) at 1680x1050 if you dont go nuts with the AA&AF .and even then only crysis/farcry2 have serious framedrops. other games like batman or assassins creed which imho look just as good/better run perfect even on the absolute max settings. and in 6-9 months when the new generation is at a reasonable price i will upgrade to whatever has the best bang for the buck. atm there is just no reason to buy any nvidia card right now. they are all overpriced like hell for the performance they bring. the funny thing is this wont change most likely. you can bet that the new 3xx series will be expensive as hell. even moreso considering that they plan to let the same company produce their 40 chips that currently has the huge problems producing enough for ati. so if they dont improve A SHIT TON the 3xx release will be funny. they cant produce enough chips right now for ati, so how do they plan to produce enough for nvidia 3xx series + ati 5xxx series in 2 months? time will tell. yes the gfxcard market is really fun atm ^_^v | ||
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semantics
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the 5800 is pretty sad, they missed the mm² die size by a lot, the 5850/5870 was supposed to be $199/$299 just like the 4850/4870. The 4800 had 800 shaders vs 320 in the 3800. They didn't even double the die size. 3800 -> 4800 = 55nm -> 55nm 4800 -> 5800 = 55nm -> 40nm They put 1600 SP's in there, but the die size more than doubled! I'll give them 30% of the die size for tessellators/DX11 hardware (the 4800/3800 had a tessellator too) but that's still the 89% they gained from moving fab process. The 4870 killed the 3870X2 more than the 5870 did to the 4870X2. Currently the market is all fed up in prices as ATI cards are some of the cheapest to produce yet ati charging high prices due to short supply. ATI fanboys don't realise that they are just as money hungry as Nvidia, only diff is that nvidia uses a higher memory bus and been stuck at a larger die size for longer so their high end cards cost more then what ati would pay for similar performance. But i don't see anything too wrong with ATI price gouging AMD is one poor mofo company even after pay offs by intel i think they are still in debt from what 4 years back now? Personally i'd wait for nvidia to enter the dx11 market before i would even consider buying a card at least just to push pricing down. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On January 06 2010 10:04 Virtue wrote: ATI is overraited by it's fanboys it made a decient product but pretty much failed to deliver just like how fermi is turning out the 5800 is pretty sad, they missed the mm² die size by a lot, the 5850/5870 was supposed to be $199/$299 just like the 4850/4870. The 4800 had 800 shaders vs 320 in the 3800. They didn't even double the die size. 3800 -> 4800 = 55nm -> 55nm 4800 -> 5800 = 55nm -> 40nm They put 1600 SP's in there, but the die size more than doubled! I'll give them 30% of the die size for tessellators/DX11 hardware (the 4800/3800 had a tessellator too) but that's still the 89% they gained from moving fab process. The 4870 killed the 3870X2 more than the 5870 did to the 4870X2. Currently the market is all fed up in prices as ATI cards are some of the cheapest to produce yet ati charging high prices due to short supply. ATI fanboys don't realise that they are just as money hungry as Nvidia, only diff is that nvidia uses a higher memory bus and been stuck at a larger die size for longer so their high end cards cost more then what ati would pay for similar performance. But i don't see anything too wrong with ATI price gouging AMD is one poor mofo company even after pay offs by intel i think they are still in debt from what 4 years back now? Personally i'd wait for nvidia to enter the dx11 market before i would even consider buying a card at least just to push pricing down. ati isnt responsible for the price. its the shops that sell them. and fanboy crap at hardware is retarded beyond belief in either way anyways. evrytime i see someone post something like " ati/nvidia/intel/amd 4life!!!!!111eleven fuck ati/nvidia/intel/amd they suck !!!111one" i want to kick their retarded head off just for darwin reasons. and yeah, they both are failing hard with their production and development.thats why evryone who can should wait atleast 3-6 months before considering any "nextgen" cards. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
So i dedicate my 2000'th post to you. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11540 Posts
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semantics
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Rigodon666
Canada183 Posts
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semantics
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On January 06 2010 13:06 Rigodon666 wrote: Just wait until 3dFx comes back and take the crown with the voodoo 8 -_-. nVidia and ATI stole it from them years ago .lol with their old skool sli that renders every other line! 3dfx is part of nvidia now they bought them out after their voodoo 4 and 5 just bombed it's why nvidia has the rights to SLI | ||
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ghermination
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