EPT[H] PvZ Zerg All-ins
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
Too vague. What kind of all-ins? | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
D: when an op is literally 1 line long, there is a problem One word answer: scout Two word answer: scout + react Somewhat longer answer: Scout, and pull probes, to defend your cannons, or zealots, or w/e you have. Block your ramp and abuse mineral patches to micro probes. | ||
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coolcrimefighter
United States378 Posts
either way storm>mass lings/hydras if you're referring to early lings, good probe micro will hold off a 4/5 pool | ||
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Azrael1111
United States550 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On December 30 2008 14:03 sYz-Adrenaline wrote: Hydra or mass ling Still way too vague, man. 3hatch hydras? Fast pool builds? 3hatch mass lings? | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
On December 30 2008 14:19 sYz-Adrenaline wrote: 3-4 hatch Hydra mass Do you really insist of responding to EVERYTHING with one line? My rant towards you is even longer than everything you posted in this thread combined. Clarify more =P. To what I think you're getting at though: Scout Cannon accordingly Storm | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
This thread is absolutely horrible. | ||
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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
inbeforethepurge | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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allowicious
United States972 Posts
stop with units counter with remaining units | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Always keep scouting for it and cannon up to stop 3-4 hatch hydra. If there are no ols around dts will save the day. Anyway, cut probes and cannon up. Building placement is also important against ling and hydra all ins. | ||
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Repertoire
Canada92 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7584 Posts
3 main varieties 1gate vs zerg all-in 2gate vs zerg all-in Fe vs zerg all-in All three situations are competely different. WTF? | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
I think we need an example of a good op in the strategy forum guidelines, so that people can figure out what is blatantly a shitty thread and which ones are worth responding to when making their op. Or you can have a big flashing sign under the create new thread button that reads: "Don't Make a Shitty Op pl0x!" edit: and with no effort to fix his terrible thread + right after the purge  | ||
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village_idiot
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
 chill please dont ban me i couldnt resist it | ||
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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Love.Zelduck
United States170 Posts
Fe toss vs 3 hatch muta Honestly, even if I manage to get up cannons/archons or cannons/sairs or whatever (which for some reason feels like it takes too long), I still have waaay too much trouble getting any kind of ground army going in time to stop him from taking the whole map. Should I just stop FEing? I really feel like I'm so bad at it that I give up all map control. Course, I have no idea how to transition a 2 gate opening into standard pvz (whatever that is...) lol | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
Scout it... Really the only like all in zerg can do in zvp is like 5 pool. Else you should notice zerg building up units to storm your base. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
On December 30 2008 16:17 Love.Zelduck wrote: Okay, so I have a situation that I can't seem to deal with. Fe toss vs 3 hatch muta Honestly, even if I manage to get up cannons/archons or cannons/sairs or whatever (which for some reason feels like it takes too long), I still have waaay too much trouble getting any kind of ground army going in time to stop him from taking the whole map. Should I just stop FEing? I really feel like I'm so bad at it that I give up all map control. Course, I have no idea how to transition a 2 gate opening into standard pvz (whatever that is...) lol It shouldn't be that hard. If your going for the standard FE into stargate/citadel BO your sair should scout his tech when his spire is almost done and you should continue sair production and add 2 cannons at each mineral line (more if you see he continues to mass mutas/scourge.) The constant sair pump till you have 5-7 along with the cannons should be plenty to protect you while you add on gates and go zeal/goon/storm/obs and prepare to take your 3rd and pressure his 3rd/try and deny his 4th. I wonder if your beginning BO isn't correct and your sair is slow in scouting him perhaps? | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
late nat gas = all-in in fact, just get like 5 cannons at expo and 2-3 in your main, just to be safe. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
On December 30 2008 13:56 sYz-Adrenaline wrote: How to spot? Stop? counter? etc wuts hatnin bruh | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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Love.Zelduck
United States170 Posts
On December 30 2008 16:23 Jonoman92 wrote: It shouldn't be that hard. If your going for the standard FE into stargate/citadel BO your sair should scout his tech when his spire is almost done and you should continue sair production and add 2 cannons at each mineral line (more if you see he continues to mass mutas/scourge.) The constant sair pump till you have 5-7 along with the cannons should be plenty to protect you while you add on gates and go zeal/goon/storm/obs and prepare to take your 3rd and pressure his 3rd/try and deny his 4th. I wonder if your beginning BO isn't correct and your sair is slow in scouting him perhaps? Thanks. It really is a bo problem I'm sure. I still mess up probe transfer in timing and I think amount, and I seem to not have enough money to do everything that I feel like I should be doing, but at least I don't mess up probe pumping lol. idk, it feels like if i'm pumping probes, adding pylons, and pumping sairs that I mess up my timing on the whole citadel, +1atk, templar archives, adding gates, leg speed, adding cannons. If I know he's going mutas (like, a lot), when should I add cannons in there, how soon should my gates be up, and how the hell do I have enough mins for gates+cannons while having enough gas for sair pump + tech + archons. lol Time to go practice a bit and watch some reps. I should be able to get this straight soon lol. Oh and btw, it doesn't help that I'm only like 80-90 apm xD I've been doing okay in general, but most of my exp is in PvT and PvP, so I'm basically learning PvZ for the first time. | ||
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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
On December 30 2008 15:36 Caller wrote: when we say scout, we don't mean build a scout by the way, but we mean send a scouting probe chill please dont ban me i couldnt resist it shhh dont listen to this guy I meant build a scout from stargate asap!!11! | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
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Dataleif
Sweden252 Posts
On December 30 2008 14:05 coolcrimefighter wrote: hydra isnt all in, either way storm>mass lings/hydras if you're referring to early lings, good probe micro will hold off a 4/5 pool why isnt it all-in? of course it depends on the amount of drones and hatches the z has before he attacks. For instance the 2 hatch hydra from july vs bisu on blue storm was pretty much all-in and that storm youre talking about wont help that early. More hatches than that isnt all-in like you say but why should we even discuss that here? | ||
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
On December 30 2008 15:03 Avidkeystamper wrote: I posted in a closed thread. ^^ I quoted and posted in a closed thread. ^^ | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
but seriously, scout is the only real answer. edit: meant to say, you should clarify/edit your op. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On October 01 2007 23:45 Chill wrote: Updated Guidelines for posting in the Strategy Forum Don't reply in bad threads If it's clear the original poster hasn't put any effort into his thread, don't reply. This encourages people to follow the correct format and put effort in their threads. The thread will be closed anyways, so you need not reply. | ||
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nAi.PrOtOsS
Canada784 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
first posts require content try harder for fuck's sake also why was this open for so long >:[ | ||
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