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ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 27 2009 05:42 GMT
#1141
On December 27 2009 13:30 FragKrag wrote:
If it's the 9500 GS then yes, it would be superior to the 210, but if Dell doesn't specify, it is probably a 9500M G which is inferior


No. The 9500m G is the same as the g96 GPU, andhas 32 stream processors (48 in the case of the gt220). The 9400, also g96, has 16 stream processors (18 in the case of the gt210). The 210 described in that article is listed as having 16 stream processors
U Gotta Skate.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 27 2009 05:47 GMT
#1142
too bad it doesn't hold up in benchmarks eh
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 27 2009 05:52 GMT
#1143
On December 27 2009 14:47 FragKrag wrote:
too bad it doesn't hold up in benchmarks eh


Laptop graphics cards perform so badly it's almost stupid. I know companies could squeeze more performance out of them but they don't even try, because they're enjoying the high OEM fee they get from laptops considering they can't be customized. I mean, a graphics card has to run on something like 15 watts, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to perform as well as a standard graphics card running at 15 watts, which they don't.
U Gotta Skate.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 27 2009 05:56 GMT
#1144
I think Nvidia is notorious for making horribly weak laptop graphics when compared to desktop "equivalents" ie (9600M vs 9600). However, I think ATi just clocks the gpus a bit slower and then does a little bit of other stuff. Before I chose a laptop with the 4650 I did some research and it seemed like the gpu wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 27 2009 06:29 GMT
#1145
On December 27 2009 14:56 FragKrag wrote:
I think Nvidia is notorious for making horribly weak laptop graphics when compared to desktop "equivalents" ie (9600M vs 9600). However, I think ATi just clocks the gpus a bit slower and then does a little bit of other stuff. Before I chose a laptop with the 4650 I did some research and it seemed like the gpu wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!


And now i get the urge to clock one of my old 295's down to 15w total power draw (around 1/20th of normal) and see if it outperforms a laptop graphics card.
U Gotta Skate.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 27 2009 06:30 GMT
#1146
Isnt the best gpu for a laptop a 280?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
December 27 2009 07:15 GMT
#1147
For laptop cards yes the 280m is the best 1st build purpose gpu for laptops, but it hasn't stop some from making a pbc for the 4870 from ati and shoving that in sli on to "laptops"
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 08:30:27
December 27 2009 08:29 GMT
#1148
On December 27 2009 15:30 FragKrag wrote:
Isnt the best gpu for a laptop a 280?


nvm.
U Gotta Skate.
statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
December 29 2009 17:40 GMT
#1149
On December 27 2009 10:47 ghermination wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2009 06:28 FragKrag wrote:
On December 27 2009 00:31 statix wrote:
On December 26 2009 17:23 ghermination wrote:
On December 26 2009 13:25 FragKrag wrote:
On December 26 2009 09:18 statix wrote:
On December 20 2009 15:54 FragKrag wrote:
9400 will definitely be able to run the game.

Not sure what resolution, but it will work.

So should everything be good as is? If I needed to upgrade one thing which should it be in your opinion? thanks


Everything should be completely fine. I would upgrade the graphics card, but that's only because there is no room for improvement in any other department :p

however, I don't believe it is possible to upgrade a laptop gpu


It is possible to upgrade dedicated cards at a service center, and i'm sure there are some hardasses who know how to do it on their own, but the problem is that there is no where to buy a laptop gpu.



I was thinking about ordering the part from Dell and having it installed at Best Buy. There's also an IT guy where I work that may be able to install it.

According to the Dell website my laptop can upgrade to these:
NVIDIA® GeForce® 9500M - 256MB [add $110]
NVIDIA® GeForce® G210M – 512MB [add $135]

I'm guessing the G210M is the better buy.
Thanks for help Frag/gherm


They are both terrible cards, but yes the 210M is the better buy


Nonononononononon. The 210m is NOT THE BEST. It is the 45 nm rebrand on the 9400m. The 9500m has more SP and is faster.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-G-210M.17638.0.html


Hey thanks for the replay.

Im confused though. Unless I'm reading the charts wrong, doesn't the G210 outperform the 9500M pretty much across the board?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-G-210M.17638.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9500M-G.9451.0.html

It also says they both have 16 shaders.
SCC-Caliban
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 29 2009 18:57 GMT
#1150
yeah the 210 outperforms the 9500M G, not the GS.

However seeing as dell decided not to tell whether it is G or GS, it is probably G.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
December 29 2009 20:09 GMT
#1151
Pentium D 925
1GB PC2-4300
160GB SATA 300
Intel 946GZ256mb Embedded Graphics
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 29 2009 20:45 GMT
#1152
don't expect anything miraculous imo
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 23:04:30
December 29 2009 23:01 GMT
#1153
On December 30 2009 05:09 seanisgrand wrote:
Pentium D 925
1GB PC2-4300
160GB SATA 300
Intel 946GZ256mb Embedded Graphics


This will not play Starcraft 2. End of story. (Probably can't even play cnc3)
You probably need a new video card, which would most likely be AGP. If you're looking to get one, take a look at this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730&cm_re=3850_agp-_-14-102-730-_-Product
The AGP 3850 is the best AGP card that can be had.

Also you need a RAM upgrade. You have pc2-4200 ram, which is DDR2-533. Here's a link to a 2gb upgrade:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231018
U Gotta Skate.
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
December 30 2009 02:49 GMT
#1154
The board has a PCI-E x16 slot. I'll probably opt for a 9500 GT and the chipset supports up to DDR2 667mhz so I'll probably look into that.

Thanks for the suggestions.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 04:12:59
December 30 2009 02:52 GMT
#1155
On December 30 2009 11:49 seanisgrand wrote:
The board has a PCI-E x16 slot. I'll probably opt for a 9500 GT and the chipset supports up to DDR2 667mhz so I'll probably look into that.

Thanks for the suggestions.


I'm surprised about the PCI-E slot. I would actually recommend a Zotac gt220 over a 9500gt considering it has 50% more pixel pipelines and stream processors (48 as opposed to 32) and 128bit ddr3, for about the same price.
U Gotta Skate.
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
December 30 2009 05:48 GMT
#1156
By the time Sc2 comes out i will have saved up enough money to buy myself a new computer :D
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 05:35:22
December 31 2009 05:27 GMT
#1157
I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me.

I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price.

Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all.
Hong Jin Ho. Nevar forget.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
December 31 2009 05:50 GMT
#1158
the 5770 is a great buy anyways
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
December 31 2009 07:24 GMT
#1159
On December 31 2009 14:27 muramasa wrote:
I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me.

I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price.

Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all.



It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 31 2009 07:56 GMT
#1160
On December 31 2009 16:24 Drowsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 14:27 muramasa wrote:
I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me.

I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price.

Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all.



It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2.


Exactly. The 5770 is an amazing performer, considering it is as closely as possible equal to the 4870. The improved memory and clock speeds make up for the 128 bit bus. With a good overclock on it a 5770 can outperform a 4870 by 10-15% (from personal experience, it might be different on other systems, but i got a hold of one of these things on a loan from a friend and they're great, don't hold a candle to my 5870 xfire but what does?)
U Gotta Skate.
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