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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
April 14 2008 18:51 GMT
#1061
That's sort of the point. True or not, spitting in the face of the people you need to vote for you is a bad political strategy.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 19:18:00
April 14 2008 19:15 GMT
#1062
It's the elites themselves that are jumping on it, not the "small town folks", and the media never second guessed the criticism. The Clintons have had personal servants for a good 20 years now, the Obamas just finished paying off student loans.

The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
April 14 2008 19:26 GMT
#1063
We don't know how the small town folks feel for sure until a few days when the latest post-bitter polls come out. They aren't on TV like the talking heads. This first ARG poll out looks really bad for Obama though. In addition to his comments the poll shows a lot of voters are turned off by the mass of advertising Obama has deluged them with.

Here's an LA Times article citing the ARG poll and giving a bit of space to the over-advertising
Link


Obama is still a clear, overwhelming in my opinion, favorite to win the Democratic nomination but I believe he cost himself a chance at winning Pennsylvania last week. Considering all the media stories about how Clinton must win Pennsylvania or the superdelegates will start jumping ship en masse that's quite a big deal. Obama may be able to turn the tables with a great debate performance, but this unfortunate slip-up has made it much more difficult for him to win in Penn.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 15 2008 05:05 GMT
#1064
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

not reflected in the gallup
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 15 2008 05:19 GMT
#1065
Obama shot back today. His response for it during the Faith and Politics Forum last was a hefty serving of bullshit though.

In more pressing news:
The exact cause of Braxton's chest pain hasn't been made public. She has been treated in the past for pericarditis, a viral inflammation of the heart.

Braxton is a six-time Grammy winner for songs including "Un-break My Heart."
:D
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 15:23:17
April 15 2008 15:14 GMT
#1066
From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

PHILADELPHIA -- Hillary Clinton was forced to cut her normal stump speech short when a chatty and meddlesome crowd kept her from grasping their attention. Clinton, who was addressing the Philadelphia County Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, spoke for just over five minutes, despite having the press arrive almost two hours beforehand.




:O

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PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – On Monday, with the Pennsylvania primary just days away, Hillary Clinton continued to hammer Barack Obama over his comments that small town Americans "cling to guns or religion" because they are "bitter."

But the audience at a forum put on by the Alliance for American Manufacturing didn't appreciate her line of attack.

"I understand my opponent came this morning and spent a lot of his time attacking me," she said at the beginning of her remarks here.

Many in the crowd responded with audible groans, and a few shouted, "No!"

Obama spoke to the same forum earlier in the morning and ribbed Clinton for doing a shot of whiskey in front of TV cameras on Saturday in Indiana.

Clinton continued, "I know that many of you, like me, were disappointed by the recent remarks he made."

This time, a louder, sustained chorus of "No!" emanated from the audience. Clinton soldiered on.

"I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive," she said.

This time, a smaller smattering of jeers.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 15 2008 15:50 GMT
#1067
On April 15 2008 04:26 NovaTheFeared wrote:
We don't know how the small town folks feel for sure until a few days when the latest post-bitter polls come out. They aren't on TV like the talking heads. This first ARG poll out looks really bad for Obama though. In addition to his comments the poll shows a lot of voters are turned off by the mass of advertising Obama has deluged them with.

Here's an LA Times article citing the ARG poll and giving a bit of space to the over-advertising
Link


Obama is still a clear, overwhelming in my opinion, favorite to win the Democratic nomination but I believe he cost himself a chance at winning Pennsylvania last week. Considering all the media stories about how Clinton must win Pennsylvania or the superdelegates will start jumping ship en masse that's quite a big deal. Obama may be able to turn the tables with a great debate performance, but this unfortunate slip-up has made it much more difficult for him to win in Penn.


About the ARG Poll:
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/is-clintons-pennsylvania-lead-really-20-points-319/?mod=WSJBlog

Also, "And, as I wrote last month, the widely tracked polling averages at the political Web site Real Clear Politics don’t include ARG numbers, because of concerns about transparency."

Real Clear Politics has her ahead by only 3 points.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
April 15 2008 19:05 GMT
#1068
First, the Gallup poll is a national poll not reflective of the upcoming contest. His chances in the national Democratic primary are likely unaffected. Why would his comments hurt him in CA? They wouldn't, that's why he was said them to millionaires in San Francisco and not on the stump in Pennsylvania. There are more culturally conservative Democrats in Pennsylvania and that's why his comments may hurt him in this latest race.

Secondly, I agree with RCP that ARG is among the worst polling outfits out there and am glad they remove them from rolling averages. However, as I also said many of the big names haven't weighed in with post-bitter polls. Noone thinks Obama helped himself at that fundraiser in SF, the only question is whether it will affect the bottom line in a small way, a great way, or not at all. This is what I see at RCP now:

Pennsylvania Obama 40.5 - Clinton 48.2 Clinton +7.7

Rolling average polls are best for long term (in politics at least!) trends and don't take quick account of changing events. Nor does an anecdotal report of some Obama supporters jeering Clinton at a campaign event.

He'll still win the nomination, but if I'm reading the polls right he just lost Pennsylvania.

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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
April 15 2008 19:31 GMT
#1069
i can see how losing the big states now will hurt obama come national election time, but hopefully those that are voting for hillary now will see the error of their ways by that time =]
LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
April 15 2008 19:32 GMT
#1070
On April 15 2008 04:15 Jibba wrote:
It's the elites themselves that are jumping on it, not the "small town folks", and the media never second guessed the criticism. The Clintons have had personal servants for a good 20 years now, the Obamas just finished paying off student loans.

The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education.


Being elitist has nothing to do with your status, upbringing, money, etc. It's how you act and think about yourself and others.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 15 2008 22:46 GMT
#1071
It's by how much he loses Pennsylvania that matters to most Democrats.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 23:29:45
April 15 2008 23:20 GMT
#1072
On April 16 2008 04:32 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2008 04:15 Jibba wrote:
It's the elites themselves that are jumping on it, not the "small town folks", and the media never second guessed the criticism. The Clintons have had personal servants for a good 20 years now, the Obamas just finished paying off student loans.

The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education.


Being elitist has nothing to do with your status, upbringing, money, etc. It's how you act and think about yourself and others.

Disagree. I think being an elitist is about your actions and background, but being correct shouldn't be classified as elitist.

Anyways, LA Times/Bloomberg poll:
PA - 46% Clinton 41% Obama
IN - 35% Clinton 40% Obama
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 16 2008 17:53 GMT
#1073
Three days' worth of polling after the news broke that Sen. Barack Obama said some small-town voters are "bitter," he has edged out to his largest lead yet in Gallup's daily national tracking survey.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/obama-moves-to.html
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PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5070 Posts
April 18 2008 04:02 GMT
#1074
wow i haven't seen the Colbert Report in a while but I'm glad I saw it tonight. Hilarious episode, had cameos from Obama, Clinton, and John Edwards. Obama and Edwards' bits had me rolling, and Clinton was pretty lame and boring. Overall awesome episode, anyone else catch it?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 18 2008 04:03 GMT
#1075
Aha, yes. :D

"Grizzly bears are the number one threat to America" - Barack Obama
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 04:12:25
April 18 2008 04:10 GMT
#1076
The episode is here for canadians:
edit: yesterdays episode

I'll link it when it goes up
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LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
April 18 2008 04:19 GMT
#1077
On April 16 2008 08:20 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2008 04:32 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On April 15 2008 04:15 Jibba wrote:
It's the elites themselves that are jumping on it, not the "small town folks", and the media never second guessed the criticism. The Clintons have had personal servants for a good 20 years now, the Obamas just finished paying off student loans.

The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education.


Being elitist has nothing to do with your status, upbringing, money, etc. It's how you act and think about yourself and others.

Disagree. I think being an elitist is about your actions and background, but being correct shouldn't be classified as elitist.

Anyways, LA Times/Bloomberg poll:
PA - 46% Clinton 41% Obama
IN - 35% Clinton 40% Obama


If you think most people choose their religion and their stance on gun rights out of bitterness, you really are incredibly ignorant. Clearly everyone who supports gun rights and is devoutly religious is also unemployed.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 18 2008 04:25 GMT
#1078
thats not what it was about

it was about gun rights and religion becoming primary political issues instead of the economy and other pressing things because people had lost faith in their government....those social issues are sort of a last refuge of political clout when serious problems cant be changed by the people
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-18 04:47:49
April 18 2008 04:47 GMT
#1079
On April 18 2008 13:25 fusionsdf wrote:
thats not what it was about

it was about gun rights and religion becoming primary political issues instead of the economy and other pressing things because people had lost faith in their government....those social issues are sort of a last refuge of political clout when serious problems cant be changed by the people

Yep, not to mention xenophobia of foreigners taking "our" jobs and plenty of other symptoms of anomie.

And yes, I do think extreme evangelicalism is largely a byproduct of economic dissatisfaction. It wouldn't be the first time fundamentalism has followed that either.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 18 2008 14:59 GMT
#1080
Ongoing nomination fight hurting Clinton more than Obama

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According to the AP article.
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