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On December 27 2009 13:30 FragKrag wrote:
If it's the 9500 GS then yes, it would be superior to the 210, but if Dell doesn't specify, it is probably a 9500M G which is inferior
No. The 9500m G is the same as the g96 GPU, andhas 32 stream processors (48 in the case of the gt220). The 9400, also g96, has 16 stream processors (18 in the case of the gt210). The 210 described in that article is listed as having 16 stream processors
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too bad it doesn't hold up in benchmarks eh
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On December 27 2009 14:47 FragKrag wrote:
too bad it doesn't hold up in benchmarks eh
Laptop graphics cards perform so badly it's almost stupid. I know companies could squeeze more performance out of them but they don't even try, because they're enjoying the high OEM fee they get from laptops considering they can't be customized. I mean, a graphics card has to run on something like 15 watts, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to perform as well as a standard graphics card running at 15 watts, which they don't.
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I think Nvidia is notorious for making horribly weak laptop graphics when compared to desktop "equivalents" ie (9600M vs 9600). However, I think ATi just clocks the gpus a bit slower and then does a little bit of other stuff. Before I chose a laptop with the 4650 I did some research and it seemed like the gpu wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!
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On December 27 2009 14:56 FragKrag wrote:
I think Nvidia is notorious for making horribly weak laptop graphics when compared to desktop "equivalents" ie (9600M vs 9600). However, I think ATi just clocks the gpus a bit slower and then does a little bit of other stuff. Before I chose a laptop with the 4650 I did some research and it seemed like the gpu wasn't as bad as I thought it would be!
And now i get the urge to clock one of my old 295's down to 15w total power draw (around 1/20th of normal) and see if it outperforms a laptop graphics card.
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Isnt the best gpu for a laptop a 280?
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For laptop cards yes the 280m is the best 1st build purpose gpu for laptops, but it hasn't stop some from making a pbc for the 4870 from ati and shoving that in sli on to "laptops"
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On December 27 2009 15:30 FragKrag wrote:
Isnt the best gpu for a laptop a 280?
nvm.
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On December 27 2009 10:47 ghermination wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2009 06:28 FragKrag wrote:On December 27 2009 00:31 statix wrote:On December 26 2009 17:23 ghermination wrote:On December 26 2009 13:25 FragKrag wrote:On December 26 2009 09:18 statix wrote:On December 20 2009 15:54 FragKrag wrote:
9400 will definitely be able to run the game.
Not sure what resolution, but it will work. So should everything be good as is? If I needed to upgrade one thing which should it be in your opinion? thanks Everything should be completely fine. I would upgrade the graphics card, but that's only because there is no room for improvement in any other department :p however, I don't believe it is possible to upgrade a laptop gpu It is possible to upgrade dedicated cards at a service center, and i'm sure there are some hardasses who know how to do it on their own, but the problem is that there is no where to buy a laptop gpu. I was thinking about ordering the part from Dell and having it installed at Best Buy. There's also an IT guy where I work that may be able to install it. According to the Dell website my laptop can upgrade to these: NVIDIA® GeForce® 9500M - 256MB [add $110] NVIDIA® GeForce® G210M – 512MB [add $135] I'm guessing the G210M is the better buy. Thanks for help Frag/gherm They are both terrible cards, but yes the 210M is the better buy Nonononononononon. The 210m is NOT THE BEST. It is the 45 nm rebrand on the 9400m. The 9500m has more SP and is faster. http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-G-210M.17638.0.html
Hey thanks for the replay.
Im confused though. Unless I'm reading the charts wrong, doesn't the G210 outperform the 9500M pretty much across the board?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-G-210M.17638.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9500M-G.9451.0.html
It also says they both have 16 shaders.
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yeah the 210 outperforms the 9500M G, not the GS.
However seeing as dell decided not to tell whether it is G or GS, it is probably G.
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Pentium D 925
1GB PC2-4300
160GB SATA 300
Intel 946GZ256mb Embedded Graphics
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don't expect anything miraculous imo
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The board has a PCI-E x16 slot. I'll probably opt for a 9500 GT and the chipset supports up to DDR2 667mhz so I'll probably look into that.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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On December 30 2009 11:49 seanisgrand wrote:
The board has a PCI-E x16 slot. I'll probably opt for a 9500 GT and the chipset supports up to DDR2 667mhz so I'll probably look into that.
Thanks for the suggestions.
I'm surprised about the PCI-E slot. I would actually recommend a Zotac gt220 over a 9500gt considering it has 50% more pixel pipelines and stream processors (48 as opposed to 32) and 128bit ddr3, for about the same price.
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By the time Sc2 comes out i will have saved up enough money to buy myself a new computer :D
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I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me.
I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price.
Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all. 
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the 5770 is a great buy anyways
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On December 31 2009 14:27 muramasa wrote:I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me. I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price. Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all.
It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2.
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On December 31 2009 16:24 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2009 14:27 muramasa wrote:I decided to pick up a 5770 because they were $20 off for Boxing Week. I just couldn't bring myself to spend so much money on the 5850. Everything is so much more expensive in Canada even though the dollar has been worth essentially the same thing for over a year now. I don't really know how international economics work, but it just doesn't seem right to me. I guess if performance isn't as good as I hoped I can always grab a second one. By the time SC2 is out they'll have come way down in price. Thanks to FragKrag and mahnini for their advice, even though I didn't follow it at all. It doesn't have much to do with international economics actually. The 5850 specifically had an MSRP of only 259, but since not enough cards were made they flew off the shelves and went out of stock very quickly so the prices rose to like 300-350. 2x 5770 outperformed the 5850 in tomshardware benchmarks. Even one will probably pwn the shit out of sc2.
Exactly. The 5770 is an amazing performer, considering it is as closely as possible equal to the 4870. The improved memory and clock speeds make up for the 128 bit bus. With a good overclock on it a 5770 can outperform a 4870 by 10-15% (from personal experience, it might be different on other systems, but i got a hold of one of these things on a loan from a friend and they're great, don't hold a candle to my 5870 xfire but what does?)
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