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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
5770<260<4870 5770 is the worst performer out of all of them and is not a good buy if you plan to run xp for the next 2 year or something like that. Granted the good value for performance of ATI line up is the 5770 and the 5850 The 5750 is just shitty price for performance and the 5870 gains over the 5850 do not justify the cost but as a high end product price/performance raito is not usually the buyers concern. | ||
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
On December 31 2009 16:24 Drowsy wrote: It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2. I know that the prices went up these cards due to the high demand. What I'm complaining about is the huge price differential between US and Canadian prices on this stuff given the near equal value of the dollar. $339.99 USD vs. $409.99 CAD for the exact same card is kind of over the top. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On December 31 2009 17:24 Virtue wrote: 5770 vs 4870 vs 260(216) 5770<260<4870 5770 is the worst performer out of all of them and is not a good buy if you plan to run xp for the next 2 year or something like that. Granted the good value for performance of ATI line up is the 5770 and the 5850 The 5750 is just shitty price for performance and the 5870 gains over the 5850 do not justify the cost but as a high end product price/performance raito is not usually the buyers concern. considering the current prices of the 260 and 4870 i'd say the 5770 is a great buy! | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On December 31 2009 18:07 mahnini wrote: considering the current prices of the 260 and 4870 i'd say the 5770 is a great buy! Also you can no longer find the cheap 4870's because the sellers (XFX and powercolor mostly) are now out of stock of them and i doubt they'll get anymore. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
1.25gb of ram (ouch) nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK) 250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL) onboard 80gb harddrive. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?). Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison). | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote: 2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH) 1.25gb of ram (ouch) nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK) 250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL) onboard 80gb harddrive. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?). Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison). 500 and $800 are completely different price points. Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for. In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive) You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something. In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better. This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a) | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On December 31 2009 19:23 ghermination wrote: 500 and $800 are completely different price points. Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for. In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive) You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something. In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better. This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a) Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though. I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153114&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL123109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL123109-_-PowerSupplies-_-LM2A-_-17153114 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161301&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL123109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL123109-_-VideoCards-_-LM2A-_-14161301 I'm not sure how to judge PSUs, but if you just want to run a single card rig, it should be more than adequate. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
On December 31 2009 19:35 Romance_us wrote: Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though. I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005. if you have a socket 775 i would actually consider picking up a q9550 if you can get one at microcenter ($~169) it should hold you over pretty well for the next year or two instead of spending $300+ for a possible dead end socket (1156/1366). the core2 line isnt really that far behind the core i7 in terms of gaming and is pretty competitive clock for clock. considering that many people are able to OC their q9550 to 3.2ghz+ it should be plenty for now. there's a reason why intel jacked up the retail price of the q9550 from $215 to $250 :D | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
The 1366 still has potential for higher growth though, so it seems like the most reasonable choice. Though yes, the core 2 quads aren't bad at all. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On December 31 2009 19:35 Romance_us wrote: Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though. I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005. The more money is obviously better. Unfortunately you won't be able to max out Crysis without crossfire 5870's though. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On January 02 2010 07:23 mahnini wrote: if you have a socket 775 i would actually consider picking up a q9550 if you can get one at microcenter ($~169) it should hold you over pretty well for the next year or two instead of spending $300+ for a possible dead end socket (1156/1366). the core2 line isnt really that far behind the core i7 in terms of gaming and is pretty competitive clock for clock. considering that many people are able to OC their q9550 to 3.2ghz+ it should be plenty for now. there's a reason why intel jacked up the retail price of the q9550 from $215 to $250 :D At the same time, if you have a microcenter near by, they can have i5s for 150~160... | ||
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hkfosho
Canada213 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 04 2010 04:03 hkfosho wrote: i suggest you guys hold your pants since the fermi will be released by nvidia some time in the first quarter of this year. It'll be directx 11 ready for the future games of your like Fermi is a vaporhardware. Should be perfect to play Sc2 indeed. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
You want your motherboard to be as future proof as possible, but if you end up having to replace it in an upgrade, it usually isn't the end of the world. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
What does this actually mean? are there even any benchmarks out for nvidia's dx11 cards? They can tout it and promote it all they want, but just because they type it doesn't make it true. How do we know it will even outperform the ATI cards? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
vaporhardware is just the hardware equivalent. Knowing nVidia, they probably will have one card that shines above the ATi line whereas the rest fall equivalent/below ATi. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On January 04 2010 09:55 FragKrag wrote: vaporware is like duke nukem forever vaporhardware is just the hardware equivalent. Knowing nVidia, they probably will have one card that shines above the ATi line whereas the rest fall equivalent/below ATi. Do you have the major manufacturers mixed up? nVidia has always had better performance while ATi had better $ to fps, and often outsold nVidia's mid-range graphics cards. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On January 04 2010 20:26 ghermination wrote: Do you have the major manufacturers mixed up? nVidia has always had better performance while ATi had better $ to fps, and often outsold nVidia's mid-range graphics cards. The wheel of Fortune is turning. Nowdays ATI is better for both. I think it will be easier for Nvidia to release some sort of crazy and costly monster bi-Gpu better than the 5970 and then use it like a sale promotion advertising ( " Most powerful GPU in the world, made by Nvidia blablabla .... ) than to beat ATI $/performance on the whole product range. All the ultra rich geeks will buy it, the Nvidia fanboys will fap over it ( " I TOLD U FERMI OWNS ATI ezzzz" ) and the guys who know nothing about comp will be fooled by advertising too. Intel was pretty good at that too during the P4 era. Brand name power, fanboys, huge freqs can make for shitty procs ( and anti-competitive practices LOL ). | ||
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