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servo2
Profile Joined October 2008
3 Posts
October 09 2008 23:44 GMT
#2441
On October 10 2008 06:06 Flaccid wrote:
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The sad part is it's still going to be too close for comfort =[


Still better than I expected.

P.S. this is servolisk and I forgot my pass and had no registered e-mail, could admin help plz?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 10 2008 00:56 GMT
#2442
GOP mentioned Obama's cocaine/pot usage as a teenager. They're opening up a can of worms that McCain himself probably doesn't want opened. His Navy history is as bad as anyone's.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 10 2008 01:02 GMT
#2443
I was thinking today about how Obama is pulling ahead and McCain is getting more aggressive and negative in his ads. I think there are 2 reasons for McCain's negativity.

1. Its a last ditch effort. Negative campaigning is effective. If McCain is behind, he has nothing to lose by going negative.

2. It may be too late and Obama may be too far ahead for McCain to hope to win. In that case, the GOP needs to shift into "attack and slime Obama" mode.

Regardless of what you may think about the political parties, whichever party loses the Presidential election must begin to attack that President as much as possible. The sliming of GW Bush by the democratic party these last 6 years has been the most antagonistic and effective attack I have ever seen on a President. This can be evidenced by the fact that at most universities, a person can't even say he supports Bush without fearing for his life. It is also evidenced by the fact that a lot of you are now going to claim that Bush did it all to himself and the Democrats and nice people who would never slime a person's intelligence or character.

The president is the straw horse of his party. By necessity, the other party must try to drag him down if they hope to win the next election. So if Obama is gonna win anyway, McCain/GOP figures, why not take down his pretty image before he goes into office.

Just my thoughts.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 10 2008 01:06 GMT
#2444
On October 10 2008 09:56 Jibba wrote:
GOP mentioned Obama's cocaine/pot usage as a teenager. They're opening up a can of worms that McCain himself probably doesn't want opened. His Navy history is as bad as anyone's.


see: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 10 2008 01:08 GMT
#2445
On October 10 2008 10:02 Savio wrote:
I was thinking today about how Obama is pulling ahead and McCain is getting more aggressive and negative in his ads. I think there are 2 reasons for McCain's negativity.

1. Its a last ditch effort. Negative campaigning is effective. If McCain is behind, he has nothing to lose by going negative.

2. It may be too late and Obama may be too far ahead for McCain to hope to win. In that case, the GOP needs to shift into "attack and slime Obama" mode.

Regardless of what you may think about the political parties, whichever party loses the Presidential election must begin to attack that President as much as possible. The sliming of GW Bush by the democratic party these last 6 years has been the most antagonistic and effective attack I have ever seen on a President. This can be evidenced by the fact that at most universities, a person can't even say he supports Bush without fearing for his life. It is also evidenced by the fact that a lot of you are now going to claim that Bush did it all to himself and the Democrats and nice people who would never slime a person's intelligence or character.

The president is the straw horse of his party. By necessity, the other party must try to drag him down if they hope to win the next election. So if Obama is gonna win anyway, McCain/GOP figures, why not take down his pretty image before he goes into office.

Just my thoughts.


Yeah! Bush was an awesome president! If it wasnt for those slimey democrats!

Face it, Bush is considered one of the worst presidents in history because he was a bad president, not a good president made to look bad.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 10 2008 01:10 GMT
#2446
Uh.. plenty of us have been continually critical of this Democratic congress. They blame the P's veto power but they do nothing on their own anyways. We just also recognize that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powel, Gonzalez, etc. have done an extremely poor job as well.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say if the tables were turned, Obama's campaign would not be mudslinging like McCain is. The country has gone through two hostile and divisive presidential elections in a row and we just finished a nasty primary season. Combine that with all the current major issues we're facing and I don't think they'd attempt to cause more hostility and polarization. I think they'd take the high road and concede gracefully.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 10 2008 01:15 GMT
#2447
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
October 10 2008 02:04 GMT
#2448
On October 10 2008 10:15 fusionsdf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.

No one knows, that's why it got its own word swiftboating.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2008 02:20 GMT
#2449
On October 10 2008 10:15 fusionsdf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.


Well seeing how Obama was born in 1961...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 10 2008 02:30 GMT
#2450
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14908 Posts
October 10 2008 02:35 GMT
#2451
On October 10 2008 11:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2008 10:15 fusionsdf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.


Well seeing how Obama was born in 1961...


not talking about obama?
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
October 10 2008 02:42 GMT
#2452
On October 10 2008 11:35 KOFgokuon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2008 11:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On October 10 2008 10:15 fusionsdf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.


Well seeing how Obama was born in 1961...


not talking about obama?

correct

How could anyone miss this? John Kerry and GWB. I suppose if you didn't follow the last election, but I thought (ignorant American warning) that US presidential elections were news around the world.

BTW Swiftboats were not a small part of that election by any measure if foreign media didn't cover it they should have.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-10 02:54:03
October 10 2008 02:43 GMT
#2453
People don't consider Rove an evil genius for nothing. I also think Kerry played into the allegations. They questioned his patriotism and his status as a war hero, and rather than focusing on any one of a million issues he could have focused on, he tried to push his image as a war hero. This guy showed up to the DNC with a crew full of his old Vietnam vet buddies and he saluted the crowd saying he was "reporting to do". People could see right through the dog and pony show. He also never intelligently defended the flip flopper label. It would have been incredibly easy, he just never did it.

edit- Drudge is reporting that a report is about to come out saying Obams was secretly talking to Iraq about troop levels? The right will be running with this hard. Probably McCains only chance at this point.
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2008 03:01 GMT
#2454
ahh ok ok
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 10 2008 03:06 GMT
#2455
On October 10 2008 10:02 Savio wrote:
The sliming of GW Bush by the democratic party these last 6 years has been the most antagonistic and effective attack I have ever seen on a President. This can be evidenced by the fact that at most universities, a person can't even say he supports Bush without fearing for his life. It is also evidenced by the fact that a lot of you are now going to claim that Bush did it all to himself and the Democrats and nice people who would never slime a person's intelligence or character.

yeah, because none of the stigma about bush and the conservatives have to do with their foreign policy over the last 8 years. s'all demo sliming
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
October 10 2008 05:45 GMT
#2456
Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same wall. Both parties pander constantly and employ the same tactics in situations as needed. Just vote for whoever you think is going to make the best president, OK?
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
October 10 2008 05:54 GMT
#2457
I see voters choosing obama and supreme court overruling and electing mccain followed by revolution. mmmhmmm
Nak Allstar.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10866 Posts
October 10 2008 07:37 GMT
#2458
On October 10 2008 06:00 Tsagacity wrote:
Probably (hopefully?!) only a small portion of people are like this, but those that are are very scary



These people make the USA's image in the foreign world... Hell... Wouldn't i be a lot online i wouldn't know any other americans... sad...
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 10 2008 07:37 GMT
#2459
The further Obama pulls away in the polls, the more apparent it will become that he will be our next President. Now he will be scrutinized the hardest.
a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5107 Posts
October 10 2008 08:04 GMT
#2460
On October 10 2008 10:10 Jibba wrote:
Uh.. plenty of us have been continually critical of this Democratic congress. They blame the P's veto power but they do nothing on their own anyways. We just also recognize that Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powel, Gonzalez, etc. have done an extremely poor job as well.

it's not just the presidential veto. the senate "filibuster" is completely imbalanced. republicans have made no efforts to acknowledge that the democrats have the majority in the senate and have filibustered at an unprecedented level.

i don't think it's fair to blame the democrats until they have the actual power to pass bills in the senate (60 seat filibuster-proof majority). i think it's pretty ridiculous how thoroughly the republicans would have to be purged from the senate just to give the controlling party actual control of the senate

there seems to be no acknowledgment in the media that the democrats don't actually have the power to pass bills, and thus i think their disapproval ratings are undeservedly large
"you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen" - racebannon
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