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The public sentiment is swayed by the media, and basing your judgment on what the public thinks is absurd. Anyone can agree upon that.
McCain has been a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee for a while, but he hasn't been on much else. From Project Vote Smart:
Committees:
Armed Services, Ranking Member
Commerce, Science & Transportation, Member
Indian Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on Aviation Operations, Safety, and Security, Member
Subcommittee on Consumer Affairs, Insurance, and Automotive Safety, Member
Subcommittee on Interstate Commerce, Trade, and Tourism, Member
Subcommittee on Science, Technology, and Innovation, Member
Subcommittee on Surface Transportation and Merchant Marine Infrastructure, Safety, and Security, Member
Obama:
Committees:
Foreign Relations, Member
Health, Education, Labor & Pensions, Member
Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Member
Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Member
Subcommittee on African Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on Children and Families, Member
Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety, Member
Subcommittee on European Affairs, Chair
Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security , Member
Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection, Member
Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration, Member
Veterans' Affairs, Member
And Biden:
Committees:
Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights, Member
Foreign Relations, Chair
Judiciary, Member
Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs, Chair
Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on European Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on Human Rights and the Law, Member
Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Refugees, Member
Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection, Member
Subcommittee on International Operations and Organizations, Democracy and Human Rights, Member
Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South and Central Asian Affairs, Member
Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security, Member
Subcommittee on Western Hemisphere, Peace Corps and Narcotics Affairs, Member
I bolded the things that deal with IR, international trade or national security. The non-congressional organizations are meaningless, as everyone congressman is in about 15,000 different organizations.
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ZOMG Obama is in Memphis!!!
And in other news:
McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people
are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held
a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."
If she can't answer basic questions, that's tough. Katie did not ask her tough questions, her questions were very fair. Apparently Katie asked her, "what's the worst thing Dick Cheney did", and she answered "Shooting his friend with the gun". Us Elections aren't a meritocracy, about picking the most qualified people, it's obvious she has very little knowledge of US facts. She may be a good person and a good governor, she has also has a high approval rating, but is this is the best person you can find for Vice President? but what does this say about Palin and McCain's judgment?
Last night's meeting according to Politico:
Both McCain and his Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, would leave the White House without comment, and the meeting was described as among the wildest in memory. A beleaguered President Bush had to struggle to maintain order and reassert himself. And when Democrats left to caucus in the Roosevelt Room, Paulson pursued them, begging that they not "blow up" the legislation.
The former Goldman Sachs CEO even went down on one knee as if genuflecting, to which Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cal.) is said to have joked, "I didn’t know you were Catholic."
It was McCain who had urged Bush to call the White House meeting but Democrats made sure Obama had a prominent part. And much as they complained later of being blindsided, the whole event turned out to be something of an ambush on their part—aimed at McCain and House Republicans.
"Speaking professionally," said one Republican aide, "They did a very good job."
When Bush yielded early to Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) to speak, they yielded to Obama to speak for the assembled Democrats. And it was Obama who raised the subject of the conservative alternative and pressed Paulson on what he thought of the idea.
House Republicans felt trapped—squeezed by Treasury, House Democrats and a bipartisan coalition in the Senate. And while McCain spoke surprisingly little after asking for the meeting, he conceded that it appeared there were not the votes for the core Paulson plan without major changes.
And here's to hoping Obama does well in the debates. *crosses fingers*
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On September 26 2008 09:23 Savio wrote:
This was true in his campaign against Bush Sr. However, his campaign was much better than Dole's. But I believe that Clinton ran as a Washington outsider/moderate democrat. After all, he negotiated NAFTA (good move in my book)
I really don't want to derail this thread, but I'm extremely curious as to why you think NAFTA was a good move (for the American people). Aside from lowering the price of some commodities, how were Americans affected by it? I think it's difficult to capitalize on cheaper commodities when you're a low-wage industrial worker, part of the estimated 800,000 who lost a job, (as a result of NAFTA) to buy anything.
The only people who benefited from NAFTA were corporations.
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The only people who find McCain more 'trustworthy' are the warhawks, so are fondly attached to his idea of 'blow shit up, ask questions later' Everyone's got respect for what happened to him in the war, but it doesn't somehow make him a competent leader. Shit, after what he went through, you think he'd be a tad bit more hesitant about blindly marching into places like we own the joint.
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On September 27 2008 03:32 Hawk wrote:
The only people who find McCain more 'trustworthy' are the warhawks, so are fondly attached to his idea of 'blow shit up, ask questions later' Everyone's got respect for what happened to him in the war, but it doesn't somehow make him a competent leader. Shit, after what he went through, you think he'd be a tad bit more hesitant about blindly marching into places like we own the joint.
I agree, Hawks fucking suck.
<3
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On September 27 2008 03:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
When Bush yielded early to Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D- Nev.) to speak, they yielded to Obama to speak for the assembled Democrats. And it was Obama who raised the subject of the conservative alternative and pressed Paulson on what he thought of the idea.
i think this speaks volumes for the growing spirit of unity amongst the democrats, especially when you consider the other side:
From Rep (D - Mass.) Barney Frank:
"Nobody mentioned him. The man’s irrelevant to the whole process. No Republican mentioned his name. I’m the only one who raised his name. They winced when I did."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Frank_Republicans_winced_when_McCain_was_mentioned_in_meeting.htm
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On September 27 2008 02:36 Savio wrote:On a side note, this has been a very bad week for McCain and his campaign imo. Actually, its been pretty downright bad the entire campaign. The rest of the world is watching this going "are you serious?"
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On September 27 2008 03:43 Phoned wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2008 02:36 Savio wrote:On a side note, this has been a very bad week for McCain and his campaign imo. Actually, its been pretty downright bad the entire campaign. The rest of the world is watching this going "are you serious?"
True  In Sweden Obama would be unelectable because he is too far to the right. When we see people like McCain or any other republican for that matter our eyes just glace over. It's hard for me to listen to McCain or Palin and still feel attached to this world ._. Feels more like a Disney movie.
By the way, when is today's debate aired?
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3:00 am CET.
Not going out tonight because of this, going to catch a few hours of sleep now and then hopefully wake up in time for it.
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On September 27 2008 04:19 Orome wrote:
3:00 am CET.
Not going out tonight because of this, going to catch a few hours of sleep now and then hopefully wake up in time for it.
Are you from the U.S.?
Or are you just an America fan?
(Or maybe you are just an educated person...)
Just curious...
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On September 27 2008 04:34 capek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2008 04:19 Orome wrote:
3:00 am CET.
Not going out tonight because of this, going to catch a few hours of sleep now and then hopefully wake up in time for it. Are you from the U.S.? Or are you just an America fan? (Or maybe you are just an educated person...) Just curious...
I think the U.S presidential election affects the rest of the world a lot and most people I know in Europe are following it.
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EVERYONE in the world is following our election, capek. The foreign policy of the next President is going to effect EVERYONE.
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On September 27 2008 03:33 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2008 03:32 Hawk wrote:
The only people who find McCain more 'trustworthy' are the warhawks, so are fondly attached to his idea of 'blow shit up, ask questions later' Everyone's got respect for what happened to him in the war, but it doesn't somehow make him a competent leader. Shit, after what he went through, you think he'd be a tad bit more hesitant about blindly marching into places like we own the joint.
I agree, Hawks fucking suck. <3
haha, write after I wrote that, I was like, 'I wonder how long til someone says something..'
Yeah, I think the rest of the world follows our elections closer than some of the fucksticks within our country... pretty sad.
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On September 27 2008 04:42 Rayzorblade wrote:
EVERYONE in the world is following our election, capek. The foreign policy of the next President is going to effect EVERYONE.
Yeah, it's funny - I spend hours every day reading the latest news and opinions on the American election, yet my own country has an election happening even sooner and I'm not following it at all.
I guess it's because American politics are far more interesting and exciting (particularly this election). Our politics are stale and repetitive. The same four or five guys popping up every 4 years "hey, we're back again. Like us now??"
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Where do you live Flaccid?
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yeah US elections have such huge consequences. the OP of the US election thread is canadian (i know, the OP is me).
they should really just give the rest of us a vote already
Edit: although i disagree with flaccid, in that i follow the canadian election pretty heavily too. canadians are just as dumb as the people who voted for bush though, hello harper!)
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a-game: If they did that then all the excitement would go away  Having Obama win with an 80-90% landslide.
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On September 27 2008 03:32 Hawk wrote:
The only people who find McCain more 'trustworthy' are the warhawks, so are fondly attached to his idea of 'blow shit up, ask questions later' Everyone's got respect for what happened to him in the war, but it doesn't somehow make him a competent leader. Shit, after what he went through, you think he'd be a tad bit more hesitant about blindly marching into places like we own the joint.
There must be more "warhawks" than everyone else combined then:
McCain-Obama: Trust on Issues
Economy: McCain 47% Obama 45%
National Security: McCain 54% Obama 41%
Energy: McCain 43% Obama 46%
Iraq: McCain 51% Obama 43%
Immigration: McCain 45% Obama43%
Environment: McCain 38% Obama 51%
Negotiate Trade Agreements: McCain 46% Obama: 41%
Taxes: McCain 48% Obama 43%
Healthcare: McCain 42% Obama 49%
Education: McCain 40% Obama 48%
I didn’t include them all, but McCain is ahead in:
Economy
National Security
Iraq
Immigration
Balance Federal Budget
Negotiate Trade Agreements
Taxes
Abortion
And Obama is ahead in:
Energy
Ethics
Environment
Social Security
Health Care
Education
I would point out then Obama leads in no foreign affairs and McCain is ahead of him by a lot on security and Iraq.
Source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers
This poll was turned in 2 days ago by Rasmussen, who along with Gallup are the largest, most established and trusted polling organizations in the US
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On September 27 2008 03:09 Jibba wrote:
The public sentiment is swayed by the media, and basing your judgment on what the public thinks is absurd. Anyone can agree upon that.
Whoa. So much for democracy.
J/K, I know thats not what you meant.
But of course what the public thinks is McCain's or Obama's strong points is ALL that matters because in the end, the public chooses between these two men.
So, from the standpoint of this election, and how the debates will affect them (which is what I was talking about), the public's opinion is all that matters.
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EDIT: Consider Ron Paul as "Other". If you would vote for Bob Barr or anyone else, just select Ron Paul. Its too late for me to change the poll. So "Ron Paul" is really "Other"
If you guys don't mind indulging me for a second, I have a curiosity I want to fill.
We see in US politics right now, that young people by and large strongly favor Obama and the democrats while those 65 and older tend to favor McCain. The other trends we see is that Women tend to lean toward democrats more and Men to the Republicans (I'm talking the last few elections). And finally, overall, whites (I think), favor Republicans and minorities favor the democrats.
But even more clearly, we have seen that citizens of other countries STRONGLY favor Obama this year and I think usually favor the democrats.
Now, TL.net is interesting, because it is a truly international website, pulling in people from all over the world. And (I'm making a guess here), TL.net members are probably on average younger than the general public (of course we have a pretty good age spectrum here), and people on this site as of now strongly favor Obama over McCain according to the OP poll.
I'm interested in seeing how these polls would look if we broke up the US citizens and the citizens from other countries.
Plus I have never made a poll before and I am expanding my posting knowledge, so here goes:
Poll: FOR US CITIZENS: For whom would you vote?
(Vote): Obama/Biden
(Vote): McCain/Palin
(Vote): Ron Paul
Poll: FOR NON-USA CITIZENS: For whom would you vote?
(Vote): Obama/Biden
(Vote): McCain/Palin
(Vote): Ron Paul
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