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NovaTheFeared
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Jibba
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The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7231 Posts
Here's an LA Times article citing the ARG poll and giving a bit of space to the over-advertising Link Obama is still a clear, overwhelming in my opinion, favorite to win the Democratic nomination but I believe he cost himself a chance at winning Pennsylvania last week. Considering all the media stories about how Clinton must win Pennsylvania or the superdelegates will start jumping ship en masse that's quite a big deal. Obama may be able to turn the tables with a great debate performance, but this unfortunate slip-up has made it much more difficult for him to win in Penn. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
not reflected in the gallup | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
In more pressing news: The exact cause of Braxton's chest pain hasn't been made public. She has been treated in the past for pericarditis, a viral inflammation of the heart. :DBraxton is a six-time Grammy winner for songs including "Un-break My Heart." | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
PHILADELPHIA -- Hillary Clinton was forced to cut her normal stump speech short when a chatty and meddlesome crowd kept her from grasping their attention. Clinton, who was addressing the Philadelphia County Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, spoke for just over five minutes, despite having the press arrive almost two hours beforehand. :O -------------------------------- PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania (CNN) – On Monday, with the Pennsylvania primary just days away, Hillary Clinton continued to hammer Barack Obama over his comments that small town Americans "cling to guns or religion" because they are "bitter." But the audience at a forum put on by the Alliance for American Manufacturing didn't appreciate her line of attack. "I understand my opponent came this morning and spent a lot of his time attacking me," she said at the beginning of her remarks here. Many in the crowd responded with audible groans, and a few shouted, "No!" Obama spoke to the same forum earlier in the morning and ribbed Clinton for doing a shot of whiskey in front of TV cameras on Saturday in Indiana. Clinton continued, "I know that many of you, like me, were disappointed by the recent remarks he made." This time, a louder, sustained chorus of "No!" emanated from the audience. Clinton soldiered on. "I am well aware that at a fundraiser in San Francisco he said some things that many people in Pennsylvania and beyond Pennsylvania have found offensive," she said. This time, a smaller smattering of jeers. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On April 15 2008 04:26 NovaTheFeared wrote: We don't know how the small town folks feel for sure until a few days when the latest post-bitter polls come out. They aren't on TV like the talking heads. This first ARG poll out looks really bad for Obama though. In addition to his comments the poll shows a lot of voters are turned off by the mass of advertising Obama has deluged them with. Here's an LA Times article citing the ARG poll and giving a bit of space to the over-advertising Link Obama is still a clear, overwhelming in my opinion, favorite to win the Democratic nomination but I believe he cost himself a chance at winning Pennsylvania last week. Considering all the media stories about how Clinton must win Pennsylvania or the superdelegates will start jumping ship en masse that's quite a big deal. Obama may be able to turn the tables with a great debate performance, but this unfortunate slip-up has made it much more difficult for him to win in Penn. About the ARG Poll: http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/is-clintons-pennsylvania-lead-really-20-points-319/?mod=WSJBlog Also, "And, as I wrote last month, the widely tracked polling averages at the political Web site Real Clear Politics don’t include ARG numbers, because of concerns about transparency." Real Clear Politics has her ahead by only 3 points. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7231 Posts
Secondly, I agree with RCP that ARG is among the worst polling outfits out there and am glad they remove them from rolling averages. However, as I also said many of the big names haven't weighed in with post-bitter polls. Noone thinks Obama helped himself at that fundraiser in SF, the only question is whether it will affect the bottom line in a small way, a great way, or not at all. This is what I see at RCP now: Pennsylvania Obama 40.5 - Clinton 48.2 Clinton +7.7 Rolling average polls are best for long term (in politics at least!) trends and don't take quick account of changing events. Nor does an anecdotal report of some Obama supporters jeering Clinton at a campaign event.  He'll still win the nomination, but if I'm reading the polls right he just lost Pennsylvania. | ||
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tiffany
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LonelyMargarita
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On April 15 2008 04:15 Jibba wrote: It's the elites themselves that are jumping on it, not the "small town folks", and the media never second guessed the criticism. The Clintons have had personal servants for a good 20 years now, the Obamas just finished paying off student loans. The candidates can spin it however they'd like, but the media should have SOMEONE who remembers their college education. Being elitist has nothing to do with your status, upbringing, money, etc. It's how you act and think about yourself and others. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 16 2008 04:32 LonelyMargarita wrote: Being elitist has nothing to do with your status, upbringing, money, etc. It's how you act and think about yourself and others. Disagree. I think being an elitist is about your actions and background, but being correct shouldn't be classified as elitist. Anyways, LA Times/Bloomberg poll: PA - 46% Clinton 41% Obama IN - 35% Clinton 40% Obama | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/04/obama-moves-to.html | ||
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PanoRaMa
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
"Grizzly bears are the number one threat to America" - Barack Obama | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
edit: yesterdays episode  I'll link it when it goes up | ||
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LonelyMargarita
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On April 16 2008 08:20 Jibba wrote: Disagree. I think being an elitist is about your actions and background, but being correct shouldn't be classified as elitist. Anyways, LA Times/Bloomberg poll: PA - 46% Clinton 41% Obama IN - 35% Clinton 40% Obama If you think most people choose their religion and their stance on gun rights out of bitterness, you really are incredibly ignorant. Clearly everyone who supports gun rights and is devoutly religious is also unemployed. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
it was about gun rights and religion becoming primary political issues instead of the economy and other pressing things because people had lost faith in their government....those social issues are sort of a last refuge of political clout when serious problems cant be changed by the people | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 18 2008 13:25 fusionsdf wrote: thats not what it was about it was about gun rights and religion becoming primary political issues instead of the economy and other pressing things because people had lost faith in their government....those social issues are sort of a last refuge of political clout when serious problems cant be changed by the people Yep, not to mention xenophobia of foreigners taking "our" jobs and plenty of other symptoms of anomie. And yes, I do think extreme evangelicalism is largely a byproduct of economic dissatisfaction. It wouldn't be the first time fundamentalism has followed that either. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
![[image loading]](http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/ww/news/2008/04/17/ap_polls_graphic_gainsshort.jpg) According to the AP article. | ||
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