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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
(good price, and i'm not gonna be really advanced and OC + my small apartment room probably doesn't want a huge case for convenience issues) EDIT: all the GPU recommendations are pretty expensive o.O, my budget for GPU is like $100 ~ $150, maybe its a misunderstanding, but i searched up 5770, 5750, GTX 285, they're all 200+ | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On October 22 2009 15:52 ghermination wrote: My recommendation is to choose a more beefy power supply. Also Antec is incredibly overrated, considering the much better made Xclio windtunnel http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103011 has 500cm of fans pre installed! As for GPU, i recommend a 5850. GTX-285 performance for a little more than a GTX-275 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150442&cm_re=5850-_-14-150-442-_-Product Oh can you explain why I need a stronger psu? 550W should be sufficient? | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On October 23 2009 12:34 OmgIRok wrote: Oh can you explain why I need a stronger psu? 550W should be sufficient? You really shouldn't look at the overall wattage but rather the +12v rail(s). any good psu should have like +35w and up. Also because you said your budget as far as graphics cards go, you can always go with a 4870 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161294&cm_re=4870-_-14-161-294-_-Product) they overclock VERY well and if you get EVGA's voltmod utility and an unlocker patch, you can increase the volts and reach ~900mhz on the core. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On October 23 2009 12:48 Ecael wrote: I don't know where you are searching for 5750 and 70, but that definitely shouldn't be 200+, those two are only supposed to be marginally more expensive than 4870. A quick search on Newegg shows ~140 prices for the 5750 and ~160 for 5770, given that you won't be trying to overclock much, dx11 and a better power and noise profile sounds better than a slight performance boost. As for the GPU budget, what about my suggestion to go for a lower end CPU? An i5 is a really powerful solution, but even with cheaper mobos that will dial up to ~$300. If you don't do work in the particular area, it is just as viable to get a less powerful CPU and shift that toward a better graphics card, especially if you don't want to upgrade. So the 5750/5770 has DX11, and then i'll only get 4gb RAM, and the money saved will give me enough on my budget to up my PSU? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Keep in mind though, a 5770 will not be quite as powerful as a 4870, but the two are quite close in terms of performance. If you go with a 5770, you will pretty much be paying a little more for a better power consumption, noise profile and dx11. With luck, the last might be huge, but we all know how dx10 turned out :p | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
makes me feel uneasy but i dont really need the extra performance so i'm going 5770  Thanks for the help :p<3 | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On October 23 2009 14:47 Ecael wrote: If possible, could you post the details of what you'll be getting? I am somewhat curious as to how such a setup will look like and cost, just as a comparison to the kind of build that I have in mind. mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131404 + Show Spoiler + (idk why, i llike this one) GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121350 case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042 + Show Spoiler + (most likely picking up from local reseller) cpu: i5 750 + Show Spoiler + probably going to get one for $150 http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0317379 <-- they have a store 30 minutes away from me :D memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231179 HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148469 + Show Spoiler + (dont need anything insanely large i have a 1tb external hd) PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004 + Show Spoiler + (will probably suffice) DVD drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031 (nothing special...i'll just need one to install OS + Sc2.. i'll probably just buy a random DVD drive at local reseller) subtotal comes out to $749 [based off newegg prices, if i can get a deal at local reseller, hell i'll take it] hope it helps! | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On October 24 2009 09:54 Drowsy wrote: What are the advantages of having a dx11 card? What features and stuff does dx11 provide? Hardware tesselation support and megatexturing. | ||
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i.Zerg
United States27 Posts
CPU: Intel Pentium 4, 2800 MHz Memory: 512MB RAM Graphics: XFX-HD-465X-ZPF2 Raedon HD 4650 1GB 128-bit DDR2 AGP 8x Hard Drives: 1 hard disks - 149GB Left PSU: Antec Basiq 430W errrr help can i run? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
On October 24 2009 10:13 ghermination wrote: Hardware tesselation support and megatexturing. And what are those in non-technical terms? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
I'm in the preliminary stages of researching and I'm wondering why I would spend $150 more on a core i7 which will probably be half idle 90% of the time on nearly every game for the next couple years, when I could get a late model core 2 duo, a cheaper motherboard and an Intel SSD 80G instead of a platter disk and just mount my other server for file storage. With random seek times on the order of negligent, no heat, no noise, will I come out ahead? Keep in mind my goal here is SC2 with great quality. I'm not an FPS player and I won't be in line for the next crysis. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
Another question I have is, since I haven't built a computer in three years, everything seems to advocate 4 cores, including tom's hardware. Do games even use more than two yet? I know how hard it is to make use of multiple threads in complex applications like games. I find it hard to believe that these games that are coming out, in particular sc2, are making very good use of more than two. I've seen some games that adjust the AI to use more resources if it can in the background, but that doesn't apply to SC2, because the computer AI has to be deterministic for multiplayer and replays involving bots, so it has to make the same choices no matter what computer it is run on. Considering it is a custom engine one started years ago, I have a hard time believing it is tuned with this type of CPU in mind. Is it no longer true that you can get better overall performance for cpu intensive applications like games out of fewer cores? | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
On October 25 2009 04:05 decemberscalm wrote: And what are those in non-technical terms? Tesselation is a process in which a surface (for example, a facial texture) is broken up into more and more surfaces, which makes it easier to add more detail. If you model a face with only 4 triangles, obviously it isn't going to look too great. However when you increase those surfaces exponentially, via a tesselation algorithm to 16 surfaces, the detail will be much better. Only another step up via tesselation, and you're nearing photorealism. All cards since the nvidia 6 series and the x850 (i believe) have had the support for tesselation, however DirectX has never supported it at the driver level, now it does. The 5xxx series radeon cards and gt300 both have boosted tesselation processors to add support for it. Megatexturing is a pretty straightforward idea. Instead of tiling the same texture over and over a single texture the size of the entire 3d area is loaded into the framebuffer. This allows for vastly more detail, although it does increase the amount of vRAM necessary to render things properly (although at 1680x1050 you will still only need a 512mb card in even the most strenuous situations. 1920x1200 and above is when you really start to need that extra RAM) | ||
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