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evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 02:30 GMT
#2381
On October 09 2008 11:26 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 11:09 evandi wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:01 Doctorasul wrote:
It's your job to look for the appropriate studies to support your assertions, I don't have to do your homework for you.

Dismissing smaller countries as irrelevant is why you don't understand why they would overwhelmingly reject McCain. There's a strong correlation between how liberal and progressive a country is and how well they do in the rankings. Doesn't that give you pause when saying conservative politics are undoubtedly for the good of the country?


No, it is valid to dismiss small countries because statistically given purely random chance there are more chances to have a good result, and our country is near the top of most of those lists anyway.

Take the Olympics for instance. Small countries like to brag about the amount of medals per person.

Well, divide the US into 50 states and all of them together will be able give more athletes a chance while the same stars that did well in the normal Olympics will of course be there. More chances, more likely to get more golds, except in team sports.

Then add up what the 50 states got and it will probably be a bit higher than what the US got.

LOL

i wonder if you've made it out of high school. do you even know how this shit works?


Yes, I think I do.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 09 2008 02:30 GMT
#2382
On October 09 2008 10:11 ahrara_ wrote:
ultimately, i think evandi has a point

there are people in this thread who react wayyy too harshly to conservative opinions. the only thing that irked me about evandi was that he (and people who responded to him) focused so much on character and the who-said-what-when game. i really like savio's posts tho, because he tends to focus on content more.

anyway, i think we can all learn from this and be a little more tolerant of conservatives, and also spend less time on moot shit.

edit

does anyone else feel like every time a conservative starts posting he gets jumped in before being accepted by the thread. it's kind of ridiculous but also really funny.

fuck conservative opinions. forever crippled by myopia on vision and ideal in the grand scheme of things. even in specific instances where conservatives have been right, what is needed is not more conservatism but more refined policy responses from a vision that at least tries. i fail to see any redeeming feature in conservative ideology, especially given the meandering history of 'conservatism' as a token of political structure. give me an example of a conservative feature that is desirable or at any rate not entirely reprehensible in its own right. why would one want to be a conservative, and not merely a person who thinks "liberals" have some bad ideas and try to propose productive and humane alternatives.

and really, it is tiresome to repeat that political commentary is never neutral, especially meta perspectives like your post. you have not shown any reason as to why conservative opinions should be respected, and i suspect you've formed your political sympathies on too contemporary and narrow a range of readings. maybe look more into understanding theoretically the "liberal" positions and not merely see them as caricatures.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 09 2008 02:33 GMT
#2383
On October 09 2008 11:30 evandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 11:26 oneofthem wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:09 evandi wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:01 Doctorasul wrote:
It's your job to look for the appropriate studies to support your assertions, I don't have to do your homework for you.

Dismissing smaller countries as irrelevant is why you don't understand why they would overwhelmingly reject McCain. There's a strong correlation between how liberal and progressive a country is and how well they do in the rankings. Doesn't that give you pause when saying conservative politics are undoubtedly for the good of the country?


No, it is valid to dismiss small countries because statistically given purely random chance there are more chances to have a good result, and our country is near the top of most of those lists anyway.

Take the Olympics for instance. Small countries like to brag about the amount of medals per person.

Well, divide the US into 50 states and all of them together will be able give more athletes a chance while the same stars that did well in the normal Olympics will of course be there. More chances, more likely to get more golds, except in team sports.

Then add up what the 50 states got and it will probably be a bit higher than what the US got.

LOL

i wonder if you've made it out of high school. do you even know how this shit works?


Yes, I think I do.

any concrete political fact like "nordic countries have a high HDI" can be analyzed and given specific causes, no matter the "statistical chance," which is a bullcrap term here anyway given the inconsistent formation of countries rendering them as ineffectual units of "trials."
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
October 09 2008 02:34 GMT
#2384
On October 09 2008 11:30 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 10:11 ahrara_ wrote:
ultimately, i think evandi has a point

there are people in this thread who react wayyy too harshly to conservative opinions. the only thing that irked me about evandi was that he (and people who responded to him) focused so much on character and the who-said-what-when game. i really like savio's posts tho, because he tends to focus on content more.

anyway, i think we can all learn from this and be a little more tolerant of conservatives, and also spend less time on moot shit.

edit

does anyone else feel like every time a conservative starts posting he gets jumped in before being accepted by the thread. it's kind of ridiculous but also really funny.

fuck conservative opinions. forever crippled by myopia on vision and ideal in the grand scheme of things. even in specific instances where conservatives have been right, what is needed is not more conservatism but more refined policy responses from a vision that at least tries. i fail to see any redeeming feature in conservative ideology, especially given the meandering history of 'conservatism' as a token of political structure. give me an example of a conservative feature that is desirable or at any rate not entirely reprehensible in its own right. why would one want to be a conservative, and not merely a person who thinks "liberals" have some bad ideas and try to propose productive and humane alternatives.

and really, it is tiresome to repeat that political commentary is never neutral, especially meta perspectives like your post. you have not shown any reason as to why conservative opinions should be respected, and i suspect you've formed your political sympathies on too contemporary and narrow a range of readings. maybe look more into understanding theoretically the "liberal" positions and not merely see them as caricatures.

blah blah blah pastafarian blah blah myopia blah blah post-modern blah blah bigworditis blah blah blah

in summary:

SO TIRESOME blah blah
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 09 2008 02:35 GMT
#2385
There are actually perfectly good reasons to discount HDI or at least give the US a break, but evandi didn't cover them.
+ Show Spoiler +
Think Mexicans...
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-09 02:37:30
October 09 2008 02:36 GMT
#2386
altho frankly, that post of evandi's was magnificently retarded.

oneofthem fails at being a psuedo-moltke
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-09 02:39:41
October 09 2008 02:38 GMT
#2387
Most of them are retarded. He's ignoring context and everything else and just repeating everything that shows up in McCain ads. We all know the ad material from both sides is false.

Even these debates themselves shouldn't be taken that seriously.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 02:39 GMT
#2388
On October 09 2008 11:33 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 11:30 evandi wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:26 oneofthem wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:09 evandi wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:01 Doctorasul wrote:
It's your job to look for the appropriate studies to support your assertions, I don't have to do your homework for you.

Dismissing smaller countries as irrelevant is why you don't understand why they would overwhelmingly reject McCain. There's a strong correlation between how liberal and progressive a country is and how well they do in the rankings. Doesn't that give you pause when saying conservative politics are undoubtedly for the good of the country?


No, it is valid to dismiss small countries because statistically given purely random chance there are more chances to have a good result, and our country is near the top of most of those lists anyway.

Take the Olympics for instance. Small countries like to brag about the amount of medals per person.

Well, divide the US into 50 states and all of them together will be able give more athletes a chance while the same stars that did well in the normal Olympics will of course be there. More chances, more likely to get more golds, except in team sports.

Then add up what the 50 states got and it will probably be a bit higher than what the US got.

LOL

i wonder if you've made it out of high school. do you even know how this shit works?


Yes, I think I do.

any concrete political fact like "nordic countries have a high HDI" can be analyzed and given specific causes, no matter the "statistical chance," which is a bullcrap term here anyway given the inconsistent formation of countries rendering them as ineffectual units of "trials."


It isn't just Nordic Countries. I gave two reasons. 1 Is statistical and its not bullcrap, 2 is based on it being harder to manage a larger country, which is fricken obvious.
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 02:41 GMT
#2389
On October 09 2008 11:36 ahrara_ wrote:
altho frankly, that post of evandi's was magnificently retarded.

oneofthem fails at being a psuedo-moltke


No, it was true. Maybe you just don't know anything about statistics. If you split up the US into 50 nations, some would fair worse on the scale than others.

Obviously.

That is farking obvious.
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 02:42 GMT
#2390
On October 09 2008 11:35 Jibba wrote:
There are actually perfectly good reasons to discount HDI or at least give the US a break, but evandi didn't cover them.
+ Show Spoiler +
Think Mexicans...


Sweden has a fairly high number of immigrants.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-09 02:51:15
October 09 2008 02:49 GMT
#2391
Not at the same level and not nearly as diverse a group of people. Mexicans were just the big obvious example, but there's dozens more.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
October 09 2008 02:54 GMT
#2392
On October 09 2008 11:41 evandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 11:36 ahrara_ wrote:
altho frankly, that post of evandi's was magnificently retarded.

oneofthem fails at being a psuedo-moltke


No, it was true. Maybe you just don't know anything about statistics. If you split up the US into 50 nations, some would fair worse on the scale than others.

Obviously.

That is farking obvious.

no
i don't think you understand economics
or human compassion
or anything it seems like.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 02:58 GMT
#2393
On October 09 2008 11:54 ahrara_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2008 11:41 evandi wrote:
On October 09 2008 11:36 ahrara_ wrote:
altho frankly, that post of evandi's was magnificently retarded.

oneofthem fails at being a psuedo-moltke


No, it was true. Maybe you just don't know anything about statistics. If you split up the US into 50 nations, some would fair worse on the scale than others.

Obviously.

That is farking obvious.

no
i don't think you understand economics
or human compassion
or anything it seems like.


Alright,

1. The US statistics are an average of the state statistics weighted by population
2. When divided up, either all states will be exactly the same on the scale or they won't be
3. Its pretty unlikely that they will all be exactly the same and you know that they vary widely, so
4. Some states will be higher on the scale then others.
5. Since the US statistics are an average of the state statistics, if any of the states have different ratings on the scale, at least one of the States must be above the US rating.
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 03:02 GMT
#2394
For example. The average income in Alaska is about $60,000 while the US average is $45,000
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
October 09 2008 03:03 GMT
#2395
you are saying we should ignore countries with small populations?
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
October 09 2008 03:04 GMT
#2396
Want to see Sean Hanity get ass raped? This is great stuff.

Live to win.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 09 2008 03:04 GMT
#2397
It's still an invalid argument because the relationships between US states and D.C. is drastically different from EU states. The geographic size/location/population/ethnicities/etc. are all valid points, but most statistics (especially those by the UN) can be corrected for multiple agendas anyways. That said, I live pretty comfortably as is but I think my quality of life would go up in many ways if I lived in one of those top 10 countries.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 03:07 GMT
#2398
On October 09 2008 12:03 ahrara_ wrote:
you are saying we should ignore countries with small populations?


Not in general.
evandi
Profile Joined June 2008
United States266 Posts
October 09 2008 03:39 GMT
#2399
On October 09 2008 12:04 Jibba wrote:
It's still an invalid argument because the relationships between US states and D.C. is drastically different from EU states. The geographic size/location/population/ethnicities/etc. are all valid points, but most statistics (especially those by the UN) can be corrected for multiple agendas anyways. That said, I live pretty comfortably as is but I think my quality of life would go up in many ways if I lived in one of those top 10 countries.


Well, just consider the state that happens through chance to be the highest rated on the scale.

If it was its own country but had a free-trade relationship with all the other states, it couldn't be worse off.

How could it?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-09 04:09:51
October 09 2008 04:08 GMT
#2400
[image loading]

I understand, little buddy.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
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