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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 31 2009 08:00 GMT
#1161
5970 in Xfire will destroy that candle ;p
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 31 2009 08:24 GMT
#1162
5770 vs 4870 vs 260(216)
5770<260<4870
5770 is the worst performer out of all of them and is not a good buy if you plan to run xp for the next 2 year or something like that.

Granted the good value for performance of ATI line up is the 5770 and the 5850
The 5750 is just shitty price for performance and the 5870 gains over the 5850 do not justify the cost but as a high end product price/performance raito is not usually the buyers concern.
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
December 31 2009 08:54 GMT
#1163
On December 31 2009 16:24 Drowsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 14:27 muramasa wrote:
I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me.

I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price.

Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all.



It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2.

I know that the prices went up these cards due to the high demand. What I'm complaining about is the huge price differential between US and Canadian prices on this stuff given the near equal value of the dollar.

$339.99 USD vs. $409.99 CAD for the exact same card is kind of over the top.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
December 31 2009 09:07 GMT
#1164
On December 31 2009 17:24 Virtue wrote:
5770 vs 4870 vs 260(216)
5770<260<4870
5770 is the worst performer out of all of them and is not a good buy if you plan to run xp for the next 2 year or something like that.

Granted the good value for performance of ATI line up is the 5770 and the 5850
The 5750 is just shitty price for performance and the 5870 gains over the 5850 do not justify the cost but as a high end product price/performance raito is not usually the buyers concern.

considering the current prices of the 260 and 4870 i'd say the 5770 is a great buy!
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 31 2009 09:25 GMT
#1165
On December 31 2009 18:07 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 17:24 Virtue wrote:
5770 vs 4870 vs 260(216)
5770<260<4870
5770 is the worst performer out of all of them and is not a good buy if you plan to run xp for the next 2 year or something like that.

Granted the good value for performance of ATI line up is the 5770 and the 5850
The 5750 is just shitty price for performance and the 5870 gains over the 5850 do not justify the cost but as a high end product price/performance raito is not usually the buyers concern.

considering the current prices of the 260 and 4870 i'd say the 5770 is a great buy!


Also you can no longer find the cheap 4870's because the sellers (XFX and powercolor mostly) are now out of stock of them and i doubt they'll get anymore.
U Gotta Skate.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
December 31 2009 10:14 GMT
#1166
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 10:26:47
December 31 2009 10:23 GMT
#1167
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote:
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).


500 and $800 are completely different price points.
Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for.

In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive)

You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something.

In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better.

This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a)
U Gotta Skate.
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 10:55:18
December 31 2009 10:35 GMT
#1168
On December 31 2009 19:23 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote:
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).


500 and $800 are completely different price points.
Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for.

In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive)

You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something.

In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better.

This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a)


Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though.

I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
January 01 2010 21:58 GMT
#1169
If anyone wants to take advantage of it, Newegg is currently packaging a 600W Thermaltake PSU with a HIS 5870 for $430.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153114&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL123109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL123109-_-PowerSupplies-_-LM2A-_-17153114
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161301&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL123109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL123109-_-VideoCards-_-LM2A-_-14161301

I'm not sure how to judge PSUs, but if you just want to run a single card rig, it should be more than adequate.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-01 22:26:08
January 01 2010 22:23 GMT
#1170
On December 31 2009 19:35 Romance_us wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 19:23 ghermination wrote:
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote:
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).


500 and $800 are completely different price points.
Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for.

In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive)

You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something.

In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better.

This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a)


Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though.

I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005.

if you have a socket 775 i would actually consider picking up a q9550 if you can get one at microcenter ($~169) it should hold you over pretty well for the next year or two instead of spending $300+ for a possible dead end socket (1156/1366). the core2 line isnt really that far behind the core i7 in terms of gaming and is pretty competitive clock for clock. considering that many people are able to OC their q9550 to 3.2ghz+ it should be plenty for now.

there's a reason why intel jacked up the retail price of the q9550 from $215 to $250 :D
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
January 02 2010 08:03 GMT
#1171
Well by buying a LGA 775 you are buying a dead end socket :/

The 1366 still has potential for higher growth though, so it seems like the most reasonable choice. Though yes, the core 2 quads aren't bad at all.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
January 02 2010 08:14 GMT
#1172
On December 31 2009 19:35 Romance_us wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 19:23 ghermination wrote:
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote:
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).


500 and $800 are completely different price points.
Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for.

In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive)

You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something.

In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better.

This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a)


Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though.

I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005.


The more money is obviously better. Unfortunately you won't be able to max out Crysis without crossfire 5870's though.
U Gotta Skate.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 02 2010 16:03 GMT
#1173
On January 02 2010 07:23 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 19:35 Romance_us wrote:
On December 31 2009 19:23 ghermination wrote:
On December 31 2009 19:14 Romance_us wrote:
2.4ghz celeron (OUCCHHH)
1.25gb of ram (ouch)
nVIDIA 8400GS (one of the better PCI cards I could find, I'm on a dell dimension 3000 mobo and they SUCKKK)
250w power supply (yes, the 8400 is a 300w card, LOL)
onboard 80gb harddrive.


NEEDLESS TO SAY, I am currently looking right now to build a budget/semi-budget computer (500-800). Any suggestions would be awesome. I'm particularly unsure about the mobo/cooling system/cpu I should get. I know the video card capabilities because before I realized I didn't even have a PCI-e slot, I read up on all the newer PCI-e cards. I'd probably get a 9800GT (?).

Anyways, again, recommendations/suggestions would be much appreciated. I'm blown away by almost all of you guy's systems (you can see why I would be in comparison).


500 and $800 are completely different price points.
Although i don't know what you can get where you live, i'll give you an idea of what you should be looking for.

In the $500 range, i recommend a LGA775 processor (Core 2 Quad, like the Q9400 etc, or Core 2 Duo (e7400 = cheap, e8400 = teh uberl33t g4em1n!1), 4gb of ddr2-800 or 1066, and a high-midrange video card, something like a 4870, 5770, GTX 260, or, moving up, a 4890 or 5850 (expensive)

You'll probably need a ~600 watt power supply. Unless you get an uber videocard or something.

In the $800 range, i recommend an LGA 1156 processor (which means i5-750...), a Megahalem cpu cooler, 4gb of dual-channel ddr3-1333 or so, and something like a 4890 or better.

This will probably take a 700 watt power supply or higher, but you could get by with like 650 if it has good amperage on the +12v rail (>40a)


Well I am most certainly willing to spend $800. I think the real question I need to ask is, is the difference between the $500 and the $800 system large enough to where I shouldn't even hesitate to go for the latter? You implied the i5-750 would be very preferable to the Q9400. I want a system that will run anything at high settings, including hopefully up to 2011/2012 games. I know how fast the game engines are progressing now though.

I didn't specify this, but this is PRIMARILY for playing games. I never looked into upgrading my rig but I've been getting into single player FPS games lately and I want something that can run them all. It's frustrating having something like Alpha Prime or Half-Life 2 be the cutoff. I can run those both at medium-high settings but literally any engine more advanced than CryEngine (1) or Source eats me for breakfast. Basically anything post 2005.

if you have a socket 775 i would actually consider picking up a q9550 if you can get one at microcenter ($~169) it should hold you over pretty well for the next year or two instead of spending $300+ for a possible dead end socket (1156/1366). the core2 line isnt really that far behind the core i7 in terms of gaming and is pretty competitive clock for clock. considering that many people are able to OC their q9550 to 3.2ghz+ it should be plenty for now.

there's a reason why intel jacked up the retail price of the q9550 from $215 to $250 :D

At the same time, if you have a microcenter near by, they can have i5s for 150~160...
hkfosho
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada213 Posts
January 03 2010 19:03 GMT
#1174
i suggest you guys hold your pants since the fermi will be released by nvidia some time in the first quarter of this year. It'll be directx 11 ready for the future games of your like
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
January 03 2010 19:13 GMT
#1175
On January 04 2010 04:03 hkfosho wrote:
i suggest you guys hold your pants since the fermi will be released by nvidia some time in the first quarter of this year. It'll be directx 11 ready for the future games of your like

Fermi is a vaporhardware.
Should be perfect to play Sc2 indeed.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
January 03 2010 19:15 GMT
#1176
The worry behind buying a dead end socket puzzles me. Usually when you are doing a major enough upgrade to warrant a new CPU, you're going to be replacing the motherboard anyway. Whatever socket you pick, the chances that you're going to be able to reap substantial performance benefits from simply a higher end CPU in the same line is slim.

You want your motherboard to be as future proof as possible, but if you end up having to replace it in an upgrade, it usually isn't the end of the world.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
January 04 2010 00:46 GMT
#1177
On January 04 2010 04:13 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 04:03 hkfosho wrote:
i suggest you guys hold your pants since the fermi will be released by nvidia some time in the first quarter of this year. It'll be directx 11 ready for the future games of your like

Fermi is a vaporhardware.



What does this actually mean? are there even any benchmarks out for nvidia's dx11 cards? They can tout it and promote it all they want, but just because they type it doesn't make it true. How do we know it will even outperform the ATI cards?
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
January 04 2010 00:55 GMT
#1178
vaporware is like duke nukem forever

vaporhardware is just the hardware equivalent.

Knowing nVidia, they probably will have one card that shines above the ATi line whereas the rest fall equivalent/below ATi.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
January 04 2010 11:26 GMT
#1179
On January 04 2010 09:55 FragKrag wrote:
vaporware is like duke nukem forever

vaporhardware is just the hardware equivalent.

Knowing nVidia, they probably will have one card that shines above the ATi line whereas the rest fall equivalent/below ATi.


Do you have the major manufacturers mixed up? nVidia has always had better performance while ATi had better $ to fps, and often outsold nVidia's mid-range graphics cards.

U Gotta Skate.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-04 20:24:14
January 04 2010 13:21 GMT
#1180
On January 04 2010 20:26 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2010 09:55 FragKrag wrote:
vaporware is like duke nukem forever

vaporhardware is just the hardware equivalent.

Knowing nVidia, they probably will have one card that shines above the ATi line whereas the rest fall equivalent/below ATi.


Do you have the major manufacturers mixed up? nVidia has always had better performance while ATi had better $ to fps, and often outsold nVidia's mid-range graphics cards.


The wheel of Fortune is turning. Nowdays ATI is better for both.
I think it will be easier for Nvidia to release some sort of crazy and costly monster bi-Gpu better than the 5970 and then use it like a sale promotion advertising ( " Most powerful GPU in the world, made by Nvidia blablabla .... ) than to beat ATI $/performance on the whole product range.
All the ultra rich geeks will buy it, the Nvidia fanboys will fap over it ( " I TOLD U FERMI OWNS ATI ezzzz" ) and the guys who know nothing about comp will be fooled by advertising too.

Intel was pretty good at that too during the P4 era. Brand name power, fanboys, huge freqs can make for shitty procs ( and anti-competitive practices LOL ).
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
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