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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 10 2008 08:07 GMT
#2461
Pelosi is a fucking weak speaker and her Bush tirade during the bailout preceding was a great shining example of that. It's still possible to act strong and they really haven't done that.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
October 10 2008 08:45 GMT
#2462
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=tOZhNkc4bEw&feature=related
LazySCV
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
United States2942 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-10 11:09:16
October 10 2008 10:45 GMT
#2463
--- Nuked ---
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
October 10 2008 10:57 GMT
#2464
what...has she never seen english newspapers lol. Why can't a magazine be biased?

English newspapers are literally like...the daily express: 'Criminal Brown pushes rates to unbearable levels'; the guardian 'Saviour Brown rescues plunging rate levels'.
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-10 11:01:13
October 10 2008 10:59 GMT
#2465
On October 10 2008 19:57 HamerD wrote:
what...has she never seen english newspapers lol. Why can't a magazine be biased?

English newspapers are literally like...the daily express: 'Criminal Brown pushes rates to unbearable levels'; the guardian 'Saviour Brown rescues plunging rate levels'.



ideally the press isnt supposed to be overly biased here.

The press is supposed to keep government in check and supply people with info, but that doesnt happen. Its not really a realistic idea especially nowadays.

not to mention they are on fox news....

rofl
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 10 2008 11:11 GMT
#2466
my favorite is the Us Weekly covers

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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
October 10 2008 11:12 GMT
#2467
rofl @ babies lies and scandal
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
October 10 2008 13:25 GMT
#2468
hi

today i found a blog entry from one of my favourite authors some (or even many) here will know as well: George R. R. Martin.

i enjoyed the read so i thought i just might post it here for anyone interested:


Beneath Contempt

* Oct. 9th, 2008 at 11:19 AM


One of the reasons I started this Not-a-Blog was to have a place to talk about politics, and for more than a year now I have been intending to post some of my thoughts and opinions on the presidential campaign. It's been a busy year, however, and political posts demand more time and energy than I have had to spare, so as it happened I never got around to posting about the primaries, the conventions, or the debates. Aside from the "Books for Barack" plug in my last post, I have hardly commented on the election at all.

In view of what's happening right now, however, I find a need to say a word or three, even if it means taking a few hours off from DANCE WITH DRAGONS, the Vance anthology, SUICIDE KINGS, the WARRIORS anthology, and all the other projects that I am juggling.

I am referring, of course, to the McCain campaign's decision to go swiftboating. Instead of talking about the economy or the war or the other issues that confront the country, all of a sudden all they want to talk about is Obama serving on the board of a charity with a guy who was in the Weather Underground back in the 1960s.

If it wasn't so tragic, this would be funny. In her debate with Joe Biden, Sarah Palin tried to score points by arguing that Biden was talking about "the past" when he criticized the policies and mistakes of the Bush administration. She wasn't interested in talking about "the past," Palin said. Since the debate, however, Palin has talked about little else... and not last week or last year or four years ago, either, oh no, her interest is all in something that happened forty years ago, when Barack Obama was eight.

And now McCain has started in as well.

That saddens me. I'm an Obama supporter, make no mistake, and I'll be voting for him in a few weeks. Even so, a year ago I had a lot of respect for John McCain. I looked on him in the same way as I once looked on men like Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley -- as a man of integrity and intelligence with whom I disagreed. (For the record, I looked on W as a man who combined the integrity of Richard Nixon with the intelligence of Dan Quayle). One of the things that I found most attractive about McCain was his insistence that he wanted to run a clean campaign on the issues.

That's gone now, it appears, and with it any respect I might have still retained for McCain. Faced with the spectre of defeat, he has turned to swiftboating, to the old tried-and-true tactic of guilt by association that was such a mainstay of HUAC and Tailgunner Joe back in the days of the Red Scare, one of the darkest epochs of American history.

Will it work? I hope not. Still, it worked in 2004, when a well-financed campaign of lies and character assassination destroyed John Kerry, a true American hero. I hope we have all learned better since then, but there's part of me that wonders.

Make no mistake. McCain and Palin are now appealing to the darkest elements in the American populace, as the shouts of "Treason" and "Kill him!" at their recent rallies make clear.

When a candidate, any candidate, engages in a campaign of character assassination, it says more about the character of the attacker than the target. What this says to me is that John McCain has abandoned his own ideals and principles, that he would do anything to win.

If I ever happened to be at one of those "town halls" that McCain likes so much, and if by some miracle I was actually allowed to ask a question, I know what that would be. I would ask him the same question that Joseph Welch asked Senator McCarthy at the Army-McCarthy Hearings, a question that still echoes down the halls of history:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 10 2008 14:05 GMT
#2469
The McCain Palin angry mobs makes me laught my ass off, I imagine if McCain wasant thinking when all those rednecks were angrily complaining about him "gosh these people are stupid and this stupidity will cost me"
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8917 Posts
October 10 2008 14:20 GMT
#2470
On October 10 2008 17:45 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=tOZhNkc4bEw&feature=related


Obama has been on a ton of 'un-touched-up' covers:

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Or what about this poor polar bear? Completely un-edited:

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lulzlulz. This isn't Playboy, it's Newsweek. It's hilarious the things people choose to single out in this campaign.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8917 Posts
October 10 2008 14:27 GMT
#2471
FYI, you forgot Poland.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
October 10 2008 14:48 GMT
#2472
It does seem like it's hard for anything to stick to Obama. Usually he can just get away with denouncing something after the fact and people will take his word for it. Not just Ayers, but Wright as well. Stuff like calling his grandmother a 'typical white woman' or Michelle saying for the first time in her adult life, she was proud of her country. I don't think he regrets being around these people. I'm pretty sure he's just distancing himself from them because he is running for President now. He didn't seem to have a problem with Rev. Wright until he started running for President.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
October 10 2008 14:50 GMT
#2473
polar bears are cute
bp1696
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States288 Posts
October 10 2008 14:52 GMT
#2474
Obama buys a half hour slot of prime time tv.

Look at the power of teh munnies...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/politics/10buy.html?ref=us
Sleep is for the fishes
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
October 10 2008 15:36 GMT
#2475
HAHAHHA PORES ANDW RINKLES I LOVE FOX NEWS
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
October 10 2008 15:53 GMT
#2476
thanks for posting that ghardo. martin's a great writer, always interested in reading his opinion
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 10 2008 17:38 GMT
#2477
On October 10 2008 10:10 Jibba wrote:
I think they'd take the high road and concede gracefully.


I don't think that betting your money on politicians taking the high road is a very good investment.

Those who do (Bob Dole) are generally hated for years to come for running a "weak" campaign.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 10 2008 17:41 GMT
#2478
On October 10 2008 10:15 fusionsdf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out how they made the guy with 3 purple hearts look cowardly and the guy who skipped out on vietnam patriotic.


The videos of him condemning US soldiers before congress didn't help.

But ya, this is one of more interesting occurences in campaign politics.

I think that McCain's campaign has been missing the focus that Rove brought to the Bush campaigns. You guys noted earlier that McCain is jumping all around attacking in different ways which the Bush campaigns run by Rove focused on a few themes (flip-flopping, liberalism and lack of patriotism--though not directly through the campaign) and kept them until they sunk in.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 10 2008 17:43 GMT
#2479
On October 10 2008 11:43 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
This guy (Kerry) showed up to the DNC with a crew full of his old Vietnam vet buddies and he saluted the crowd saying he was "reporting to do".


Oh, that was so painful.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 10 2008 17:52 GMT
#2480
On October 10 2008 12:06 CTStalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2008 10:02 Savio wrote:
The sliming of GW Bush by the democratic party these last 6 years has been the most antagonistic and effective attack I have ever seen on a President. This can be evidenced by the fact that at most universities, a person can't even say he supports Bush without fearing for his life. It is also evidenced by the fact that a lot of you are now going to claim that Bush did it all to himself and the Democrats and nice people who would never slime a person's intelligence or character.

yeah, because none of the stigma about bush and the conservatives have to do with their foreign policy over the last 8 years. s'all demo sliming



Also there is a bit more to what I wrote earlier. It doesn't work for one party to attack the other's President if he is still popular and things are going well (think of how Reagan was attacked constantly with NO effect).

But Presidents inherently take the credit when things are good (The "Clinton Economy"--whatever), and they also take the blame when things go bad (Carter destroyed by the Iran hostage crisis, Bush Sr. getting hurt by that short recession around election time).

Some of these things, a President can affect, but other times, they can't and they either get to claim credit or take the hit.

Now, Obama is about to inherit a country in recession, 2 hard wars (that destroyed Bush), problems with Iran and oil that will most likely become expensive again.

If he pulls out of Iraq and things get ugly there, then the GOP can say, "When we left, things were calming down. Now look at them." If he stays in (which is likely despite his promises), then the democrats will hate him. If things get messy in Afghanistan and Pakistan or Iran develops a nuke or North Korea reactivates its nuclear program, he is going to look bad.

So Obama is coming in at a risky time. So if McCain is going to lose, he might as well start the attacking because that is how parties regain power. I mean the Dems were slapped around BAD in 2004. GOP gained control and seats in both houses as well as the reelection to the presidency. Things went bad, Bush takes blame, and POW, the dems are in power.

That cylce I think, is as old as democracy itself.

Anyway, the point is, Obama may have a hard road ahead. And the GOP is not gonna make it easy for him.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
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