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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 27 2008 00:35 GMT
#1281

Especially since Ricardo's competitive advantage ends up being a disadvantage 95% of the time.



I'm not sure what you are talking about. The idea of competitive advantage implies that ALL countries can gain from trade. Even if you lived in a country that wasn't good at making ANYTHING, you still have a competitive advantage in something. Because competive advantage, as opposed to absolute advantage is based off the slope of your production possibilities frontier, rather than the intercepts.

So if 1 country has a steeper slop, (meaning they are relatively better at producing good Y over good X), then the other nation by definition has a lower opportunity cost of producing good X.

So even if the richer or more productive country, in absolute terms is better at making both goods, he still benefits from specializing in good Y and then buying good X from the other country. That maximizes his consumption. The same is true for the smaller country.

Wikipedia has a nice little article on it:

excerpt:
"Comparative advantage explains how trade can create value for both parties even when one can produce all goods at lower prices than the other. The net benefits of such an outcome are called gains from trade."

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

I'm not sure where you got the 95% you mentioned.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 00:43:19
September 27 2008 00:39 GMT
#1282
On September 27 2008 08:20 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2008 08:15 fusionsdf wrote:
On September 27 2008 07:48 Flaccid wrote:
On September 27 2008 06:42 Savio wrote:
a bunch of stuff about trade




And then there was a leaked conversation between Obama and (I believe) a Canadian minister where he stated that he wasn't actually serious about doing anything with NAFTA. Good ol' political posturing.




god

fuck ctv
fuck them so hard

for good or for bad, no one from obama's camp said that to the canadian embassy

someone from clinton's campaign did, and somehow in the inept reporting of ctv that morphed to obama


regardless, i hope nothing happens to nafta.


So do I.

Did you know that Canada is our #1 trade partner? We trade more with Canada than with China or any other country. Mexico is up there too. I think it makes our continent more unified. Even though our governments may have way different values/leanings, we all know we are allies and trade partners.

In fact its not even close. Canada is WAY ahead of China.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/2007/12/balance.html
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 00:57:20
September 27 2008 00:56 GMT
#1283
Because their advantage gets exploited by free trade agreements. Their self-sustainability disappears as they specialize and they then become dependent on other countries for resources, while the few items they're invested in quickly drop in value. Seriously, where did you study economics at? Free trade agreements forced by the World Bank/IMF and the competitive advantage have ravaged Central and South America as well as plenty of other regions around the world. The fastest growing economies over the last twenty years, the asian tigers, have done so with protectionist policies, which is also the way Japan, the US, Britain and Germany came to be.

Canada is one of the few places where the competitive advantage actually work, but they already had the European culture and work force in place to begin advancing the rest of their economy.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 27 2008 01:01 GMT
#1284
On September 27 2008 09:39 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2008 08:20 Last Romantic wrote:
On September 27 2008 08:15 fusionsdf wrote:
On September 27 2008 07:48 Flaccid wrote:
On September 27 2008 06:42 Savio wrote:
a bunch of stuff about trade




And then there was a leaked conversation between Obama and (I believe) a Canadian minister where he stated that he wasn't actually serious about doing anything with NAFTA. Good ol' political posturing.




god

fuck ctv
fuck them so hard

for good or for bad, no one from obama's camp said that to the canadian embassy

someone from clinton's campaign did, and somehow in the inept reporting of ctv that morphed to obama


regardless, i hope nothing happens to nafta.


So do I.

Did you know that Canada is our #1 trade partner? We trade more with Canada than with China or any other country. Mexico is up there too. I think it makes our continent more unified. Even though our governments may have way different values/leanings, we all know we are allies and trade partners.

In fact its not even close. Canada is WAY ahead of China.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/top/dst/2007/12/balance.html

To be fair, that's partially the case because of NAFTA, so you can't use it as proof of our needing it. You'd have to draw statistics from the pre-NAFTA years. In any case, I agree that it's a beneficial thing.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 27 2008 01:04 GMT
#1285
Debate just started...
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 01:11:23
September 27 2008 01:09 GMT
#1286
Bad answers on both sides atm

Ok, McCain just started lying. Anyone want to keep track of this for both sides?
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 27 2008 01:14 GMT
#1287
both sides are spouting SO much bullcrap

my god /suicide
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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 27 2008 01:15 GMT
#1288
So far, its pretty boring.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 01:16:53
September 27 2008 01:16 GMT
#1289
McCain just ripped him good on Pork spending

LoL, 1 million dollars a day.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
September 27 2008 01:16 GMT
#1290
both sides bsing naturally but McCain far more
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 27 2008 01:16 GMT
#1291
Earmarks are a 150 mineral Protoss drug
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 01:17:22
September 27 2008 01:17 GMT
#1292
Obama wins round 2

300 > 18
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 27 2008 01:17 GMT
#1293
CEOs of fortune 500 economies deserve that shit

my god it's not like any bum can do that shit
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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 27 2008 01:22 GMT
#1294
Business taxes need to be cut for sure. That will stop so much outsourcing of jobs. You'd have to be crazy right now to form your company in the US rather than a more businness friendly country.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
September 27 2008 01:23 GMT
#1295
Bah, taxes are boring, lets talk about Iran.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-27 01:24:42
September 27 2008 01:24 GMT
#1296
yes, the market CAN solve everything.

On September 27 2008 10:22 Savio wrote:
Business taxes need to be cut for sure. That will stop so much outsourcing of jobs. You'd have to be crazy right now to form your company in the US rather than a more businness friendly country.


Agreed. our profit tax is insane.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 27 2008 01:24 GMT
#1297
EVERYTHING
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 27 2008 01:25 GMT
#1298
On September 27 2008 10:24 Last Romantic wrote:
yes, the market CAN solve everything.

Especially when it hits equilibrium during a stagnant period, right?
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 27 2008 01:26 GMT
#1299
how the fuck does this shit jump from poor guys to oil barons

exxon mobil fighting~!
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
September 27 2008 01:26 GMT
#1300
mccain was looking really strong, but that nervous laughter is really killing him
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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